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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: elfa
Too many cities. You can't enjoy your trip if half of the time you are moving.
I would sugest to plan 4 days in a few cities and cut off some of them.

QFT! You'll be exhausted. 3 nights per city minimum!

I personally prefer the ones in bold:

madrid..................3
barcelona..............3
monaco.................1
geneva..................2
rome.....................2
florence.................2
venice...................2
vienna...................2
prague..................2
berlin....................2

frankfurt................2
stuttgart................2
amsterdam...........2
brussels................2
paris......................3
london...................3

glasgow.................3
dublin....................3
edinburgh..............1

Why Frankfurt and Stuttgart? Most Americans go to Munich!

i know people in a lot of these cities, and we plan on sleeping on the train for the long runs...oh and i meant to take off geneva, frankfurt, florence, and edinburgh.

edit: i updated the list slightly. see what you think now.
 
When I go to Germany, I try to stay out of the bigger cities and find a smaller town on a train line to the city. Hotels are usually cheaper that way, and the scenery's better.

EDIT: don't go to Frankfurt and Stuttgart. Munich's fun. If you're looking for a reasonably accessible big city, try Kologne. Very cosmopolitan, close to Dusseldorf (also nice), and a reasonable train ride to Amsterdam (do I need to say more?).
 
Originally posted by: elektrolokomotive
When I go to Germany, I try to stay out of the bigger cities and find a smaller town on a train line to the city. Hotels are usually cheaper that way, and the scenery's better.

EDIT: don't go to Frankfurt and Stuttgart. Munich's fun. If you're looking for a reasonably accessible big city, try Kologne. Very cosmopolitan, close to Dusseldorf (also nice), and a reasonable train ride to Amsterdam (do I need to say more?).

I studied in Düsseldorf for a while. One of my favorite German cities, along with Berlin, Ulm, Nürnberg, and Weimar.

Cologne or Köln is very nice as well. And as I've said before, the stretch of train track between Bonn and Frankfurt, along the Rhine river valley, is beautiful!

BigSmooth: Have you marked all those cities on a map and drawn out your course? Do that to see if some cities are out of the way or not. Venice might be, and isn't worth visiting IMO.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Boxxcar
It certainly doesn't cost as much as Mill suggested that he is spending on his so-called trip. Actually, Mill is probably pulling everyone's chain. So far it looks as though he's budgetting 20-25K for his trip. I don't know about anyone else, but I seriously doubt anyone who's willing to splash out that kind of cash on an European vacation is sitting on his computer chatting on Anandtech in the middle of the day. My guess is he is trying to impress the rest of us by implying that he can afford such a trip. Give me a break!
Just budget as much as you can. The Euro rate is not that great right now as you only get about ?820 for every $1000. Use bed and breakfast's in England and pensions on the mainland. Use Eurail Pass or fly Ryan Air (ryanair.com)between select cities. I lived in Europe for 27 years and have just returned last December.



Ahem, as I tried to explain, I'm going to Europe to take European Delivery of my new MB SLK350. There's no reason for me to stay in hostels and tents while cruising around Europe before dropping off at Port, so I did not. You can call BS all you want -- I've got someone going with me, and I'm picking up their airfare, hotel expenses, and a few other expenses.

The tickets from Delta were 2300 a piece. The average hotel price is about 350 a night, but Thank God for the free night at Graf Zeppelin in Stuttgart that Mercedes pays.

I chose to do the trip this way, but not all do. We certainly considered staying just in hostels and the like, but sense I was already going to spend a good sum, we decided to bump it up a bit.

Anyway, OP, here's a site I found when we were considering doing the hostel route.

Edited to prevent someone screwing with my reservations. Enough people saw it to vouch.

I was right! What a load of BS. My guess that Mill is simply trying to impress the rest of us shines with his remark about picking up his new car. Not just any car but a MB to boot. Here's a car that costs around $50K without options and you're referencing the possibility of staying at hostels. That will look real cool. A new SLK parked out the front of some hostel. Let me guess, I suppose you are intending to drive it home as well. Pull the other one!!! You've probably never even been outside of Alabama. Besides, if you're going to name drop a nice hotel chain - especially one that you actually stayed at (ha) - the least you could do is spell it correctly!
By the way, good choice on airlines. Didn't Delta just file bankruptcy?
 
Originally posted by: Boxxcar
By the way, good choice on airlines. Didn't Delta just file bankruptcy?

I'll let Mill respond to the rest, but as for this, Delta is still flying like it normally does. In fact, I'll be buying round-trip tickets to Munich before the end of the week. Going to spend Christmas in Austria!

And what little I know about Mill, he is not poor. He is wealthy for his age...legally so...through an unfortunate event. So, I believe he can afford the European trip he says he can.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Boxxcar
By the way, good choice on airlines. Didn't Delta just file bankruptcy?

I'll let Mill respond to the rest, but as for this, Delta is still flying like it normally does. In fact, I'll be buying round-trip tickets to Munich before the end of the week. Going to spend Christmas in Austria!

And what little I know about Mill, he is not poor. He is wealthy for his age...legally so...through an unfortunate event. So, I believe he can afford the European trip he says he can.

To quote that infamous line from Rosanna Rosannadanna "Nevermind!"

Not to worry Mill, I'm just stirring the pot!

Where are you skiing in Austria over Christmas? Have you been before? If not, my suggestion is to find a resort/town in the higher elevations. Snow cannot be guaranteed for Christmas. I spent Xmas 2002 and 2003 in the small town of Neustift im Stubital. The Stubital is a glacier and had loads of snow both seasons while the lower elevations had rain. Xmas 2002 was really bad with rain. Even St Johann and Kitzbuhel were rained on.
 
Originally posted by: oboeguy
You will be bored spending three days in Venice. We spent one night there and it was enough.

i have to go there. i re-made venice for a school project with stop lights for the boats and a tram suspended in the air between buildings. lol.

what do you guys think of geneva vs. zurich? im gonna go to one i think, but only one.
 
Originally posted by: elektrolokomotive
When I go to Germany, I try to stay out of the bigger cities and find a smaller town on a train line to the city. Hotels are usually cheaper that way, and the scenery's better.

EDIT: don't go to Frankfurt and Stuttgart. Munich's fun. If you're looking for a reasonably accessible big city, try Kologne. Very cosmopolitan, close to Dusseldorf (also nice), and a reasonable train ride to Amsterdam (do I need to say more?).

ok so skip stuttgart and go to munich and cologne?
 
Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
Originally posted by: oboeguy
You will be bored spending three days in Venice. We spent one night there and it was enough.

i have to go there. i re-made venice for a school project with stop lights for the boats and a tram suspended in the air between buildings. lol.

what do you guys think of geneva vs. zurich? im gonna go to one i think, but only one.

Zurich has the Lindt chocolate factory. Otherwise, neither. Especially when you have Interlaken so nearby. Perhaps the most gorgeous, pristine place on earth...when the weather is good...
 
Originally posted by: Boxxcar
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Boxxcar
It certainly doesn't cost as much as Mill suggested that he is spending on his so-called trip. Actually, Mill is probably pulling everyone's chain. So far it looks as though he's budgetting 20-25K for his trip. I don't know about anyone else, but I seriously doubt anyone who's willing to splash out that kind of cash on an European vacation is sitting on his computer chatting on Anandtech in the middle of the day. My guess is he is trying to impress the rest of us by implying that he can afford such a trip. Give me a break!
Just budget as much as you can. The Euro rate is not that great right now as you only get about ?820 for every $1000. Use bed and breakfast's in England and pensions on the mainland. Use Eurail Pass or fly Ryan Air (ryanair.com)between select cities. I lived in Europe for 27 years and have just returned last December.



Ahem, as I tried to explain, I'm going to Europe to take European Delivery of my new MB SLK350. There's no reason for me to stay in hostels and tents while cruising around Europe before dropping off at Port, so I did not. You can call BS all you want -- I've got someone going with me, and I'm picking up their airfare, hotel expenses, and a few other expenses.

The tickets from Delta were 2300 a piece. The average hotel price is about 350 a night, but Thank God for the free night at Graf Zeppelin in Stuttgart that Mercedes pays.

I chose to do the trip this way, but not all do. We certainly considered staying just in hostels and the like, but sense I was already going to spend a good sum, we decided to bump it up a bit.

Anyway, OP, here's a site I found when we were considering doing the hostel route.

Edited to prevent someone screwing with my reservations. Enough people saw it to vouch.

I was right! What a load of BS. My guess that Mill is simply trying to impress the rest of us shines with his remark about picking up his new car. Not just any car but a MB to boot. Here's a car that costs around $50K without options and you're referencing the possibility of staying at hostels. That will look real cool. A new SLK parked out the front of some hostel. Let me guess, I suppose you are intending to drive it home as well. Pull the other one!!! You've probably never even been outside of Alabama. Besides, if you're going to name drop a nice hotel chain - especially one that you actually stayed at (ha) - the least you could do is spell it correctly!
By the way, good choice on airlines. Didn't Delta just file bankruptcy?

I booked the Delta tickets over 3 months ago, but everyone knew it is a real possibility for one if not more of the legacy carriers to file for bankruptcy by then. Considering it is not Chapter 7 (liquidation) it has zero effect on day-to-day operation. It simply provides court protect from creditors while they are restructuring.

What chain are you accusing me of misspelling?

Finally, quit trolling the thread. I've already proven what I needed to prove, but to shut you up for the final time:
Invoice 1

Mercedes Hotel Voucher

Invoice 2

I don't know if you feel the need to live vicariously through others, or if you can't believe that people *gasp* are frank in a thread discussing somewhere they will be visiting within the next week. Either way, you can stop now. And yes, we did consider staying at hostels -- we're both young (under 25), so there was little reason not to explore the idea of staying at hostels where people our age would be staying.
 
We had quite a few International workers this year, and many of them were from Poland and Bulgaria. I vote heavily for going to either of those places, as they were super friendly and invited me back to stay with them at least 100 times. We were actually going to meet some of them in Paris on our trip, but we killed the France leg of it, and they are going from CDG to Sofia or Warsaw.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
We had quite a few International workers this year, and many of them were from Poland and Bulgaria. I vote heavily for going to either of those places, as they were super friendly and invited me back to stay with them at least 100 times. We were actually going to meet some of them in Paris on our trip, but we killed the France leg of it, and they are going from CDG to Sofia or Warsaw.

interesting...ill think about that
 
Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
Originally posted by: elektrolokomotive
When I go to Germany, I try to stay out of the bigger cities and find a smaller town on a train line to the city. Hotels are usually cheaper that way, and the scenery's better.

EDIT: don't go to Frankfurt and Stuttgart. Munich's fun. If you're looking for a reasonably accessible big city, try Kologne. Very cosmopolitan, close to Dusseldorf (also nice), and a reasonable train ride to Amsterdam (do I need to say more?).

ok so skip stuttgart and go to munich and cologne?

Never been to either but I'd say heck yes, from everything I've heard (from Germans, no less).

I see why you're spending the time in Venice, with that school project and all. 🙂

We've been to Geneva twice. Once by accident -- we got bumped from a flight to Barcelona, and the alternate had a 8-9 hour layover in Geneva. I was thrilled, what can I say? Anyhow, Geneva is really small! It was nice to walk around that first time. The second time we spent 90% of our time at a camp site by the lake some 7-8km out of town (IIRC). I guess you could skip it if you have better places to go.
 
No real reason to book international flights early. They rarely go up unless you're flying middle of the summer. Last 4 or 5 times I've flown over there (in the last 2 years) I've bought my tickets the week before or week of the trip. They aren't the same as domestic flights with pricing.
 
Originally posted by: royaldank
No real reason to book international flights early. They rarely go up unless you're flying middle of the summer. Last 4 or 5 times I've flown over there (in the last 2 years) I've bought my tickets the week before or week of the trip. They aren't the same as domestic flights with pricing.

wow...didnt know that. the price of the ticket to london is going to be 1/3 of the total cost. i wish i could find a way to make it cheaper.
 
Like others I recommend to stay at least two nights at each place. You will have some time to get familiar with the cities, have a more relaxed time (although I don't consider traveling by train uncomfortable) and probably you can save some travel money, too.

I once traveled Denmark in eight days and tried to squeeze as much out of this week as possible. We did Copenhagen - Aalborg - Odensee and we made day trips to Malmö (Sweden), Fredrikshavn and Løken. We visited the new two-storied Øresund bridge (cars and train) which connects Copenhagen and Sweden and we leased bikes in Copenhagen. We've seen the old canon tower at the harbor and some windmill prototypes at Fredrikshavn. Løken has a nice beach with the finest sand I've seen so far. Odensee has a train museum with many old steamers near the train station, and they started up some of them... Was quite smoky 😀 We were also in a movie theatre to test our Danish skill. Nearly all places we visited had nice city centers and good beer.

You can't do much wrong selecting your Swiss city/cities. I wasn't in Geneva and Interlaken for some time. I like Lucerne and Zurich (I live in the latter). Geneva is home of many IGOs and NGOs (mostly located in the "diplomatic quarter"). Five years ago it recieved a Swiss price for the preservation of the city center but honestly I don't know how worth seeing it is. Interlaken is smaller than the other three cities but GTaudiophile seems to have really liked his stay there. It's the only one in the Alps, too. You can wander or visit them with the mountain railway. Lucerne in my opinion is more pictorial than Geneva and Zurich, with a nice city center and an old (partially rebuilt) wooden bridge with paintings. The Swiss Traffic Museum is near Lucerne, too, so if you've a soft spot for old trains and cars, this would be a good argument to chose this city. Zurich has the biggest old part of town of this four cities and it is the biggest overall, too. I hesitate a bit to name the one must-have-seen here because so many things are here. From nightlife, the lake promenade (a meeting place of the youth, like the Niederdorf), over the active cultural life to more infrastructural things like a big concentration of movie theatres and public swimming pools 😀 Public transport is good, it takes you twenty minutes from the main train station to reach the best lookout point (Mount Uetliberg) and 45 minutes to Schaffhausen, where the IMO coolest Swiss medieval castle is, the Munot.

The price level is the same for food in all four cities, but I'd keep an eye on your lodging expenses, where it may possible to save a few bucks after a good investigation.

Don't book at two star hotels in France. The star scale system is completely different than what I've known from Switzerland. I was in a two star hotel in Paris. It wasn't well organised or very clean. It was fair for young people who just want to sleep at the hotel and spend the rest of their time elsewhere but it wouldn't have been up to the standards of many other travelers.
 
chcarnage, maybe ill come visit you in your city. we can have an ATOT europe meet! thanks for the info. mill, thanks for that link...im reading through it now.


so where are the nude beaches with hot womenz?
 
My advice, cut you cities in half, your going to be overloaded anyways... less cities means less work and more time to enjoy things, meet people or hang out with other groups and really 'get to know' the place, are at least better than 3 days would afford you.

I did a 2.5 week europe trip last year, visited five cities in 3 contries, looking back, I wish I would have stayed in one (and woud do day trips to sourrounding cities...)
 
Originally posted by: PolarNorth
My advice, cut you cities in half, your going to be overloaded anyways... less cities means less work and more time to enjoy things, meet people or hang out with other groups and really 'get to know' the place, are at least better than 3 days would afford you.

I did a 2.5 week europe trip last year, visited five cities in 3 contries, looking back, I wish I would have stayed in one (and woud do day trips to sourrounding cities...)

im going to be there for 5 weeks though...i dont want to go there and see very few cities. im not into partying and meeting random strangers ill probably never see again. i just want to go experience different cultures and see parts of the world i have never seen and probably wont see again or at least for a long time. maybe ill take a few more cities out, but i want to see at least 8 or 9.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
i gotta go to bed... 8:00 class, but ill be back to talk about this more in the morning. thanks a TON for the input already guys.

3000 is better than 2000, but either way it is doable for 2000-3000 grand, just make sure you book way in advance.

Yeah, 3000 is definitley doable, 2000 would be a massive stretch.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: elfa
Too many cities. You can't enjoy your trip if half of the time you are moving.
I would sugest to plan 4 days in a few cities and cut off some of them.

QFT! You'll be exhausted. 3 nights per city minimum!

I personally prefer the ones in bold:

madrid..................3
barcelona..............3
monaco.................1
geneva..................2
rome.....................2
florence.................2
venice...................2
vienna...................2
prague..................2
berlin....................2

frankfurt................2
stuttgart................2
amsterdam...........2
brussels................2
paris......................3
london...................3

glasgow.................3
dublin....................3
edinburgh..............1

Why Frankfurt and Stuttgart? Most Americans go to Munich!

No joke..having been to all 3, Id choose Munich over and over again.
 
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