Question How much Price drop will we see on current video cards, with the new cards coming out.

[Papagayo]

Waiting for prices to drop on current or last year's model.. I assume prices will drop by 25-50%..

 

[Papagayo]

- You could say the same about the 2080Ti. It may have more RAM than the 3070, but its also a 2 year old release The entire RTX 2xxx line-up just got crushed into the sub-$500 bracket.

I agree.. Pretty excited..

 

[simas]

Where are you seeing 2080ti for $500CDN used? I'd jump on one at that price considering 3080 will probably be around $950CDN and the 3090 will be $1800 or so.

Once the dust settles and 3070 is out, I could see it going that low. Right now on ebay they are around $700-$800 with bids on them.

and even that is uncertain
- what would be the real performance of 3070 cards (not sherry picked 'stats' from Nvidia) in the games you actually play ? Who cares about 4k performance in fantasy conditions on games that does not exist yet with use of technology not implemented in something you can actually play with ?
- what would the availability and therefore the prices be on them?
- what would the quality of the drivers would be (also connected to performance)

in short, what is the rush right now??
- wait to see what the actual performance be in the games that matter to you at resolutions and bottlenecks that matter to you
- wait to see what the actual pricing would be
- wait and see what the actual power consumption would be

I am completely ok with someone else paying the early adopter tax.
I also do not see 'must have' game that only exists on PC and would massively benefit from having this new gen cards.

 

[Grooveriding]

I'm pretty confident these new cards are going to be the huge performance improvement they're being claimed to be. The 2XXX series cards brought nothing performance wise over 1080ti, except for 2080ti with about 35%? and over twice the price. There is a lot of room for these cards to be 70% faster than what they replace.

And the RTX 2XXX series will drop massively in price. They already have, I just think the ceiling - which will be the 2080ti - will not be hitting $500 CDN until the 3070 is out.

 

[mohit9206]

I think AMD is waiting on 3070 reviews before announcing a price cut on 5700XT

 

[Guru]

Most people don't even know the 3000 series exist yet, in fact it won't be until they are in stores and etailers that people know about them, and that is when prices are going to fall significantly. Another price drop will happen when next gen consoles release in November and another one when AMD releases their next gen RX 6000 series GPU's.

So expect to see an initial price drop of used cards of about 15-25% with prices dropping as much as 50% in 2021 when we have good availability on RTX 3000, RX 6000 and next gen consoles.

I expect you to be able to find a RX 5700xt for $200 or RTX 2070s for $220 in 2021. If the RTX 2070 for $500 is as fast as the RTX 2080ti, then the upcoming RTX 3060 is likely going to be as fast as the RTX 2080s for likely $350 and a more realistic mid range card in the RTX 3050 being as fast as the RTX 2060s for just $250.

 

[eek2121]

I fully expect RDNA cards to tank hard though. Lack of the RT acceleration found in the consoles is going to age them very quickly overnight.

I wonder if I should flip my 5700xt now? If I could get $300+ locally for it, that would put me in position for whatever we get in the $400-$500 range and I am drawing near to a year of use on it. $5 per month to have it seems reasonable. I could see it going to sub $200 fast, easily, in a few weeks - but if it's a few months I like having it now

I expect the used market in general will tank considerably. A combination of excess supply and kneecapped demand. I kind of wish I had sold my 1080ti, but it’s been a good card. I will probably put it in my wife’s system.

The new card market will be interesting to watch as well.

 

[Kenmitch]

Most people don't even know the 3000 series exist yet, in fact it won't be until they are in stores and etailers that people know about them, and that is when prices are going to fall significantly. Another price drop will happen when next gen consoles release in November and another one when AMD releases their next gen RX 6000 series GPU's.

So expect to see an initial price drop of used cards of about 15-25% with prices dropping as much as 50% in 2021 when we have good availability on RTX 3000, RX 6000 and next gen consoles.

I expect you to be able to find a RX 5700xt for $200 or RTX 2070s for $220 in 2021. If the RTX 2070 for $500 is as fast as the RTX 2080ti, then the upcoming RTX 3060 is likely going to be as fast as the RTX 2080s for likely $350 and a more realistic mid range card in the RTX 3050 being as fast as the RTX 2060s for just $250.

AMD's RX 5700(XT) cards could get refueled in flight due to the miners. Viewing eBay currently it seems like a lot of the used ones are close to MSRP.

Viewing the RTX's on eBay isn't pretty!

I got my RX 5700 for $300.00 at launch. I could literally pay somebody $300 to take it off my hands and I'd still be ahead of the unfortunate 2080Ti guys.....PUN intended

 

[alexruiz]

I personally do NOT believe the Navi based video cards will drop THAT much.
I also believe that the floor for competent GPUs is around $100, so you have to squeeze downward without going past $100.

Yes, the RTX 3070 will be $500 and faster than RTX 2080 Ti. However, with Turing supply drying out, what is nVidia going to sell in the <$500 market?
Even if the supply of existing Turing based products stays healthy, I don't think they won't drop too much. The market under $500 has to be covered.

My speculation:
RTX 2080 Super, IF still available: $400
RTX 2070 Super, IF still available: $350
RX 5700 XT: $300. If no Turing based products available, then $350.
RTX 2060 Super, IF still available: $300
RX 5700: $260. If no Turing based products available, then $300.
RX 5600 XT: $220. If no Turing based products available, then $250.
RTX 2060, IF still available: $250
GTX 1660 Super: $200
RX 5500 XT 8GB: $160
GTX 1650 Super: $140
RX 5500 XT 4GB: $130

Prices are for NEW parts.
Until the smaller Ampere chips and/or RDNA2 launch, the cards between $100 and $300 won't shift that much.
A big IF here is how crazy the used market goes.

Price / performance doesn't scale linearly, so some cards are more expensive per fps compared to the RTX 3070 $500 price point. However, a $150-$200 savings might be enough to sway the needle that way.
The RX 5700 XT at $300-$350 still has a decent price/fps compared to a RTX 3070. The higher end parts gets more desirable as they are faster and offer better $/fps ration, but still, there are price gaps that not every gamer will justify for making the jump.

Alex
ps. Would love to be wrong and indeed being able to grab a RX 5700 XT for $200

 

[Papagayo]

I would predict that most vendors will be selling all their stocked items 20-30% off very soon.. Get ready to shop..

 

[Kingmer]

Honestly, if everything is true about the 3070, I don't want used anything, (To me), you almost couldn't price a 2080ti low enough for me to want it...lets see, slower ram (even if more), demonstratably worse silicon process, hotter, less efficient, and on and on, also looks like zotac is planning a 3070 mini-itx, so better than 2080ti performance in a sff, nice! I understand than some people would find $400 forva used 2080ti a bargain, and if that is your thing have at it (making sure I don't sound like I am crapping on anybody, as I am most certainly not, to each their own). For the price of an upper/decent steak dinner I will take new

 

[VirtualLarry]

Now I'm thinking that I made a mistake(*), in getting my friend a GTX 1660 ti 6GB GDDR6 card to upgrade his GTX 1650 4GB GDDR5 card (the GTX 1650 came free with the PC I gave him, I was going to ask him to pay for the GTX 1660 ti, and that way, we/he could put the GTX 1650 into his prior PC, that has a GTX 1050 2GB GDDR5 with bad fans, supposedly).

I just ordered a 32" 1440P 144Hz monitor for him, it was (relative to other name brands) "cheap", hopefully it's decent. It's a Westinghouse, not the first name that you think of when you think "gaming monitor", but I had a Westinghouse LCD TV 32" for like 10 years, it was a champ. So I think that they're budget, but alright.

Anyways, getting an Ampere RTX 3060 or 3070 might be best longer-term for him, although the base platform should probably be upgraded in a year or two from an i5-6500 / 16GB DDR4, to something Zen2/Zen3-based, with at least 8 real cores, to prepare for PS5 ports.

I guess one solution, would be to have him pay me for the GTX 1660 ti in the near term, but then have a standing offer to buy it back off of him, longer-term, as long as it was still in working shape, for then-market-value, in order for him to upgrade to an Ampere card.

I think that would be pretty fair.

Otherwise, he's going to have to wait until Oct/Nov (rumored?) for RTX 3050 / 3060 to debut, in order to get full usage out of his shiny new monitor (when it arrives). I would like him to be able to really use it and try it out, and see how he likes Fortnite @ 1440P / 144Hz, etc. As well as possibly get RDR2 and try it in 1440P glory.

I'm already @ 4K UHD 60Hz, otherwise I would have kept that monitor for myself. I don't really have a "4K gaming card", I have an RX 5700 as primary. I mostly just mine on it though.

(*) In timing and pricing. So close to Ampere, and there were a couple of RTX 2080 cards in the FS forum for $450 and $400 recently. If I hadn't spent $100 on a GTX 1060 6GB, and $280 on a GTX 1660 ti (if I had planned ahead better), I could have affording a (used) RTX 2080 for my friend, which arguably would have been WAY better for 1440P / 144Hz gaming. Then again, if Ampere is so much better, it would have been foolish to buy a "loud, hot" RTX 2080, even for a great price. Kind of like buying an R9 290X when RX 570 is on the market.

 

[blckgrffn]

Now I'm thinking that I made a mistake(*), in getting my friend a GTX 1660 ti 6GB GDDR6 card to upgrade his GTX 1650 4GB GDDR5 card (the GTX 1650 came free with the PC I gave him, I was going to ask him to pay for the GTX 1660 ti, and that way, we/he could put the GTX 1650 into his prior PC, that has a GTX 1050 2GB GDDR5 with bad fans, supposedly).

I just ordered a 32" 1440P 144Hz monitor for him, it was (relative to other name brands) "cheap", hopefully it's decent. It's a Westinghouse, not the first name that you think of when you think "gaming monitor", but I had a Westinghouse LCD TV 32" for like 10 years, it was a champ. So I think that they're budget, but alright.

Anyways, getting an Ampere RTX 3060 or 3070 might be best longer-term for him, although the base platform should probably be upgraded in a year or two from an i5-6500 / 16GB DDR4, to something Zen2/Zen3-based, with at least 8 real cores, to prepare for PS5 ports.

I guess one solution, would be to have him pay me for the GTX 1660 ti in the near term, but then have a standing offer to buy it back off of him, longer-term, as long as it was still in working shape, for then-market-value, in order for him to upgrade to an Ampere card.

I think that would be pretty fair.

Otherwise, he's going to have to wait until Oct/Nov (rumored?) for RTX 3050 / 3060 to debut, in order to get full usage out of his shiny new monitor (when it arrives). I would like him to be able to really use it and try it out, and see how he likes Fortnite @ 1440P / 144Hz, etc. As well as possibly get RDR2 and try it in 1440P glory.

I'm already @ 4K UHD 60Hz, otherwise I would have kept that monitor for myself. I don't really have a "4K gaming card", I have an RX 5700 as primary. I mostly just mine on it though.

(*) In timing and pricing. So close to Ampere, and there were a couple of RTX 2080 cards in the FS forum for $450 and $400 recently. If I hadn't spent $100 on a GTX 1060 6GB, and $280 on a GTX 1660 ti (if I had planned ahead better), I could have affording a (used) RTX 2080 for my friend, which arguably would have been WAY better for 1440P / 144Hz gaming. Then again, if Ampere is so much better, it would have been foolish to buy a "loud, hot" RTX 2080, even for a great price. Kind of like buying an R9 290X when RX 570 is on the market.

Haha, Larry, you are way overthinking it for your friend They should be happy they have such good buddy setting up their stuff, and if you don't tell them "how bad they got it" odds are they *might* be very happy with what they have. And that happiness is really the goal, right?

He got what was solid for the time. That's just what it is.

The 2080s aren't really "hot and loud" compared to the new parts, especially the non-ti versions. Their TDPs are low compared to the inbound cards and they are typically well built.

The reason I think the floor might fall out on the RDNA v1 cards is their complete lack of support for RT and all that other stuff in DX12 Ultimate. Theoretically some of these features could be enabled and run on sub-optimal hardware, but at what performance cost?

I expect RNDA v1 as a product line will sunset nearly immediately after RDNA2 launches. I don't think AMD is going to drag it out like they have Polaris and the GCN architecture stuff.

If miners keep the secondary market propped up, all the better for me I guess.

 

[Chrhun]

I've seen 1080 and 2080/ti card going really cheap on the local forums lately, there are many wanting the new ones and are desperate to sell the old one asap. That's maybe not reflecting the right prices for these products, especially at the lower end like 2060 where no immediate pricepoint challenger is yet launced.

I only got back into gaming two years ago (kids and all that) and went with the 2080, cheap Gainward card at 600usd. If I now get 300usd for it I think it's fine, only 150usd per year for great gaming. My son has a 1070ti in his computer, I think with that kind of 2080 price I will rather put the card in his system and sell the 1070ti. My son has a nice 1440p 165Hz monitor, the 2080 will be signifanctly better for that.

I will be getting the 3080, at bit more than what I paid for the 2080 so I guess the drop in two years will be larger, but... life is.

 

[blckgrffn]

I've seen 1080 and 2080/ti card going really cheap on the local forums lately, there are many wanting the new ones and are desperate to sell the old one asap. That's maybe not reflecting the right prices for these products, especially at the lower end like 2060 where no immediate pricepoint challenger is yet launced.

I only got back into gaming two years ago (kids and all that) and went with the 2080, cheap Gainward card at 600usd. If I now get 300usd for it I think it's fine, only 150usd per year for great gaming. My son has a 1070ti in his computer, I think with that kind of 2080 price I will rather put the card in his system and sell the 1070ti. My son has a nice 1440p 165Hz monitor, the 2080 will be signifanctly better for that.

I will be getting the 3080, at bit more than what I paid for the 2080 so I guess the drop in two years will be larger, but... life is.

Lucky kid. I plan on my kiddo getting my 5700xt, his RX 470 goes to my daughter. It's nice to get more use out of these things.

I don't know what you paid for the 1070 ti, but I bet it is the better value play to sell now between the two.

And if the RTX/RT stuff really takes off your kid is set - if a 2080 can't use it there are a lot of RTX cards left in dust!

 

[Chrhun]

Thanks, I also do realize my son is lucky in this regard.

Your are correct that the 1070ti has a bit better value in it's price point left. I could have gotten 150-200usd more selling the 2080 (which is not very much actually), but I'm fine losing that and having a nice card in my son's pc too. His Ryzen 5 3600 and the 2080 should be fine for a few years... Once I upgrade again.

 

[gorobei]

ebay prices are around $600-700 on 2080ti. i cant imagine being one of those nv owners who have to constantly monitor the next gen leaks in order to time when to sell their top end cards to not lose too much money on the trade in.

 

[Papagayo]

ebay prices are around $600-700 on 2080ti. i cant imagine being one of those nv owners who have to constantly monitor the next gen leaks in order to time when to sell their top end cards to not lose too much money on the trade in.

It amazes me.. Knowing by end of this month.. There is a new card that can potentially outperform the 2080Ti for $500 price range..

 

[Markfw]

It amazes me.. Knowing by end of this month.. There is a new card that can potentially outperform the 2080Ti for $500 price range..

I did "best offer" on a $650 card, and added the comment that in one month, $500 cards would beat it, and offered $400. It was turned down immediately. I guess I will have to wait.

 

[Kenmitch]

I did "best offer" on a $650 card, and added the comment that in one month, $500 cards would beat it, and offered $400. It was turned down immediately. I guess I will have to wait.

If you threw salt in my wounds I'd reject you too.

 

[ElFenix]

I did "best offer" on a $650 card, and added the comment that in one month, $500 cards would beat it, and offered $400. It was turned down immediately. I guess I will have to wait.

there's really no reason to accept your $400. that'll be available next month and the month after that. some sucker might actually buy it for $650.

 

[Markfw]

there's really no reason to accept your $400. that'll be available next month and the month after that. some sucker might actually buy it for $650.

I know, just trying.... Just saying from some comments that they are not that bad now.

Of course I have 5 of them, and the cheapest was $1000, but that was 2 years ago.

 

[blckgrffn]

I know, just trying.... Just saying from some comments that they are not that bad now.

Of course I have 5 of them, and the cheapest was $1000, but that was 2 years ago.

It will be interesting to see if Ampere desktop cards deliver much more compute per watt compared to Turing. I know that you are power restricted as much as anything else, so I'll be watching your sig for changes as results speak for themselves

 

[Markfw]

It will be interesting to see if Ampere desktop cards deliver much more compute per watt compared to Turing. I know that you are power restricted as much as anything else, so I'll be watching your sig for changes as results speak for themselves

Well, due to the heat, I am temperature constrained at the minute. Everybody in my family is under level 1,2 or level 3 evac orders, its windy and hot here. Half of the northwest is on fire.

 

[blckgrffn]

Well, due to the heat, I am temperature constrained at the minute. Everybody in my family is under level 1,2 or level 3 evac orders, its windy and hot here. Half of the northwest is on fire.

Oh man. What a year. I guess your wallet is safer for now 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

 

[Kingmer]

I did "best offer" on a $650 card, and added the comment that in one month, $500 cards would beat it, and offered $400. It was turned down immediately. I guess I will have to wait.

Why would you even want it for $400 - sure you get more (much slower) memory, but it appears that only a very few games benefit right now - so for $100 more, you get a new card, full warranty, faster card, demonstratably better Samsung vs TSMC silicon, better power efficiency and you know for certain that someones grubby little hands didn't ESD it.