How much does Apple make on an IPad?

[techs]

IMHO, the OP like to argue, because he would argue till death that luxury timepieces worth the money that they demand while it cost pennies to make.

I'm the OP and I don't know where or how you got that out of my post.

I basically offered the profit margins on IPad for comparisons to other computers and media players.

I personally have a Dell Insprion 1710 with a 17 inch lcd backlight notebook with a Pentium Dual Core @ 2.2 ghz, 4 Gb. ram, 250 gb hard drive, dvd burner running Win7 Premium. It cost me 449.00 (on sale). I offer that for comparisons sake.

The point is the IPad is NOT a computer. It doesn't run a Mac OS. It's basically an Iphone without the phone, or an Ipod touch with a bigger screen.

Comparing it to a real computer is erroneous.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I'm the OP and I don't know where or how you got that out of my post.

I basically offered the profit margins on IPad for comparisons to other computers and media players.

I personally have a Dell Insprion 1710 with a 17 inch lcd backlight notebook with a Pentium Dual Core @ 2.2 ghz, 4 Gb. ram, 250 gb hard drive, dvd burner running Win7 Premium. It cost me 449.00 (on sale). I offer that for comparisons sake.

The point is the IPad is NOT a computer. It doesn't run a Mac OS. It's basically an Iphone without the phone, or an Ipod touch with a bigger screen.

Comparing it to a real computer is erroneous.

The hate is strong in this one...

iPhone OS (known as OS X or OS X iPhone in its early history) is the operating system for the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch from Apple Inc.[2][3]
It was derived from Mac OS X, with which it shares the Darwin foundation.[4] iPhone OS has four abstraction layers: the Core OS layer, the Core Services layer, the Media layer, and the Cocoa Touch layer. The operating system uses less than 500 megabytes of the device's memory.[5]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS

A computer is a machine that manipulates data according to a set of instructions.

But hey since the iPad doesn't like manipulate numbers according to a set of instructions, it's not a real computer.

LOL, I remember this argument when Windows came out, since it wasn't a command line interface, computers weren't real computers.

NEXT....

 

[techs]

The hate is strong in this one...

But hey since the iPad doesn't like manipulate numbers according to a set of instructions, it's not a real computer.

LOL, I remember this argument when Windows came out, since it wasn't a command line interface, computers weren't real computers.

NEXT....

Where do you see "hate" anywhere in what I have posted.
My point is that the purchaser is not getting a true computer Mac OS. Just like I wouldn't consider Windows CE a Window computer OS. It's a far, far limited OS. And if I understand correctly, you can't install your progams for Macs into an Ipad.

My point basically is, people are comparing it to laptops, netbooks and tablets, almost all of which run a relatively full version of a regular computer OS, and not a stripped down cellphone or media player OS.

And, profit margins in mass market electronics are far, far lower than what Apple makes on the IPad. I just wanted to post the facts.

And apparently a lot of people, and professionals in the business, are saying its very little "computer" for a lot of money.

 

[mmntech]

What's your point? This has been obvious for years. Apple sells a base notebook starting at $1000 when Dell sells one that is equal to or better than for half the price. And Dell still makes money.

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=DELL&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=5y

Gee, which one should I invest in?

I did a study on my blog about this. How much would it cost to build a Windows based Mac Pro system using comparable parts. The "Apple" tax on a Mac Pro I figured out to be about 13%. That's not including assembly, shipping, and warranty costs.

The problem with the Apple haters is they try and compare apples to oranges. They're comparing Mac products to budget PC parts. The Xeon in the Pro is a $999 part if you were to buy it at Newegg. You can't throw an i7 and stock consumer X58 mobo in there and say "look, it's cheaper!!!". Duh, that's because the i7 isn't a server CPU.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Where do you see "hate" anywhere in what I have posted.
My point is that the purchaser is not getting a true computer Mac OS. Just like I wouldn't consider Windows CE a Window computer OS. It's a far, far limited OS. And if I understand correctly, you can't install your progams for Macs into an Ipad.

My point basically is, people are comparing it to laptops, netbooks and tablets, almost all of which run a relatively full version of a regular computer OS, and not a stripped down cellphone or media player OS.

And, profit margins in mass market electronics are far, far lower than what Apple makes on the IPad. I just wanted to post the facts.

And apparently a lot of people, and professionals in the business, are saying its very little "computer" for a lot of money.

So I proved the iPad is based on OSX, and that it's a "real" computer, but now your argument is that's it's not a good value?

The poor value thing is a piss poor argument, have you even noticed all the articles about netbook manufacturers and manufacturers who plan on releasing tablets freaking out on the price?

You picked one article by an analyst that hasn't even seen an iPad, much less torn it down, and draw your conclusions without looking at what the Nexus One, and iPhone G/GS really cost? iSuppli tore them all down to provide accurate figures.

I keep hearing about $200 Android tablets that'll kick the hell out of the segment, I don't see a single one yet...

Did a single person suspect that soccer moms would be carrying around iPhones in 2007? Maybe Jobs did, but honestly, the dude was designing a smartphone that he liked, and might sell well to a few people, like Apple laptops and desktops have.

I think "hater" applies pretty accurately, frankly, the alternative names aren't so generous.

 

[0roo0roo]

r&d, and setting up the whole ipad media/ebook/apps infrastructure/ecosystem is not considered.
remember the crunchpad. announced at 200 dollars.. then 300, then 400 dollars, still vaporware, realities a b*tch.

 

[techs]

So I proved the iPad is based on OSX, and that it's a "real" computer, but now your argument is that's it's not a good value?

The poor value thing is a piss poor argument, have you even noticed all the articles about netbook manufacturers and manufacturers who plan on releasing tablets freaking out on the price?

You picked one article by an analyst that hasn't even seen an iPad, much less torn it down, and draw your conclusions without looking at what the Nexus One, and iPhone G/GS really cost? iSuppli tore them all down to provide accurate figures.

I keep hearing about $200 Android tablets that'll kick the hell out of the segment, I don't see a single one yet...

Did a single person suspect that soccer moms would be carrying around iPhones in 2007? Maybe Jobs did, but honestly, the dude was designing a smartphone that he liked, and might sell well to a few people, like Apple laptops and desktops have.

I think "hater" applies pretty accurately, frankly, the alternative names aren't so generous.

You're missing the point. Or I didn't explain it well.
My point is that its not the Mac OS which is on all other Apple computers. Which it isn't.
It's a different Os, albeit one derived from their Mac Os. It doesn't do many of the things the Mac Os does, nor does it support programs that run on Mac Os.
So, to treat it like an Apple "computer" is erroneous. A purchaser may buy it expecting to put their Office or Quickbooks on it, but they can't.

 

[Pliablemoose]

You're missing the point. Or I didn't explain it well.
My point is that its not the Mac OS which is on all other Apple computers. Which it isn't.
It's a different Os, albeit one derived from their Mac Os. It doesn't do many of the things the Mac Os does, nor does it support programs that run on Mac Os.
So, to treat it like an Apple "computer" is erroneous. A purchaser may buy it expecting to put their Office or Quickbooks on it, but they can't.

So no one can treat it like a computer because you think they'll confuse this thing with a desktop or a laptop? You don't think that they'll notice it doesn't have a DVD drive, that it's missing a keyboard?

You know, I've been in the Windows camp a long time, likely longer than you've been alive, and you're just trolling at this point. Might I suggest you go back to the other forums?

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally Posted by techs
You're missing the point. Or I didn't explain it well.
My point is that its not the Mac OS which is on all other Apple computers. Which it isn't.
It's a different Os, albeit one derived from their Mac Os. It doesn't do many of the things the Mac Os does, nor does it support programs that run on Mac Os.
So, to treat it like an Apple "computer" is erroneous. A purchaser may buy it expecting to put their Office or Quickbooks on it, but they can't.

So no one can treat it like a computer because you think they'll confuse this thing with a desktop or a laptop? You don't think that they'll notice it doesn't have a DVD drive, that it's missing a keyboard?


You know, I've been in the Windows camp a long time, likely longer than you've been alive, and you're just trolling at this point. Might I suggest you go back to the other forums?

Its pretty obvious what he's stating, hes pointing out that the OS is a phone OS not a traditional computer OS and that it comes with all the drawbacks of a phone OS.

How you can call that trolling I don't know.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Its pretty obvious what he's stating, hes pointing out that the OS is a phone OS not a traditional computer OS and that it comes with all the drawbacks of a phone OS.

How you can call that trolling I don't know.

Sigh, I'm sure someone somewhere will buy an iPad and expect it to run OSX desktop/laptop software.

I mean seriously, what's your point? Does anyone on the flipping planet with higher than a double digit IQ not know it runs a version of the iPhone OS?

To keep hammering the point is trolling.

Troll-someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community

Everyone is now well aware that the iPad doesn't run the full blown desktop/laptop OS, I promise 90% + of the posters in this forum are well aware of it. Seems techs is intent on splitting hairs he's actually pretty ignorant about, coming up with new definitions of computers, and learning the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad OS roots go back to OSX.

I remember well the screaming when GUI's came about, and how it'd never work, how it wasn't a real OS, hell, I actually bought installed Windows 286 and OS2 on my systems.

In the movies, wind is used as a hint that change is coming. The wind is blowing, maybe a "dumbing down" of OS interfaces is a bad thing, maybe not. When I see someone pressing a button that has a picture of a burger on the interface of a register at a burger joint, part of me dies inside, then again, I don't miss command line interfaces either.

I also remember the arguments that netbooks weren't real computers too, and they've essentially saved the PC industry in the last few years because Jack & Jill don't need to crunch multi layered spreadsheets at home, they want to watch YouTube, update their Facebook status, etc...

 

[WelshBloke]

Sigh, I'm sure someone somewhere will buy an iPad and expect it to run OSX desktop/laptop software.

I mean seriously, what's your point? Does anyone on the flipping planet with higher than a double digit IQ not know it runs a version of the iPhone OS?

To keep hammering the point is trolling.

Everyone is now well aware that the iPad doesn't run the full blown desktop/laptop OS, I promise 90% + of the posters in this forum are well aware of it. Seems techs is intent on splitting hairs he's actually pretty ignorant about, coming up with new definitions of computers, and learning the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad OS roots go back to OSX.

Every knows that yes, but they are just pointing out that that is a major flaw in a tablet, its fine for a phone.

I remember well the screaming when GUI's came about, and how it'd never work, how it wasn't a real OS, hell, I actually bought installed Windows 286 and OS2 on my systems.

In the movies, wind is used as a hint that change is coming. The wind is blowing, maybe a "dumbing down" of OS interfaces is a bad thing, maybe not. When I see someone pressing a button that has a picture of a burger on the interface of a register at a burger joint, part of me dies inside, then again, I don't miss command line interfaces either.

I also remember the arguments that netbooks weren't real computers too, and they've essentially saved the PC industry in the last few years because Jack & Jill don't need to crunch multi layered spreadsheets at home, they want to watch YouTube, update their Facebook status, etc...

Troll-someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community

You want to make an estimate on how much of your post fits that definition?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Every knows that

There's a reason there's a specific forum for Apple here, perhaps you need to find a sub forum more to your liking, I understand there are several Windows tablets out by Dell, HP, Asus, etc...

How many Apple products do you own? And why exactly are you here?

You obviously have no intention of buying an iPad, you run WM on your "smartphone" you game on your Windows based PC...

 

[WelshBloke]

There's a reason there's a specific forum for Apple here, perhaps you need to find a sub forum more to your liking, I understand there are several Windows tablets out by Dell, HP, Asus, etc...

How many Apple products do you own? And why exactly are you here?

You obviously have no intention of buying an iPad, you run WM on your "smartphone" you game on your Windows based PC...

Yeah its for discussing apple products, which everyone except you seems to be doing.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Yeah its for discussing apple products, which everyone except you seems to be doing.

Mac's iPad????????

/facepalm

I'm not seeing anything there that wouldn't work better on a laptop.

"We think we've got the goods. We think we've done it. Another thing we're excited about is that there's already 75m people who know how to use this because of how many iPhones and iPod touches we've shipped."

But the thing is Steve, they already have iPhones or iPod touches.

Thats what I thought from the pixel doubling shots, I was hoping I was wrong though.

I think Steve's jab at netbooks is going to be thrown straight back at him.

"We think we've got the goods. We think we've done it. Another thing we're excited about is that there's already 75m people who know how to use this because of how many iPhones and iPod touches we've shipped."

But the thing is Steve, they already have iPhones or iPod touches.

And OSX's retarded stepson of an OS.

How come if Apple spend ~$billion a year on R&D it took so long for this to come out?

Really where's the tech advancement from an iPod touch? Bigger screen/faster processor, same everything else.

Someone needs to 'shop a maxiPad into that photo. :twisted:

People always go on about the iPhone os and I think a post on Engadget summed it up for me.

Fair enough the iPhone was competing against other smartphones but the iPad is competing against laptops/netbooks/tablets all of which have 'proper os's' .

Yeah, you bring a lot to the table dude.

And you're calling me a troll?

 

[WelshBloke]

Yeah, you bring a lot to the table dude.

And you're calling me a troll?

No I was disagreeing with you calling Techs a troll.

All those posts were about the iPad, yours are about other members.

Look I know its hard for you that people disagree with you, maybe you should cool off and go for a walk or something.

🙄

 

[Pliablemoose]

No I was disagreeing with you calling Techs a troll.

All those posts were about the iPad, yours are about other members.


🙄

I'm calling you a troll too.

Why don't you just go back to the other forums?

I think mugs nailed it last year:

Yeah, it sounds like you should probably stick with Windows.

 

[TheRickRoller]

Sigh, I'm sure someone somewhere will buy an iPad and expect it to run OSX desktop/laptop software.

I mean seriously, what's your point? Does anyone on the flipping planet with higher than a double digit IQ not know it runs a version of the iPhone OS?

Everyone is now well aware that the iPad doesn't run the full blown desktop/laptop OS,

"Everyman" isn't going to know this. "Everyman" (mom, grandma, your little sister) will think that since its a "computer" they can use it just like that grey box sitting in the living room. The dweebs at bestbuy certainly aren't going to inform "everyman" about this. When "everyman" asks, "Hey can I do X on this just like on my pc/mac?", they will respond enthusiastically "Oh you bet it can! Even better than that outdated model!"

 

[WelshBloke]

r&d, and setting up the whole ipad media/ebook/apps infrastructure/ecosystem is not considered.
remember the crunchpad. announced at 200 dollars.. then 300, then 400 dollars, still vaporware, realities a b*tch.

Plus the profit margins in the OP arnt that outrageous anyway.

It is interesting to see the actual cost of components though.

 

[WelshBloke]

I bet that if Apple had used more expensive components and put OSX on it, basically used their laptop voodoo to make it sexy there wouldn't be half as many complaints.

A modbook made sexy would have been fantastic, they could have made a range.

Hell I'd have bought one of those.

I suppose the positive is there's a crap ton of tablets coming out at the mo.

 

[QueBert]

"Everyman" isn't going to know this. "Everyman" (mom, grandma, your little sister) will think that since its a "computer" they can use it just like that grey box sitting in the living room. The dweebs at bestbuy certainly aren't going to inform "everyman" about this. When "everyman" asks, "Hey can I do X on this just like on my pc/mac?", they will respond enthusiastically "Oh you bet it can! Even better than that outdated model!"

Aside from no Flash, you will be able to use it just like the gray box in the living room. I can do anything on my iPhone, I use it for a VNC, I make beats (studio quality) I can read PDF's, surf the web. chat with people on Yahoo, AIM, MSN, read emails. Use Google Maps, I have 100+ games on it, and countless utilities too. Are there things it can't do? Sure, but the person who doesn't know this, won't care. The iPad stock will do far more than somebody like my mom would ever need.

 

[djnsmith7]

Apple products have always been overpriced...this has never been a secret or hidden information...This new MaxiPad product is no different...

 

[techs]

I bet that if Apple had used more expensive components and put OSX on it, basically used their laptop voodoo to make it sexy there wouldn't be half as many complaints.

A modbook made sexy would have been fantastic, they could have made a range.

Hell I'd have bought one of those.

I suppose the positive is there's a crap ton of tablets coming out at the mo.

I agree. In fact, I have already spoken to a number of my customers who run a "dual" environment, Macs and PC's.
Contrary to what was said earlier, none of them knew the iPad didn't come with the Mac OS that they have on their current computers. They were surprised when I told them they couldn't put their current apps on an iPad.

Interestingly, most agreed with you, that they would have been interested in purchasing it if it was essentially a Tablet type PC, only from Apple running the Mac OS.

 

[Pliablemoose]

So techs, do you think the gen 1 iPad will be a commercial success?

 

[SunSamurai]

What the fuck? Apple is making a profit??

/alerts the internets

 

[Pliablemoose]

In case it got lost in the hubris:

Google Inc's new Nexus One smartphone, which retails for $529 without a service plan, is built from components that cost about $174, according to a research report.

According to a bill of materials (BOM) analysis by Brian Marshall of BroadPoint AmTech, the cost of goods inside Apple's 16GB Wi-Fi-only iPad totals $270.50. That figure includes a $10 line item dedicated to manufacturing, but doesn't include another $20 set aside for under-warranty service costs. Adding the latter makes Marshall's bottom-line total $290.50.

That gives Google a 67% profit on each N1, while the bottom of the line iPad nets Apple 46%.

Giving the iPad with 3G another $30 or so for the 3G hardware, nets Apple a 47% profit on the bottom of the line 3G iPad.

I found it very curious that Google chose to go with the industry standard profit margin on the Nexus One, (I want one BTW, I'm a long time TMobile customer, but I'm going to give them time to iron out the bugs a bit first, meanwhile I'm planning on using a G1 tethered to a Wifi iPad to avoid adding yet another monthly bill to the pile...)