How much power is enough?

TahoeDust

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I am about to order the last parts to finish my first "quasi-high end" intel build and am going to need a new PSU. I don't really trust the online PSU calculators and was wondering if you guys could tell me how much power you think I need.

i7 2700k
p8z68 deluxe
Sapphire HD 6950
16gb 2133 DDR3
OCZ Vertex 3 SSD
2 x 2tb 7200 Sata II HDD
BD Optical Drive

Can anyone recommend something modular that won't break the bank?
 
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BoomerD

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According to this:

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Even running Furmark, your system should only draw about 320 watts...or just under 300 watts running Crysis.

Personally, I wouldn't go with anything less than about 500 watts, and I would buy a quality power supply from Corsair, XFX, or Seasonic...and even from Antec.

FWIW, this PSU calculator:
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
is pretty good. Still usually rates the system as needing a bit more than actual, but it's closer than most.
 

TahoeDust

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Thanks for that good information. If I wanted to leave room for the possibility of going SLI/Crossfire in the future would a quality 650w be enough?
 

pandemonium

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650W should be enough. My overclocked Q9400 and CFx'd HD6870s peak at 425W on the old version of Corsair's 650W, which is modular and not extremely expensive. Probably the right price that you'll be expecting to pay for a quality PSU in that power range.
 

BoomerD

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Thanks for that good information. If I wanted to leave room for the possibility of going SLI/Crossfire in the future would a quality 650w be enough?

Yes. IMO, that's a bit closer to the rated capacity of the PSU than I care for, but it'll be fine.

The graphic I posted says the system requirement for the 6950 in CF is 509 watts...and IIRC, that's measured at the wall, so the actual power draw will be 15-20% lower.
 

TemjinGold

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Not sure why you're concerned about getting a PSU that wont "break the bank" when you have no problem paying for 2700K ($40 more for 100MHz more compared to 2600K) and 2133MHz RAM (twice the price of 1600Mhz), and P8Z68-V Deluxe ($100 more than the standard P8Z68-V).

Regardless... here: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62224&vpn=P1750BNLG9&manufacture=XFX

Seriously OP, why are you spending extra on marginal "improvements," then skimping on the PSU? That's the MOST important part of a solid build.
 

TahoeDust

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I do not mind spending what it takes for a quality PSU. I just did not want to overpay for more than I need. Newegg has 16g of Ripjaw X 2133 onsale for $120. I thought it may be worth the $30 more than the 1600. Also, I was going to buy a 2600k but managed to scored the 2700k for $290. How could I pass that up?
 

izzy808

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there's always room for extra power. don't try to save money on a PSU.

get Corsair's 750TX or better yet get their 800W model. or some 1000W by another brand.

spending more than $100 on a quality PSU is much cheaper than killing your computer's components with bad power.
 

lehtv

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I do not mind spending what it takes for a quality PSU. I just did not want to overpay for more than I need. Newegg has 16g of Ripjaw X 2133 onsale for $120. I thought it may be worth the $30 more than the 1600. Also, I was going to buy a 2600k but managed to scored the 2700k for $290. How could I pass that up?

1600MHz 2x4GB ripjaws is currently on sale for $30, so you actually paid $60 more for 16GB 2133. 2700K for $290 is pretty nice though - however was the 2600K cheaper at that time? The 100MHz difference between those is rectified by just increasing the multiplier by 1...

izzy808 said:
spending more than $100 on a quality PSU is much cheaper than killing your computer's components with bad power.

Spending $50 on a quality PSU is even cheaper
 

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Get a decent psu with a plenty of overhead in case you want to go sli/overclock/put a hex core cpu and overclock it in that mobo etc. Don't save on the psu get a really decent solid one the best you can afford (seasonic/enermax/corsair with a 5 or 7 year warranty) then you won't need to buy another. I'd go minimum 750watt and would figure on getting sufficient for at least 2 6950's highly overclocked AND an overclocked 6 core cpu (they may well be cheap in 18 months). Don't buy an interim solution buy a lifetime one, psu's and cases are THE most future proof components. If its a case of another $50 get a corsair 850W then you'll be set.
 

TahoeDust

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1600MHz 2x4GB ripjaws is currently on sale for $30, so you actually paid $60 more for 16GB 2133. 2700K for $290 is pretty nice though - however was the 2600K cheaper at that time? The 100MHz difference between those is rectified by just increasing the multiplier by 1...



Spending $50 on a quality PSU is even cheaper

I have not hit the checkout button yet, so I may just grab that 1600Mhz ripjaw...that is a smoking deal I had not seen. Thanks.

The deal on the 2700k was a lucky one and it ended up being cheaper than the 2600k in this instance.

I think I am just going to go with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341052 How do you think that will work?
 

TemjinGold

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LOL @ the people telling OP to get 1000w...

Why stop there? Go recommend the 1500w. That would be EVEN safer!
 

oynaz

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there's always room for extra power. don't try to save money on a PSU.

get Corsair's 750TX or better yet get their 800W model. or some 1000W by another brand.

spending more than $100 on a quality PSU is much cheaper than killing your computer's components with bad power.

That's stupid. A quality PSU, definitely, but a more powerful PSU just because is a pointless waste of money.
 

eztarget

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If you plan on putting two video cards in there I'd go with 700-800W otherwise it's a waste.

He's a neat trick. Go to a site like cyberpowerpc.com and "build" your system in one of their customize deals. If you look on the left side there's a little picture of the power supply. Add and subtract what you think you'll be putting in your system (or future expansion) and as long as the power supply picture stays GREEN you have enough power. If you put too much in the picture will turn Yellow or RED. Keep it Green!

Two GPU's usually push you to 800W or better.
 

BoomerD

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I have not hit the checkout button yet, so I may just grab that 1600Mhz ripjaw...that is a smoking deal I had not seen. Thanks.

The deal on the 2700k was a lucky one and it ended up being cheaper than the 2600k in this instance.

I think I am just going to go with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341052 How do you think that will work?

OCZ power supplies aren't usually considered to be too good...in spite of the brand recognition and hype, but this one does pretty well:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=262

Reviews - OCZ ZT 750W Power Supply
Page 5 - Conclusion and scoring
At jonnyGURU.com, we score power supplies in four different categories: performance, functionality, build quality and value.

Performance (40% o the final score) - The positives of this unit are the excellent +12V regulation and the ripple suppression. The unit also meets it's 80 Plus Bronze promise, but these days anything less than 80 Plus Silver isn't much to rave about. The non-primary rails' voltage regulation didn't look too good, which is surprising considering the topology of this unit. For performance, I'm going to give this unit a 9.

Functionality (20% of the final score) - It's hard to knock a PSU that's fully modular. Furthermore, this unit has a very good variety of connectors for it's wattage and still comes in at only 175mm deep. We don't get thumb screws and Velcro straps, but as an 80 Plus Bronze unit, currently selling for under $100 at Newegg (before any mail in rebates), I wouldn't expect too many extras. For functionality, I'm giving the OCZ ZT 750W a 10.

Build Quality (20% of the final score) - Unfortunately, the build quality of this particular unit isn't the best we've seen from either OCZ or Great Wall. The capacitor selection is great (Teapo, Chemi-Con and Rubycon), but some of the hand soldering made me shutter. I'm going to give this unit a 8.5 in the build quality department.

Value (20% of the final score) - As I stated before, this unit is currently under $100 at Newegg. $99.99 to be exact. This puts it right with other 80 Plus Bronze units from other big brands like Antec, Cooler Master and Enermax. With mail in rebates, we've seen this unit net for as little as $74.99. For value, I'm giving the OCZ ZT 750W a 9.5.

Performance 9

Functionality 10

Build Quality 8.5

Value 9.5

Total Score 9

Due to the decent performance, full modularity and good value of this unit, I'm giving the OCZ ZT 750W a "jonnyGURU Recommended"....


This PSU does exactly what it's advertised to do, is full modular and comes in at a great price... especially if you can score it for $74.99 after mail in rebate. The build quality has me a little concerned, but OCZ's "PowerSwap" warranty is tough to beat if you ever do run into problem. Tighter regulation on the non-primary rails and better soldering would make this power supply the perfect 750W.

The Good:

Fully modular
Great price... especially after the occasional mail in rebate
5 year "PowerSwap" warranty from OCZ

The Bad:

What's with the big blob of solder running along the bottom of the PCB?

The Mediocre:

Regulation of the non-primary rails could be better
Only 80 Plus Bronze efficiency is a world where everyone else is shooting for Silver, Gold and Platinum

IMO, the Corsair TX750 is a slightly better unit at the same (actually a bit less after rebate) price point.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139021


For your comparison:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=230

Reviews - Corsair TX750 V2 750W

Page 5 - Scoring
Now we come to the scoring. I confess that it's been a long time since I fiddled with the way I score these things. For a long time now, I've wanted a separate section just for build quality, and I've gotten quite tired of coming up with scores for how I think these things look. So, I'm doing something different today - replacing the aesthetics score with a far more useful build quality score. I am assigning more weight to this part of the score than the aesthetics score had, because build quality is a fair bit more important. So, let's come up with some scores and see where this goes.

Performance (40% of the final score) - there's really not a lot to complain about on this unit. It's not the best I've ever tackled in terms of ripple suppression, but it's well above average. Regulation isn't the best I've ever seen, but it's again well above average. Efficiency easily passed Bronze, so no whining from me there. In the end, I think I'll give this unit a solid 9.5, just like its cousin in the XFX Core Edition 750W. There are a few things that could be improved, but not many, and these are very minor.

Functionality (20% of the final score) - I've had a few people tell me that non modular units should lose points here. Well... I do kind of agree with that. I myself will no longer use a fully wired unit. But in terms of scoring, I just can't do it - penalize a unit for not being modular. Some people don't cotton to modularity. So, I have to take points off for other things. And on this unit, that amounts to only one little thing - the lack of a second EPS12V connector. This is getting to a power level that a second such connector may be useful. Half a point off, and no more. 9.5.

Value (25% of the final score) - this unit currently retails for $99.99 at Tiger Direct. It's ten bucks more at Newegg. Wowzers. Go buy one... you're just not going to do much better for that money. I mean, what are you gonna do... buy a cheapie? Newegg's price is quite good, but Tiger Direct's price raises this section to a 10.

Build Quality (15% of the final score) - again, there's not a lot to complain about here in what used to be the aesthetics score. The soldering is well above average, and the component quality is equally above average. The transient filter is all there, containing more parts than it really needs to, and I have no real complaints about the circuit design. But... and this is me getting really over the top picky now... that one Rubycon leaning to the side on the 5VSB rail doesn't quite work for me. I'd like to see that sitting flat on the board. It's not a problem in terms of electrical functionality, it's just I'm picky to the extreme about such things. As it is, though, I'll only pull a half point for the leaning capacitor. But I'll have to ding a full point for the soldering. Sorry, Seasonic, but it's just not the best I know you're capable of, or the best other companies are capable of. 8.5. Props for the... well, prop in the middle of the PCB; allowing the middle of the board to be supported by the housing. Not every company does that.

Performance 9.5

Functionality 9.5

Value 10

Build Quality 8.5

Total Score 9.5

Summary

Stop the presses - Corsair has another winning power supply on the market. The TX750 V2 is an extremely stable, well performing unit at a great price. They've done a lot right and very few things wrong. Voltage regulation was very good. Efficiency was very good. Ripple suppression was excellent. Why are you still reading this and not running out and buying one? Go... go now.

The Good:

excellent ripple suppression
very, very good voltage regulation
very good build quality
I like the way this unit looks

The Bad:

lots of cables, but no second EPS12V

The Mediocre:

too many people have no idea who Young MC is, apart from that one overplayed song

I can't speak to OCZ customer service since I've never had to deal with them, but I HAVE dealt with the folks at Corsair, and IMO, they're absolutely top notch about taking care of their customers.
 

lehtv

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The OCZ ZT is a very good unit, you won't go wrong with that one. OCZ often gets some bad comments but those probably; mostly apply to their past units and units with 3 year warranty. This one seems to be solid.

Assuming you want to be covered for dual-GPU + overclocking - I'd steer you towards XFX 750W XXX $90 AR or 850W XXX $100 AR. A bit better power quality compared to OCZ ZT but nothing you'll notice really. After rebate cheaper or more powerful, depending on which one you pick.
 

TahoeDust

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I ended up going with the OCZ ZT 750w. The equivalent corsair unit was the Enthusiast TX750M and was $30 more at current newegg prices. I really wanted something fully modular or I would have gone with the TX750. The price was right, I like the looks of it, and the reviewers all liked it.
 

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I ended up going with the OCZ ZT 750w. The equivalent corsair unit was the Enthusiast TX750M and was $30 more at current newegg prices. I really wanted something fully modular or I would have gone with the TX750. The price was right, I like the looks of it, and the reviewers all liked it.

It's a decent power supply, but you paid more for the OCZ than you would have for the Corsair...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&SID=u00000687

was: $139.99
$104.99
save: $35.00
$89.99 after mail-in rebate card


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&SID=u00000687

was: $119.99
$109.99
save: $10.00
$99.99 after mail-in rebate card

But, you got a good quality PSU with a 5 year warranty at a reasonable price.
 

BoomerD

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That corsair is not modular. The modular model is the tx750m...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139030

OK. IMO, the whole modular/non-modular thing is a bit over-blown, but I do understand not wanting to hide a few cables that aren't being used...
My HX620 Corsair is "modular," but the 24 pin cable, the 8 pin EPS12v and the 4 pin EPS 12V cables are hard-wired.

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Since my board only uses the 8-pin EPS 12V cable, I have to hide the 4-pin.
 

TahoeDust

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The OCZ is fully modular. Wire management is important to me, which is the main reason I went with the OCZ.

OCZ-ZT-750.png
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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LOL @ the people telling OP to get 1000w...
Why stop there? Go recommend the 1500w. That would be EVEN safer!
Definitely! Here ya go - don't worry, it's Sony, err... Corsair guts!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817159123

On a serious note, something economical like a Corsair 600CX or its Enermax clone (NAXN 600W) will be more than adequate for the build.
Gets a little close to rated capacity for dual/triple vid cards though...
 
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