How Much Is Your Stolen Music Worth

[IAteYourMother]

See, if the porn industry pulled this sh!t off, then i'd be really scared 😀

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
See, if the porn industry pulled this sh!t off, then i'd be really scared 😀

Unlike the music industry, the porn industry isn't stupid. They know that a small amount of piracy increases their actual sales dramatically. There is no better form of advertising than letting the customer have a little free taste upfront to get their interest going. This is why the music industry still allows a small semblence of music radio to continue existing.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: deftron
WOW ... even Bill gates himself couldn't afford my hard drive

I'm sneaking up on the national debt. It's very safe to say that most of us are responsible for more than the entire industry grosses in a year.

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
"Remember kids - 'Sharing' is Communism. Don't share. Be a good consumer and always buy your own."

"Sharing" the work product of another without payment or permission is theft.

Without intellectual property rights all incentive to innovate, create and invent is gone.

And yes, loss of incentive is one of the major downfalls of communism.

He wass referring to this image... jeesh

http://www.denofslack.net/images/riaa.jpg
http://www.wagnerur.hu/vegyes2/riaa.jpg


oh and
http://img2.exs.cx/img2/8371/riaa-kittens.jpg
hahahaha

 

[Modeps]

To quote the wonderful Howard Stern:

They only fine you $60,000 for dumping toxic waste into the ocean

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Gurck


Besides, if you're concerned with intellectual property rights, the RIAA is the first place to look. Most artists get under 10% of their albums' sales.

Feeble argument. They SIGN a MUTUAL contract with the record companies. And overhead eats the majority of revenue no matter what business you're in. I get less than 10% of my sales too. Take a business class.

They sign because they have no choice. If they don't, they get no radio or phlegMTV play.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
"Remember kids - 'Sharing' is Communism. Don't share. Be a good consumer and always buy your own."

"Sharing" the work product of another without payment or permission is theft.

Without intellectual property rights all incentive to innovate, create and invent is gone.

And yes, loss of incentive is one of the major downfalls of communism.

He wass referring to this image... jeesh

http://www.denofslack.net/images/riaa.jpg
http://www.wagnerur.hu/vegyes2/riaa.jpg


oh and
http://img2.exs.cx/img2/8371/riaa-kittens.jpg
hahahaha

How in the hell do you have 80 posts per day? Jesus Christ, simmer down a bit.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: deftron
WOW ... even Bill gates himself couldn't afford my hard drive

I'm sneaking up on the national debt. It's very safe to say that most of us are responsible for more than the entire industry grosses in a year.

You have 245 TB of music on your hard drives?

Assuming $150k per song, ~5MB per song, national debt of 7.7 trillion.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
"Remember kids - 'Sharing' is Communism. Don't share. Be a good consumer and always buy your own."

"Sharing" the work product of another without payment or permission is theft.

So you've never listened to music, at the same time that someone else happens to, and you happen to also overhear it? (Or do you make note of it, and forward the appropriate royalty payments to the RIAA as soon as you are able?)

You've never flipped through newspapers, magazines, or other printed material, at a newsstand? You've never read over someone's shoulder, or borrowed someone's morning paper at a diner when they were through reading it?

Originally posted by: Amused
Without intellectual property rights all incentive to innovate, create and invent is gone.

Oh, that's right, those pre-historic cave paintings never would have existed, without the artists being guaranteed a royalty stream from it, right? The human desire to simply create, does not exist on its own, it was actually created by capitalism, right? Before the financiers of early days, there was no art or artists, right?

Originally posted by: Amused
And yes, loss of incentive is one of the major downfalls of communism.

You're right. I shall stop posting soon, unless someone sends paypal immediately. After all, I don't have any "incentive", according to the strict capitalist doctrine, to communicate like this, unless I am profiting from it. Btw, who is paying you, and what are they paying, for you to post here? I'd like to know if I should start charging myself more.

 

[LASTGUY2GETPS2]

(Indeed, even if you could find 50.5 million songs or 2.5 million movies to download, they would take up hundreds of terabytes of disk space, which would itself cost a fortune.) But in some court cases, the value of a pirated file is based not on its retail price, but on the damages done to the company that legally produces and sells it.

note....it's the damages THEY claim. Jeez.

 

[ribbon13]

pwn em VL! :beer:

It's called the network effect... you never hear about Metropolis Records complaing about p2p do ya? That's because a lot of their influx of customers is due to p2p...

The music industry has made MORE money since filesharing became popular...

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Oh, that's right, those pre-historic cave paintings never would have existed, without the artists being guaranteed a royalty stream from it, right? The human desire to simply create, does not exist on its own, it was actually created by capitalism, right? Before the financiers of early days, there was no art or artists, right?

This is a horrible metaphor. Cavemen didn't have mortgages and car payments.
Yes, artists would still create. But in order to have time to do it without working on a farm in order to eat... they need to get paid. And we live in a capitalist society, if you work harder, have a better idea, sing better, etc, then you deserve to get paid more because more people are enjoying your work. This is the world we live in.

I'm a professional filmmaker. Yes, I make movies because I enjoy it, but I also have to provide food for my kids.

Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

 

[everman]

I remember one lawsuit a while back where the reported damages was valued at about the entire GDP of the United States. Well over $100k per song I think.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: Modeps
To quote the wonderful Howard Stern:

They only fine you $60,000 for dumping toxic waste into the ocean

hehe, this is true.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: everman
I remember one lawsuit a while back where the reported damages was valued at about the entire GDP of the United States. Well over $100k per song I think.

Jeez, might as well just shoplift from BestBuy, at least then you're just charged with petty larceny (or higher, depending on how sticky your fingers are).

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
"Remember kids - 'Sharing' is Communism. Don't share. Be a good consumer and always buy your own."

"Sharing" the work product of another without payment or permission is theft.

So you've never listened to music, at the same time that someone else happens to, and you happen to also overhear it? (Or do you make note of it, and forward the appropriate royalty payments to the RIAA as soon as you are able?)

You've never flipped through newspapers, magazines, or other printed material, at a newsstand? You've never read over someone's shoulder, or borrowed someone's morning paper at a diner when they were through reading it?

Originally posted by: Amused
Without intellectual property rights all incentive to innovate, create and invent is gone.

Oh, that's right, those pre-historic cave paintings never would have existed, without the artists being guaranteed a royalty stream from it, right? The human desire to simply create, does not exist on its own, it was actually created by capitalism, right? Before the financiers of early days, there was no art or artists, right?

Originally posted by: Amused
And yes, loss of incentive is one of the major downfalls of communism.

You're right. I shall stop posting soon, unless someone sends paypal immediately. After all, I don't have any "incentive", according to the strict capitalist doctrine, to communicate like this, unless I am profiting from it. Btw, who is paying you, and what are they paying, for you to post here? I'd like to know if I should start charging myself more.

:roll:

So, I suppose you work for free and do not require nor ask for payment for your labor?

If you've ever received a paycheck. If you've ever increased your knowledge and/or perfected a talent to earn more money. If you've ever done ANYTHING for financial gain... your post is a pile of hypocritical nonsense.

 

[clarkey01]

Im sure the next OS will track all downloading of MP3's and somehow alert the IIRA or whatever its called.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
"Remember kids - 'Sharing' is Communism. Don't share. Be a good consumer and always buy your own."

Without intellectual property rights all incentive to innovate, create and invent is gone.

That's BS.

 

[KK]

They need to realize that this isn't the 80's. Technology evolves, business evolve with it, when will the RIAA take note.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: AFB

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
"Remember kids - 'Sharing' is Communism. Don't share. Be a good consumer and always buy your own."

Without intellectual property rights all incentive to innovate, create and invent is gone.

That's BS.

It is?

People invent for altruism? People make music for no other reason than to make people smile?

Will you work for free? Do you work for free? If not, you're the one spouting BS.

People do these things for fame and fortune. If you think they don't you're simply denying reality.

Communism is an abject failure because it fails to address, no it simply denies a major driving force in human nature: Ambition.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: AFB

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
"Remember kids - 'Sharing' is Communism. Don't share. Be a good consumer and always buy your own."

Without intellectual property rights all incentive to innovate, create and invent is gone.

That's BS.

It is?

People invent for altruism? People make music for no other reason than to make people smile?

Will you work for free? Do you work for free? If not, you're the one spouting BS.

People do these things for fame and fortune. If you think they don't you're simply denying reality.

Communism is an abject failure because it fails to address, no it simply denies a major driving force in human nature: Ambition.

take a look at open source software

 

[imported_KirbsAw]

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: Modeps
To quote the wonderful Howard Stern:

They only fine you $60,000 for dumping toxic waste into the ocean

hehe, this is true.

That's the beauty of a government controlled by lobbyists.

 

Originally posted by: ribbon13
He wass referring to this image... jeesh

http://www.denofslack.net/images/riaa.jpg
http://www.wagnerur.hu/vegyes2/riaa.jpg


oh and
http://img2.exs.cx/img2/8371/riaa-kittens.jpg
hahahaha

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/bbzzdd/steal.jpg

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: AFB

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
"Remember kids - 'Sharing' is Communism. Don't share. Be a good consumer and always buy your own."

Without intellectual property rights all incentive to innovate, create and invent is gone.

That's BS.

It is?

People invent for altruism? People make music for no other reason than to make people smile?

Will you work for free? Do you work for free? If not, you're the one spouting BS.

People do these things for fame and fortune. If you think they don't you're simply denying reality.

Communism is an abject failure because it fails to address, no it simply denies a major driving force in human nature: Ambition.

take a look at open source software

How they choose to finance their business model is their choice. They are, however, making money and/or notoriety from it. Do you think they do it for altruism?

 

[Biggerhammer]

Ah, a refreshing breath of P&N.

Why not just give the RIAA the right the amputate the fingers of whoever downloads music?

I agree with some of what most people here are saying- it's wrong to download music and not compensate those who make it. Let's not delve into what the RIAA actually does towards creation right now, and just say Kazaa is theft. But if somebody picks my pocket and I hunt him down and burn him to death, even some P&N denizens might think that the punishment was excessive.

The RIAA are terrorists. Think about that and watch the flamewar.