How much are 2010 Camaros in your area (assuming you checked)?

[StageLeft]

I did check a Chevy dealer yesterday. They had their first SS on the lot, sold. Said some others will start trickling in now. Apparently they want "one thousand over sticker" for the V6s and $1500 for V8s. I am not sure how they sell over sticker, by this I presume he meant over MSRP. He said there are no incentives on the car, and that they even have incentives on Corvettes. Another guy said he has about five orders on SS's but will have only three arrive this month.

I've only seen one on the road. Some tricked up orange one, it really did look nice. I can't personally get over the EPA of 29 highway (according to Chevy brochure...25 mpg for the V8) in a 304 horsepower car for the V6. That is just absolutely phenomenal. I presume it's on 87, too.

 

[Arkaign]

304hp at nearly two tons is not exactly awe-inspiring. Not a bad-looking car though. You'd have to be insane to buy one right out of the gate though, wait 6 months to a year, and you'll see much better prices and selection.

EDIT : The V6 LS model starts at $22.9k, which is the price of a Cobalt SS, which happens to run rings (no pun intended) around the V6 Camaro. I'm not a fan of the cobalt interior or styling, but $/performance, it still rules the roost, AFAIK.

 

[postmortemIA]

those will sell $4000 off sticker by end of year...

 

[potato28]

Haven't checked, but they have a bunch just sitting in the parking lot at the dealer down the road.

 

[ponyo]

New Camaros are too expensive IMO. But I guess you can say that for most new cars today.

 

[Engineer]

Considering that 14,000 were on order before the 1st one was produced, it's not surprising (at least right now). That will change pretty quickly in my opinion.

 

[KevinCU]

I was actually looking to purchase a new Camaro 2SS but I've decided to look for a 2003 Z06. Much better performance at nearly half the price.

 

[JulesMaximus]

This car hit the market at exactly the wrong time...it is doomed to fail.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
This car hit the market at exactly the wrong time...it is doomed to fail.

Not GM's fault the market tanked, worst timing ever for that to happen to them. Hopefully it doesn't fail though, because I want one but have no money to buy one right now (or any car for that matter).

 

[Fenixgoon]

haven't seen any yet. not many challengers in the area, even (philly)

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: KevinCU
I was actually looking to purchase a new Camaro 2SS but I've decided to look for a 2003 Z06. Much better performance at nearly half the price.

Good move

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KevinCU
I was actually looking to purchase a new Camaro 2SS but I've decided to look for a 2003 Z06. Much better performance at nearly half the price.

Good move

Meh, depends on what you're going for. I'd personally go for the Camaro having owned the vette. If you get one make sure it's low mileage.


Edit: not bashing the Corvette, I loved mine for a lot of things, but there was lots of small maintenance that had to be done. Newer GM's have a much higher build quality and nice interior that I would probably be willing to trade the handling performance for. But YMMV.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
haven't seen any yet. not many challengers in the area, even (philly)

i've seen one at the parking lot at my work place in south jersey. the butt is too high in my opinion

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KevinCU
I was actually looking to purchase a new Camaro 2SS but I've decided to look for a 2003 Z06. Much better performance at nearly half the price.

Good move

Meh, depends on what you're going for. I'd personally go for the Camaro having owned the vette. If you get one make sure it's low mileage.


Edit: not bashing the Corvette, I loved mine for a lot of things, but there was lots of small maintenance that had to be done. Newer GM's have a much higher build quality and nice interior that I would probably be willing to trade the handling performance for. But YMMV.

It's a lot more than just handling performance.

2003 Z06

3100lbs, 405hp, 400tq (7.6lbs/hp)
0-60 4.1 seconds
1/4 mile 12.9 @ 113mph

2010 Camaro SS

3850lbs, 420hp, 408tq (9.2lbs/hp)
0-60 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile 13.0 @ 111mph

Even with less power, the C5 Z06 still aces the acceleration tests, and with a tremendously lower amount of weight, will chew the SS to shreds in handling. Modifying the LS6 is not a huge challenge either, and with a lower weight than the Camaro will ever see, pay off more as well.

It bears repeating though, the 2010 SS Interior should be of a higher quality (even if the design is that odd faux-retro crap), and it's easier to get better deals financing a new car. Also to be considered is the new car warranty and so on.

For a daily driver, the Camaro might make more sense. For pure performance considerations, or if the car will see light duty as a weekend warrior, the Vette wins in spades.

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: KevinCU
I was actually looking to purchase a new Camaro 2SS but I've decided to look for a 2003 Z06. Much better performance at nearly half the price.

You are 18 and in college (or was?), how can you afford a Z06

 

[SparkyJJO]

I still think it is amazing the Camaro SS with only 15 more HP and 8 more ft/lb torque is only .1 seconds and 2mph behind the 03 vette z06 that weighs 750 (!!!) pounds less.

Now I need to go check 2009 Vette with 2010 Camaro SS ratings.

 

[KevinCU]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KevinCU
I was actually looking to purchase a new Camaro 2SS but I've decided to look for a 2003 Z06. Much better performance at nearly half the price.

Good move

Meh, depends on what you're going for. I'd personally go for the Camaro having owned the vette. If you get one make sure it's low mileage.


Edit: not bashing the Corvette, I loved mine for a lot of things, but there was lots of small maintenance that had to be done. Newer GM's have a much higher build quality and nice interior that I would probably be willing to trade the handling performance for. But YMMV.

It's a lot more than just handling performance.

2003 Z06

3100lbs, 405hp, 400tq (7.6lbs/hp)
0-60 4.1 seconds
1/4 mile 12.9 @ 113mph

2010 Camaro SS

3850lbs, 420hp, 408tq (9.2lbs/hp)
0-60 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile 13.0 @ 111mph

Even with less power, the C5 Z06 still aces the acceleration tests, and with a tremendously lower amount of weight, will chew the SS to shreds in handling. Modifying the LS6 is not a huge challenge either, and with a lower weight than the Camaro will ever see, pay off more as well.

It bears repeating though, the 2010 SS Interior should be of a higher quality (even if the design is that odd faux-retro crap), and it's easier to get better deals financing a new car. Also to be considered is the new car warranty and so on.

For a daily driver, the Camaro might make more sense. For pure performance considerations, or if the car will see light duty as a weekend warrior, the Vette wins in spades.

That would be the main reason I plan on purchasing one (I drive an 03 Mustang as my DD, fully paid off). Currently I'm trying to land a steady job close to my university so that I can make the payments on the 'vette. I've found a few 02/03 Z06's with sub 35k miles for 19-24k.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
I still think it is amazing the Camaro SS with only 15 more HP and 8 more ft/lb torque is only .1 seconds and 2mph behind the 03 vette z06 that weighs 750 (!!!) pounds less.

Now I need to go check 2009 Vette with 2010 Camaro SS ratings.

I've seen C5 Z06 stock running mid to low 12s in the 1/4, and 0-60 is usually at least half a second faster than what's been said of the Camaro.

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2227.shtml

4.1 seconds

http://www.caranddriver.com/re...provements+page-2.html

4.3 seconds

http://www.motortrend.com/road...z06/miscellaneous.html

4.07 seconds

All of the Camaro SS testing that I've seen show the 0-60 to be faster with the automatic (4.6 seconds) than the manual (4.8 seconds). Both are notably slower than the usual times yielded by C5 Z06. Also note the nearly 71mph slalom speed on the C5 Z06, a FAR cry from the 66.8mph that the SS runs.

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: KevinCU

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KevinCU
I was actually looking to purchase a new Camaro 2SS but I've decided to look for a 2003 Z06. Much better performance at nearly half the price.

Good move

Meh, depends on what you're going for. I'd personally go for the Camaro having owned the vette. If you get one make sure it's low mileage.


Edit: not bashing the Corvette, I loved mine for a lot of things, but there was lots of small maintenance that had to be done. Newer GM's have a much higher build quality and nice interior that I would probably be willing to trade the handling performance for. But YMMV.

It's a lot more than just handling performance.

2003 Z06

3100lbs, 405hp, 400tq (7.6lbs/hp)
0-60 4.1 seconds
1/4 mile 12.9 @ 113mph

2010 Camaro SS

3850lbs, 420hp, 408tq (9.2lbs/hp)
0-60 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile 13.0 @ 111mph

Even with less power, the C5 Z06 still aces the acceleration tests, and with a tremendously lower amount of weight, will chew the SS to shreds in handling. Modifying the LS6 is not a huge challenge either, and with a lower weight than the Camaro will ever see, pay off more as well.

It bears repeating though, the 2010 SS Interior should be of a higher quality (even if the design is that odd faux-retro crap), and it's easier to get better deals financing a new car. Also to be considered is the new car warranty and so on.

For a daily driver, the Camaro might make more sense. For pure performance considerations, or if the car will see light duty as a weekend warrior, the Vette wins in spades.

That would be the main reason I plan on purchasing one (I drive an 03 Mustang as my DD, fully paid off). Currently I'm trying to land a steady job close to my university so that I can make the payments on the 'vette. I've found a few 02/03 Z06's with sub 35k miles for 19-24k.

Then that is the right choice, if you get one check up under the front lip, air dam, and the rocker panels for scrapes, that usually gives you a good idea on how they've been driven. Look on corvetteforum.com and find one being sold by a reputable member, you'll likely find a great deal.

The LS6 is pretty nicely modifiable (though the LS3 is better) and you'll probably be able to find a nice cammed out one for right around that price. Such as this. It's a buyers market right now and you should be able to work out a bit lower price to keep it where you want.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
This car hit the market at exactly the wrong time...it is doomed to fail.

Not GM's fault the market tanked, worst timing ever for that to happen to them. Hopefully it doesn't fail though, because I want one but have no money to buy one right now (or any car for that matter).

It's also how you look at it. Perhaps people that would have normally bought a 'vette will go for the Camaro instead to save money. It has the same motor anyway, and it looks pretty stunning IMO.

Plus there's also the fact that gas has come way down.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
I still think it is amazing the Camaro SS with only 15 more HP and 8 more ft/lb torque is only .1 seconds and 2mph behind the 03 vette z06 that weighs 750 (!!!) pounds less.

Now I need to go check 2009 Vette with 2010 Camaro SS ratings.

I've seen C5 Z06 stock running mid to low 12s in the 1/4, and 0-60 is usually at least half a second faster than what's been said of the Camaro.

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2227.shtml

4.1 seconds

http://www.caranddriver.com/re...provements+page-2.html

4.3 seconds

http://www.motortrend.com/road...z06/miscellaneous.html

4.07 seconds

All of the Camaro SS testing that I've seen show the 0-60 to be faster with the automatic (4.6 seconds) than the manual (4.8 seconds). Both are notably slower than the usual times yielded by C5 Z06. Also note the nearly 71mph slalom speed on the C5 Z06, a FAR cry from the 66.8mph that the SS runs.

Don't defend the corvette vs the Camaro with me, I know the Vette is still superior The slalom speed and 0-60 isn't a surprise, considering weight difference. My only point was for how much heavier the Camaro is, it still does pretty well.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
304hp at nearly two tons is not exactly awe-inspiring.

agree x eleventybillion


What were they thinking??

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
304hp at nearly two tons is not exactly awe-inspiring. Not a bad-looking car though. You'd have to be insane to buy one right out of the gate though, wait 6 months to a year, and you'll see much better prices and selection.

EDIT : The V6 LS model starts at $22.9k, which is the price of a Cobalt SS, which happens to run rings (no pun intended) around the V6 Camaro. I'm not a fan of the cobalt interior or styling, but $/performance, it still rules the roost, AFAIK.

Yeah, isn't it amazing how GM pumps so much money into a car no one can really afford when a better idea would be to face lift, restyle and pump up real performance cars such as the Cobalt?

Why are we bailing these incompetents out again?

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
This car hit the market at exactly the wrong time...it is doomed to fail.

GM already has failed, why couldn't we let them reboot themselves properly?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Don't defend the corvette vs the Camaro with me, I know the Vette is still superior The slalom speed and 0-60 isn't a surprise, considering weight difference. My only point was for how much heavier the Camaro is, it still does pretty well.

That's true, and it's not fair to compare a Vette to a Camaro in most ways. From a roll, they are pretty close, looking at the 1/4 trap speeds. And the Camaro also grips pretty well, meaning that it holds corners well, it's just that the weight makes full direction changes at speed more cumbersome, which rears its ugly head in the slalom speeds.

For the $$, comparing new cars to new cars, the Camaro does just fine. It's just that if someone has the cash, and wants a seriously fast car, a used Vette may make more sense than a new Camaro, but it all HEAVILY depends on the person we're talking about, and what they want/need/can afford.

It's one thing to have a new car with a low interest loan, a warranty, and be pretty well taken care of, it's quite another to throw a bunch of $ on a used performance car, and that kind of buyer really needs to know what they're getting in to. A used Vette won't be a money pit like a used AMG or M car, but it's not like they won't need TLC and replacement parts along the way.

I'm just trying to bring all the aspects into play here

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Don't defend the corvette vs the Camaro with me, I know the Vette is still superior The slalom speed and 0-60 isn't a surprise, considering weight difference. My only point was for how much heavier the Camaro is, it still does pretty well.

That's true, and it's not fair to compare a Vette to a Camaro in most ways. From a roll, they are pretty close, looking at the 1/4 trap speeds. And the Camaro also grips pretty well, meaning that it holds corners well, it's just that the weight makes full direction changes at speed more cumbersome, which rears its ugly head in the slalom speeds.

For the $$, comparing new cars to new cars, the Camaro does just fine. It's just that if someone has the cash, and wants a seriously fast car, a used Vette may make more sense than a new Camaro, but it all HEAVILY depends on the person we're talking about, and what they want/need/can afford.

It's one thing to have a new car with a low interest loan, a warranty, and be pretty well taken care of, it's quite another to throw a bunch of $ on a used performance car, and that kind of buyer really needs to know what they're getting in to. A used Vette won't be a money pit like a used AMG or M car, but it's not like they won't need TLC and replacement parts along the way.

I'm just trying to bring all the aspects into play here

I'm amazed a group of people on ATOT can agree on difference about cars without it turning into a pissing match.