How much does an F-22 cost? A SU-37?

[Martin]

I searched around, but couldn't find any info. I was wondering how much each of these 2 aircraft will go for approx.

 

[ToBeMe]

Approx. $83 Million each for the F-22's................

 

[Draco]

<< Approx. $83 Million each for the F-22's................ >>




And can you believe it - Newegg has them on backorder! DAMN

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

what he said, was about 4000 planes for 350billion, works out to 87.5 million each (for the f22)

 

[Martin]

cool, does anybody know anything about the Su-37?

 

[tcsenter]

<< cool, does anybody know anything about the Su-37? >>

Well, how much is a sack of potatoes and a case of Vodka (the standard wage for Russian aerospace workers)?

 

[crypticlogin]

They say about $35million. They generalize for all of the SU-3x though.

 

[Martin]

<<

<< cool, does anybody know anything about the Su-37? >>

Well, how much is a sack of potatoes and a case of Vodka (the standard wage for Russian aerospace workers)? >>



My friend told me that vodka goes for ~ $.5/shot and marijuana for ~$1/joint....but that's in bulgaria, not russia.

 

[charrison]

BrunoPuntzJones,

I think you are quoting numbers from jsf. I think jsf are only about 40million a copy.

 

[Heisenberg]

<< Approx. $83 Million each for the F-22's................ >>



It's always reassuring to know we spend more on one airplane than the entire GDP of most nations. I love this country.

 

[amok]

Heisenberg, I've always wondered how much it really costs to build some of these planes. As far as raw materials and manhours.

 

[Bluga]

The Russians has better technology, they just don't have the money.

 

[aphex]

are you interested in purchasing these or something?

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

<< The Russians has better technology, they just don't have the money. >>

last article i read said it would take 20 years for any country to be able to go from design to production to get an aircraft to the level of the f22. gov hype? maybe, i dunno, it sounded nice though (was from a pent. interview). i assume they are talking about completeness, as the 37 can probably out fly it at close range. i ran across the article again tonight and wish i could find it again. the guy seemed real proud of the aircraft




<< BrunoPuntzJones,

I think you are quoting numbers from jsf. I think jsf are only about 40million a copy. >>



yup, i went back and looked. the f22 is only supposed to account for about 700 aircraft, that 4000 number included the f22, f18 super hornet, and the jsf. my mistake, thanks for pointing it out found 2 different places this time both saying 71 mil an aircraft.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

well damnit, i just closed it before i had the page, ill grab it tomorrow. i copied the words to paste here then closed the browser :|
anyways, was interesting (this was from an article on the su37)



<< Still, a true, fielded Russian counterpart to the F-22 could be as much as 20 years away, said a top Pentagon official. Even if a program were to be launched immediately, it would still take "about seven years" to construct such an airplane, he said, followed by "12 to 15 years to test and bring it to IOC [Initial Operational Capability]." There's no indication that the required cash is available. The program "is pretty chaotic," he added.

China is working on an airplane reminiscent of the F-22 and French Rafale, called the X-X-J or F-12, but analysts said it is too soon to even guess when it will fly, let alone enter service. "All our previous estimates of how fast they can develop something have been too generous," an industry analyst said.

Still, the Chinese are poised to begin production of a significant new airplane, called the F-10. This fighter, which strongly resembles the aborted Israeli-American Lavi project of the 1980s, is expected to replace large quantities of 1960s- and 1970s-vintage MiG-19s and MiG-21s in Chinese service.

The F-10 will be indigenously produced and may even be offered for export once production gears up. It is "an open secret" one analyst said, that Israel has assisted China in the development of the F-10 and that it is in fact based on the canceled Lavi. The airplane will be comparable to the Air Force F-16 Block 30 and should be in service by 2005. Experts think China plans to build about 500 F-10s in its initial version. >>

 

[yakko]

<< Heisenberg, I've always wondered how much it really costs to build some of these planes. As far as raw materials and manhours. >>

The planes are not that expensive. It is all the electronics that go into them that raise the cost.

 

[Bluga]

<< << Still, a true, fielded Russian counterpart to the F-22 could be as much as 20 years away, said a top Pentagon official. >>



that's funny indeed. Almost all military experts outside U.S. agree Su-37 is a more advanced aircraft than F-22. If you look at the techinical fact sheet, Su-37 excel in almost all areas, not to mention it can land of carriers too. In sum, S-37 = F-22 + JSF.

Again, its all about money.

 

[Tominator]

<< The Russians has better technology, they just don't have the money. >>



To compare the two is folly.

Communism has a completely different way of funding and is basically unlimited in it's budget. They decide on what they want and go and try to build it. No competition, no politicians wanting there constituants a share of the funding to cite an example or two.

Russia spent it's way into oblivion.

You cannot compare an aircraft based solely on it's performance. Never can and never will. It is the support and training that makes one system better or worse and not airframe performance.

All aircraft, regardless of who makes it, have problems that may keep it grounded or by improvement continue to make it a better platform. In that respect the US has no equal!

You cannot assign a cost to the SU-37.

 

[EXman]

<< The Russians has better technology, they just don't have the money. >>



engines yes avionics no they borrow all our stuff.

and engine technology stemmed from chruchill giving Stalin one of their jet engines post WWII.

they would be nowhere w/o western technology

 

[ToBeMe]

No matter how you look at it, the SU-37 is at best 15 years away and that's if the funding is available to manufacture more than a few. Yes, in some areas the SU-37 is more capable, but it also lags far behing in others. Another fact to be drawn here, is does anyone actually believe the F-22, JSF, etc. are all the U.S. has as far as developement???? In 15 - 20 years I think you will be very suprised as to what the U.S. has in the way of fighter aircraft! BTW.......when do a lot of you think the first F-117 flew???????

 

[thebestMAX]

Most Russian fighters used perform well due to lighter weight and good engines. They didnt feel protection for the pilot (armor)was a big thing.

 

[Zuph]

I have a friend who's boss owns a couple Mig's. They're fairly old, but who cares, it's a Mig.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Communism has a completely different way of funding and is basically unlimited in it's budget. They decide on what they want and go and try to build it.

Sounds exactly like SDI, Bradley, and plenty of other boondoggle US DOD projects. On-time and within-budget haven't meant anything to the defense complex in decades. At least communist have to worry about running out of money. We can always use the excuse that we can make money selling weapons to others . . . communists aren't nearly as good at it.

No competition, no politicians wanting there constituants a share of the funding to cite an example or two.

Anybody with half a brain knows our competitions aren't truly competitive b/c even during the wild days of the 80s there was a limited cohort of companies that could execute a particular project. Furthermore, the government often actively colluded to maintain the defense industry base. Basically distributing the cost throughout the society while the gain was realized a few . . . anticommunism at its best.

 

[Emos]

<< BTW.......when do a lot of you think the first F-117 flew??????? >>


The Air Force probably had prototypes flying as early as the late '70s.

 

[CocaCola5]

SU-37