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How Much is Bush's SS Tour Costing You?

phillyTIM

Golden Member
The numbers are staggering, especially considering the Inaguaration costs to taxpayers, tax cuts AND these testosterone-filled Iraqi/Afghan war excursions of Bush's Regime of Corruption.

Bush doesn't care about YOU - he only cares about traveling, vacationing 40% of his Presidency away, and SPENDING YOUR MONEY!

Additionally: as of this point in time, has anyone else noticed that Bush has ONLY visited the states that went for him in Election '04??? So much for being a "UNITER", huh?!!!

Link with in-text links:
http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/04/how-much-is-bushs-ss-tour-costing-you.htmlhttp://www.davidsirota.com/2005/04/how-much-is-bushs-ss-tour-costing-you.html


How Much is Bush's SS Tour Costing You?

President Bush has been barnstorming the country trying to sell the public on his plan to privatize Social Security. Some have wondered how much all his events cost - with the government in serious deficit, and the president claiming Social Security faces a funding crisis, you might think he'd be frugal with the taxpayer money he is spending on these Hollywood-style event. To get an idea of just how much taxpayer money he is spending to promote his plan, check out these stats:

STAFF COSTS BETWEEN $22,000 AND $59,000 PER EVENT: On 10/3/02, the Associated Press reported, "The White House has estimated that trips, on average, cost between $22,000 and $59,000 for staff, not including security and aircraft."

AIR FORCE ONE COSTS ABOUT $55,000 PER HOUR: The operational, per hour cost of Air Force One varies, depending on who you ask, but ranges from $35,000?$50,000 per hour in 2000 dollars. In 2000, The Republican National Committee issued a press release estimating the cost at $35,000/hr. On 8/21/2000, the the New York Post reported that, ?The cost per hour of a White House flight varies, depending on the plane used. It's typically about $50,000 per hour to fly the president and his entourage on Air Force One?or seven times the hourly rate of a commercial Boeing 747.? $50,000 in 2000 dollars is about $55,000 in today's dollars.

BUSH HAS A HISTORY OF ABUSING TRAVEL BUDGETS: On 10/20/02, the Washington Post reported "the White House has billed the federal Office of Family Assistance $210,000 to help pay for five trips in which President Bush promoted welfare reform at official events and made separate fundraising appearances for GOP candidates." An HHS spokesperson "said the $210,000 from the Office of Family Assistance helped pay for stages, sound and other speech-related costs on the trips." The Office of Family Assistance is supposed to use its funding to administer programs for poor children and families - not the President's travel.

This, of course, doesn't include the costs to local government of security when he holds these events. And while the amount spent may be small compared to the federal deficit, every little bit counts, especially considering it costs five times more to run Air Force one for an hour ($55,000) than Social Security pays the typical recipient in an entire year ($11,000). When put that way, his abuse of his travel privileges and wasteful attitude toward taxpayer money is no small matter.
 
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Additionally: as of this point in time, has anyone else noticed that Bush has ONLY visited the states that went for him in Election '04??? So much for being a "UNITER", huh?!!!
You're missing the point. He's not even getting support from states he one or from the Republicans elected to Congress from those states.

 
I think a better idea is to see how much SS is costing you!

Cost me about 4K last year. When it comes time for me to retire Ill get 70% benefits and have your kids pay for it.

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think a better idea is to see how much SS is costing you!

Cost me about 4K last year. When it comes time for me to retire Ill get 70% benefits and have your kids pay for it.

Well, if the President would actually constructively use taxpayer's time and money by actually working to fix the problem, then that probably wouldn't be the case.

But, Medicare, is a bigger emergency that is being ignored.
 
Originally posted by: phillyTIM


Additionally: as of this point in time, has anyone else noticed that Bush has ONLY visited the states that went for him in Election '04???

right but he only allows people who voted for him/agree with him/signed loyalty oaths to be a part of the stops anyway...so its not a huge surprise.

 
Well, if the President would actually constructively use taxpayer's time and money by actually working to fix the problem, then that probably wouldn't be the case.

But, Medicare, is a bigger emergency that is being ignored.

You dont think he wants to fix the problem? What is the purpose of him going around trying to push these voluntary private accounts?

What is the democrats plan btw?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Well, if the President would actually constructively use taxpayer's time and money by actually working to fix the problem, then that probably wouldn't be the case.

But, Medicare, is a bigger emergency that is being ignored.

You dont think he wants to fix the problem? What is the purpose of him going around trying to push these voluntary private accounts?

What is the democrats plan btw?

Has Bush actually put his plan onto paper with all the details? NO!

Until Bush starts talking real about SS, the Dems aren't obligated to come up with anything yet. Various Dems have produced several different ideas, but they haven't cohesively come up with one yet.

Frankly, he doesn't want to fix the problem. He admits his plan WON'T fix the solvency problem. He wants to DESTROY Social Security.
 
Has Bush actually put his plan onto paper with all the details? NO!

I think he is waiting for the democrats to come up with a plan, anything , so they can debate. Right now he has a vision of private ownership of a public program. The democrats have nothing but a locomotive on a crash course.

Until Bush starts talking real about SS, the Dems aren't obligated to come up with anything yet. Various Dems have produced several different ideas, but they haven't cohesively come up with one yet.

What a childish approach to a problem. We dont like what your plan is so we wont even come up with our own? If the democrats havent come up with a plan nearly 3 months after Bush asked them to. Then I think the democras are either incompetent, in the pockets of AARP, or stupid. Or a combination of the three.

Frankly, he doesn't want to fix the problem. He admits his plan WON'T fix the solvency problem. He wants to DESTROY Social Security.

He may want to destroy the current system as it is an outdated relic of the 1930s. Do you think we should start driving cars made in the 1930s again? How about go back to flying DC3s all over the world.

Time to fix a system built in a different time and a different demographic.

The inability of people like you to grasp this is sad.
 
David: Mr. President, you say you're making progress in the Social Security debate. Yet private accounts, as the centerpiece of that plan, something you first campaigned on five years ago and laid before the American people, remains, according to every measure we have, poll after poll, unpopular with a majority of Americans. So the question is, do you feel that this is a point in the debate where it's incumbent upon you, and nobody else, to lay out a plan to the American people for how you actually keep Social Security solvent for the long-term?

PRESIDENT: First of all, Dave, let me, if I might correct you, be so bold as to correct you, I have not laid out a plan yet, intentionally. I have laid out principles, I've talked about putting all options on the table, because I fully understand the administration must work with the Congress to permanently solve Social Security. So one aspect of the debate is, will we be willing to work together to permanently solve the issue. Personal accounts do not solve the issue...
 
I think he is waiting for the democrats to come up with a plan, anything , so they can debate. Right now he has a vision of private ownership of a public program. The democrats have nothing but a locomotive on a crash course.

 
History shows: anything & everything George W. Bush touches, turns to ash.

I will not support anything coming out of Bush's mouth or any of his attempts to change SS or any program. Bush is lame duck DEAD in my opinion and he should use his hands souly for the purpose of jerking off!
 
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
History shows: anything & everything George W. Bush touches, turns to ash.

I will not support anything coming out of Bush's mouth or any of his attempts to change SS or any program. Bush is lame duck DEAD in my opinion and he should use his hands souly for the purpose of jerking off!

Might want to tone that down a bit.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think he is waiting for the democrats to come up with a plan, anything , so they can debate. Right now he has a vision of private ownership of a public program. The democrats have nothing but a locomotive on a crash course.

Let's see - Bush and hist party control the presidency, and both houses, and somehow it is incumbent upon the democrats to come up with a cohesive plan first?

The Bush plan is that there is no plan - kill SS, and forgive debt to the exists-on-paper SS trust fund. That's the plan.
 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think he is waiting for the democrats to come up with a plan, anything , so they can debate. Right now he has a vision of private ownership of a public program. The democrats have nothing but a locomotive on a crash course.

Let's see - Bush and hist party control the presidency, and both houses, and somehow it is incumbent upon the democrats to come up with a cohesive plan first?

The Bush plan is that there is no plan - kill SS, and forgive debt to the exists-on-paper SS trust fund. That's the plan.

Exactly, let Bush and the Repugs short themselves on the third rail of politics.
 
Here is a story from the Washington Post/MSNBC on the price of Bush's Social Security Destruction Tour. And just think, it's all a waste of money because Americans have
figured out Bush's Social Security scam.

His "plan" will do nothing to "fix" Social Security. He'll destroy a system that's solvent until
2042 by even the most conservative estimates and saddle the nation with another few trillion dollars in debt. All so fools who fall for this larceny can foot the bill again as Bush family long-time Wall St. buddies can make another fortune handling their "investments."

What a bunch of rubes. The Brooklyn Bridge is still for sale if any of you are interested. :roll:

Stop wasting our money, George. Stay in Washington for once. Try straightening out any of the myriad messes you've already made before you work on the next one.

Cost of Bush?s Social Security drive questioned

Democrat seeks accounting of '60 Stops in 60 Days' blitz

By Jonathan Weisman
Updated: 1:31 a.m. ET April 7, 2005

The Bush administration's ongoing Social Security blitz is unusual in scale in the selling of a domestic policy, mobilizing the president and vice president, four Cabinet secretaries and 17 lesser officials, down to an associate director of strategic planning for the White House budget office.

It also may be one of the most costly in memory, well into the millions of dollars, according to some rough, unofficial calculations.

House Appropriations Committee Republicans have quietly asked the administration for an accounting of its "60 Stops in 60 Days" blitz. And yesterday, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the Government Reform Committee, formally asked the Government Accountability Office not only for the cost but also "whether the Bush Administration has crossed the line from education to propaganda."

Education or propaganda?

"No one disputes the right of the President to make his policy recommendations known to Congress and the public," Waxman wrote in a letter to U.S. Comptroller General David M. Walker. "Yet there is a vital line between legitimately informing the public, as the President did in his State of the Union address, and commandeering the vast resources of the federal government to fund a political campaign for Social Security privatization."

Administration officials do not deny the Social Security campaign constitutes an extraordinary legislative push, certainly the largest since President Bill Clinton rolled out his national health care plan. But, they say, the issue of Social Security's solvency demands no less. Besides, White House and Treasury officials said, the president and his Cabinet travel all the time. For these 60 days, they will simply have a common theme.

Range of events

Thirty five days into the 60-day push, administration officials have held 123 events in 35 states. Participants range from President Bush and Vice President Cheney to Noam Neusner, associate director for strategic planning at the Office of Management and Budget, and Michel N. Korbey, a senior adviser to the Social Security Administration.

Events could be anything from a full-blown presidential address to a meeting between Eric Stewart, a deputy assistant secretary of commerce, and the Gaston County, N.C., Chamber of Commerce to Neusner's B'nai B'rith breakfast in Baltimore.

Assistant Secretary of Commerce William H. Lash has ventured to the Northeastern Wisconsin Trade Conference in Green Bay. Timothy Bitsberger, the assistant Treasury secretary for financial markets, may be accustomed to conclaves of Wall Street bond traders, but on March 22 he was talking about Social Security in Oxford, Miss.

Treasury on the offensive

The Treasury Department has hired four full-time employees to help run the show, including establishing a new Web site, http://www.strengtheningsocialsecurity.gov/, and a war room, dubbed the Social Security Information Center. Yesterday, Treasury held a first-ever "radio day," opening its ornate Cash Room and 28 administration officials to nearly 30 radio talk-show hosts.

"Strengthening Social Security for future generations is a top priority for this administration, and the policy campaign underway reflects that," Treasury spokesman Robert Nichols said.

The administration has declined to estimate the cost of the entire operation. Nichols said four Treasury officials, including Secretary John W. Snow, are flying coach on commercial airlines at the government rate, pulling funds from the department's $3 million travel budget.

The White House, Social Security Administration, Small Business Administration and departments of Health and Human Services, Labor and Commerce are tapping their own travel budgets. According to the law, each agency will report to Congress at the end of each quarter the costs of senior officials' travel.

Those costs have not escaped congressional attention.

"Currently, no one in Congress or the public knows the full extent and cost of the federal resources being devoted to promoting the President's Social Security agenda," Waxman wrote.

Lofty airfares

Even Republicans raised their eyebrows when they heard new employees were brought on for the campaign, said a House Republican staff member, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid embarrassing the president.

The costs are likely to be substantial. A rough calculation of commercial fares for the administration's travels tops $15,000 for the scheduled speakers, but that does not count their entourages.

In 2000, when jet fuel prices were lower, the GAO estimated that flying Air Force One cost $54,100 per hour, or $60,250 in today's dollars. So far, the president has traveled to Indiana, New Jersey, Kentucky, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Florida, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa and West Virginia. That is enough, by commercial schedules, to take at least 30 hours, or $1.8 million.

A C-137C, which the vice president generally travels on, cost $10,300 per hour to operate, or $11,470 today. Cheney's travels on the Social Security tour have taken him to Bakersfield, Calif.; Reno, Nev.; Battle Creek, Mich., and Pittsburgh, enough to keep a commercial flight in the air 14 hours, at a cost of $160,580.

Excluding security and aircraft costs, the White House has estimated that staff costs on presidential trips average between $22,000 and $59,000, the Associated Press has reported. Staff costs for Bush's 16 Social Security events thus would range from $352,000 to $944,000.


 
Originally posted by: BBond
Here is a story from the Washington Post/MSNBC on the price of Bush's Social Security Destruction Tour. And just think, it's all a waste of money because Americans have
figured out Bush's Social Security scam.

His "plan" will do nothing to "fix" Social Security. He'll destroy a system that's solvent until
2042 by even the most conservative estimates and saddle the nation with another few trillion dollars in debt. All so fools who fall for this larceny can foot the bill again as Bush family long-time Wall St. buddies can make another fortune handling their "investments."

What a bunch of rubes. The Brooklyn Bridge is still for sale if any of you are interested. :roll:

Stop wasting our money, George. Stay in Washington for once. Try straightening out any of the myriad messes you've already made before you work on the next one.

Cost of Bush?s Social Security drive questioned

Democrat seeks accounting of '60 Stops in 60 Days' blitz

By Jonathan Weisman
Updated: 1:31 a.m. ET April 7, 2005

The Bush administration's ongoing Social Security blitz is unusual in scale in the selling of a domestic policy, mobilizing the president and vice president, four Cabinet secretaries and 17 lesser officials, down to an associate director of strategic planning for the White House budget office.

It also may be one of the most costly in memory, well into the millions of dollars, according to some rough, unofficial calculations.

House Appropriations Committee Republicans have quietly asked the administration for an accounting of its "60 Stops in 60 Days" blitz. And yesterday, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the Government Reform Committee, formally asked the Government Accountability Office not only for the cost but also "whether the Bush Administration has crossed the line from education to propaganda."

Education or propaganda?

"No one disputes the right of the President to make his policy recommendations known to Congress and the public," Waxman wrote in a letter to U.S. Comptroller General David M. Walker. "Yet there is a vital line between legitimately informing the public, as the President did in his State of the Union address, and commandeering the vast resources of the federal government to fund a political campaign for Social Security privatization."

Administration officials do not deny the Social Security campaign constitutes an extraordinary legislative push, certainly the largest since President Bill Clinton rolled out his national health care plan. But, they say, the issue of Social Security's solvency demands no less. Besides, White House and Treasury officials said, the president and his Cabinet travel all the time. For these 60 days, they will simply have a common theme.

Range of events

Thirty five days into the 60-day push, administration officials have held 123 events in 35 states. Participants range from President Bush and Vice President Cheney to Noam Neusner, associate director for strategic planning at the Office of Management and Budget, and Michel N. Korbey, a senior adviser to the Social Security Administration.

Events could be anything from a full-blown presidential address to a meeting between Eric Stewart, a deputy assistant secretary of commerce, and the Gaston County, N.C., Chamber of Commerce to Neusner's B'nai B'rith breakfast in Baltimore.

Assistant Secretary of Commerce William H. Lash has ventured to the Northeastern Wisconsin Trade Conference in Green Bay. Timothy Bitsberger, the assistant Treasury secretary for financial markets, may be accustomed to conclaves of Wall Street bond traders, but on March 22 he was talking about Social Security in Oxford, Miss.

Treasury on the offensive

The Treasury Department has hired four full-time employees to help run the show, including establishing a new Web site, http://www.strengtheningsocialsecurity.gov/, and a war room, dubbed the Social Security Information Center. Yesterday, Treasury held a first-ever "radio day," opening its ornate Cash Room and 28 administration officials to nearly 30 radio talk-show hosts.

"Strengthening Social Security for future generations is a top priority for this administration, and the policy campaign underway reflects that," Treasury spokesman Robert Nichols said.

The administration has declined to estimate the cost of the entire operation. Nichols said four Treasury officials, including Secretary John W. Snow, are flying coach on commercial airlines at the government rate, pulling funds from the department's $3 million travel budget.

The White House, Social Security Administration, Small Business Administration and departments of Health and Human Services, Labor and Commerce are tapping their own travel budgets. According to the law, each agency will report to Congress at the end of each quarter the costs of senior officials' travel.

Those costs have not escaped congressional attention.

"Currently, no one in Congress or the public knows the full extent and cost of the federal resources being devoted to promoting the President's Social Security agenda," Waxman wrote.

Lofty airfares

Even Republicans raised their eyebrows when they heard new employees were brought on for the campaign, said a House Republican staff member, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid embarrassing the president.

The costs are likely to be substantial. A rough calculation of commercial fares for the administration's travels tops $15,000 for the scheduled speakers, but that does not count their entourages.

In 2000, when jet fuel prices were lower, the GAO estimated that flying Air Force One cost $54,100 per hour, or $60,250 in today's dollars. So far, the president has traveled to Indiana, New Jersey, Kentucky, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Florida, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa and West Virginia. That is enough, by commercial schedules, to take at least 30 hours, or $1.8 million.

A C-137C, which the vice president generally travels on, cost $10,300 per hour to operate, or $11,470 today. Cheney's travels on the Social Security tour have taken him to Bakersfield, Calif.; Reno, Nev.; Battle Creek, Mich., and Pittsburgh, enough to keep a commercial flight in the air 14 hours, at a cost of $160,580.

Excluding security and aircraft costs, the White House has estimated that staff costs on presidential trips average between $22,000 and $59,000, the Associated Press has reported. Staff costs for Bush's 16 Social Security events thus would range from $352,000 to $944,000.

So lets see I should pay SS tax to get plus pay back the scam fund just to get 70% of the benifits I paid for. No thanks I would rather give my money to wall street then you.
 
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: BBond
Here is a story from the Washington Post/MSNBC on the price of Bush's Social Security Destruction Tour. And just think, it's all a waste of money because Americans have
figured out Bush's Social Security scam.

His "plan" will do nothing to "fix" Social Security. He'll destroy a system that's solvent until
2042 by even the most conservative estimates and saddle the nation with another few trillion dollars in debt. All so fools who fall for this larceny can foot the bill again as Bush family long-time Wall St. buddies can make another fortune handling their "investments."

What a bunch of rubes. The Brooklyn Bridge is still for sale if any of you are interested. :roll:

Stop wasting our money, George. Stay in Washington for once. Try straightening out any of the myriad messes you've already made before you work on the next one.

Cost of Bush?s Social Security drive questioned

Democrat seeks accounting of '60 Stops in 60 Days' blitz

By Jonathan Weisman
Updated: 1:31 a.m. ET April 7, 2005

The Bush administration's ongoing Social Security blitz is unusual in scale in the selling of a domestic policy, mobilizing the president and vice president, four Cabinet secretaries and 17 lesser officials, down to an associate director of strategic planning for the White House budget office.

It also may be one of the most costly in memory, well into the millions of dollars, according to some rough, unofficial calculations.

House Appropriations Committee Republicans have quietly asked the administration for an accounting of its "60 Stops in 60 Days" blitz. And yesterday, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the Government Reform Committee, formally asked the Government Accountability Office not only for the cost but also "whether the Bush Administration has crossed the line from education to propaganda."

Education or propaganda?

"No one disputes the right of the President to make his policy recommendations known to Congress and the public," Waxman wrote in a letter to U.S. Comptroller General David M. Walker. "Yet there is a vital line between legitimately informing the public, as the President did in his State of the Union address, and commandeering the vast resources of the federal government to fund a political campaign for Social Security privatization."

Administration officials do not deny the Social Security campaign constitutes an extraordinary legislative push, certainly the largest since President Bill Clinton rolled out his national health care plan. But, they say, the issue of Social Security's solvency demands no less. Besides, White House and Treasury officials said, the president and his Cabinet travel all the time. For these 60 days, they will simply have a common theme.

Range of events

Thirty five days into the 60-day push, administration officials have held 123 events in 35 states. Participants range from President Bush and Vice President Cheney to Noam Neusner, associate director for strategic planning at the Office of Management and Budget, and Michel N. Korbey, a senior adviser to the Social Security Administration.

Events could be anything from a full-blown presidential address to a meeting between Eric Stewart, a deputy assistant secretary of commerce, and the Gaston County, N.C., Chamber of Commerce to Neusner's B'nai B'rith breakfast in Baltimore.

Assistant Secretary of Commerce William H. Lash has ventured to the Northeastern Wisconsin Trade Conference in Green Bay. Timothy Bitsberger, the assistant Treasury secretary for financial markets, may be accustomed to conclaves of Wall Street bond traders, but on March 22 he was talking about Social Security in Oxford, Miss.

Treasury on the offensive

The Treasury Department has hired four full-time employees to help run the show, including establishing a new Web site, http://www.strengtheningsocialsecurity.gov/, and a war room, dubbed the Social Security Information Center. Yesterday, Treasury held a first-ever "radio day," opening its ornate Cash Room and 28 administration officials to nearly 30 radio talk-show hosts.

"Strengthening Social Security for future generations is a top priority for this administration, and the policy campaign underway reflects that," Treasury spokesman Robert Nichols said.

The administration has declined to estimate the cost of the entire operation. Nichols said four Treasury officials, including Secretary John W. Snow, are flying coach on commercial airlines at the government rate, pulling funds from the department's $3 million travel budget.

The White House, Social Security Administration, Small Business Administration and departments of Health and Human Services, Labor and Commerce are tapping their own travel budgets. According to the law, each agency will report to Congress at the end of each quarter the costs of senior officials' travel.

Those costs have not escaped congressional attention.

"Currently, no one in Congress or the public knows the full extent and cost of the federal resources being devoted to promoting the President's Social Security agenda," Waxman wrote.

Lofty airfares

Even Republicans raised their eyebrows when they heard new employees were brought on for the campaign, said a House Republican staff member, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid embarrassing the president.

The costs are likely to be substantial. A rough calculation of commercial fares for the administration's travels tops $15,000 for the scheduled speakers, but that does not count their entourages.

In 2000, when jet fuel prices were lower, the GAO estimated that flying Air Force One cost $54,100 per hour, or $60,250 in today's dollars. So far, the president has traveled to Indiana, New Jersey, Kentucky, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Florida, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa and West Virginia. That is enough, by commercial schedules, to take at least 30 hours, or $1.8 million.

A C-137C, which the vice president generally travels on, cost $10,300 per hour to operate, or $11,470 today. Cheney's travels on the Social Security tour have taken him to Bakersfield, Calif.; Reno, Nev.; Battle Creek, Mich., and Pittsburgh, enough to keep a commercial flight in the air 14 hours, at a cost of $160,580.

Excluding security and aircraft costs, the White House has estimated that staff costs on presidential trips average between $22,000 and $59,000, the Associated Press has reported. Staff costs for Bush's 16 Social Security events thus would range from $352,000 to $944,000.

So lets see I should pay SS tax to get plus pay back the scam fund just to get 70% of the benifits I paid for. No thanks I would rather give my money to wall street then you.

I'd rather wipe my butt with twenties than give it to this plan.
 
Originally posted by: Spencer278

So lets see I should pay SS tax to get plus pay back the scam fund just to get 70% of the benifits I paid for. No thanks I would rather give my money to wall street then you.

Too late, pal. You're already giving your money to me. And I did the same for the generation that preceded mine.

The only thing that's changed here is your generation can't overcome their greed.

 
Yep, I supported SS through my grandmother's retirement (she worked until age 73) and through my father's disability until the day he died.

I feel it is my duty to support SS all I can.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Yep, I supported SS through my grandmother's retirement (she worked until age 73) and through my father's disability until the day he died.

I feel it is my duty to support SS all I can.

As did I. We all did. Since 1983 we paid an increase in FICA to "fix" the system. And it did. But the money we paid in has been replaced with IOUs that Bush now wants to renege on as he borrows another $2 trillion for a plan that HE HIMSELF ADMITS DOES NOTHING TO FIX SOCIAL SECURITY.

Bush's plan only makes matters worse. Except of course for Bush and Wall St.

Go ahead, suckers, "privatize" your FICA payments. When you're old enough to collect, if they don't raise the age limit to "DEATH" by that time, you can collect all those HUGE investment earnings THAT ARE OVER THE AMOUNT YOU WOULD HAVE EARNED UNDER THE OLD SOCIAL SECURITY PLAN.

I feel it's necessary to point this out again. You only get to keep what you make ABOVE normal Social Security Plan growth.

And that's only if there is anything "above." What do you do if you plan to retire in a time span that turns out to be another 2001 through 2005? Eat less? Live without your medication? Lose your home? Keep working until you drop and not worry about retirement?

Social Security was set up as a safety net. The funds aren't at risk. Yours will be.

And you'll pay those fees to Bush's Wall St. buddies whether you make a profit or not. 😉

It's a win-win for them and a break-even (if you're lucky) or lose for you.

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Yep, I supported SS through my grandmother's retirement (she worked until age 73) and through my father's disability until the day he died.

I feel it is my duty to support SS all I can.

As did I. We all did. Since 1983 we paid an increase in FICA to "fix" the system. And it did. But the money we paid in has been replaced with IOUs that Bush now wants to renege on as he borrows another $2 trillion for a plan that HE HIMSELF ADMITS DOES NOTHING TO FIX SOCIAL SECURITY.

Bush's plan only makes matters worse. Except of course for Bush and Wall St.

Go ahead, suckers, "privatize" your FICA payments. When you're old enough to collect, if they don't raise the age limit to "DEATH" by that time, you can collect all those HUGE investment earnings THAT ARE OVER THE AMOUNT YOU WOULD HAVE EARNED UNDER THE OLD SOCIAL SECURITY PLAN.

I feel it's necessary to point this out again. You only get to keep what you make ABOVE normal Social Security Plan growth.

And that's only if there is anything "above." What do you do if you plan to retire in a time span that turns out to be another 2001 through 2005? Eat less? Live without your medication? Lose your home? Keep working until you drop and not worry about retirement?

Social Security was set up as a safety net. The funds aren't at risk. Yours will be.

And you'll pay those fees to Bush's Wall St. buddies whether you make a profit or not. 😉

It's a win-win for them and a break-even (if you're lucky) or lose for you.

My understanding is that there is like an 80% tax on any earning that go above and beyond what Social Security would normally earn.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Well, if the President would actually constructively use taxpayer's time and money by actually working to fix the problem, then that probably wouldn't be the case.

But, Medicare, is a bigger emergency that is being ignored.

Not really...they're waiting for the drug benefit to go into effect next year, THEN the alarm bells are going to start going off full tilt.

"TEH EVIL MEDICARE IS BANKRUPTING THE COUNTRY--WE MUST FIX (ABOLISH) IT NOW!!!"

Just you watch

 
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