It's not like it was a person-killing decision. The effects of his lies were embarresment, the whole matter wasn't really anything important. If he'd lied about killing someone, or lied about doing something that had serious consequences (like peoples deaths), then it might have been serious misjudgement for people to say he hadn't done anything wrong, but all that he did was lie about something that is of little importance, and it seems the senate accepted that.
If Clinton got a blow job and ejaculated, just what did he do wrong? I want some of that wrong, too. 
-Robert
-Robert
Well, adultery *is* wrong, but the person who had the right to nail his ass for it was his wife, not the Republicans on their witch hunt. Nevertheless, he DID do something wrong when he LIED under oath, for which you or I would have gone to jail or been fined heavily. He SHOULD have been convicted of that charge, given that there was no question he was guilty, even *he* admitted it.
As for Sodomy being wrong, no, not really. A little gross, IMHO, but I don't see anything *wrong* with it as long as the participants are consenting adults. I have no right to tell another person what they can and can't do sexually with another consenting adult.
And where did the Sodomy thing come from? I don't recall hearing he had banged her butt, just that he had diddled her with a cigar and she'd sucked him off. Did I miss a bit?
Jason
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It depends on your definition of "is"
We deserved better public & private behavior from a sitting president.
His footnote in the history books will be that he was lucky enough to be president during an economic boom, couldn't keep his pants zipped up & lied under oath about it.
We deserved better public & private behavior from a sitting president.
His footnote in the history books will be that he was lucky enough to be president during an economic boom, couldn't keep his pants zipped up & lied under oath about it.
well for the record..
i contribute more to charity than you probably make in income (if you make any)
i provide hundreds of thousands of dollars in free medical care (would you go to work all day for no pay?)
i pay huge amounts of tax (do you pay any)
i pay my debts, i support my family, i'm faithful to my wife.
you sir would do well to follow my example (oh if only you could)
I'm sure that many if not all of those 55 against votes were not based on a belief that "he didn't do anything wrong", but rather that the offense was not of a grave enough magnitude to merit removal from office.
For a little context, if a normal citizen was caught lying under oath with the same evidence, most District Attourneys wouldn't even bother to prosecute the case. I've seen footage of President Bush jaywalking. That's breaking the law, I suppose he should be impeached and removed from office for jaywalking. Granted, lying about one's personal life under oath is worse than jaywalking, but it is closer to that end of the spectrum than it is to say murder or treason. Lying to Congress about the reasons for war, when it is Congress' authority and responsibility to declare war, is further towards the bad end of the spectrum, IMO, but perhaps still not aggregious enough to merit removal from office. If the Democrats had the numbers required in the House, don't think for a second they wouldn't have impeached Bush already.
By voting on the side of sanity rather than with the neocon lynch mob, the Republican Senators who did not follow the party line probably earned a few more years of relatively fillibuster free Senate activity (goodwill which appears to have dissipated as of late). The problem with childish partisan politics in the Senate is that without a fillibuster proof majority, a single pissed off senator can potentially shut down Congress indefinitely. That traditionally forces the Senators to be a little more respectful of each other and more amenable to logical compromises.
For a little context, if a normal citizen was caught lying under oath with the same evidence, most District Attourneys wouldn't even bother to prosecute the case. I've seen footage of President Bush jaywalking. That's breaking the law, I suppose he should be impeached and removed from office for jaywalking. Granted, lying about one's personal life under oath is worse than jaywalking, but it is closer to that end of the spectrum than it is to say murder or treason. Lying to Congress about the reasons for war, when it is Congress' authority and responsibility to declare war, is further towards the bad end of the spectrum, IMO, but perhaps still not aggregious enough to merit removal from office. If the Democrats had the numbers required in the House, don't think for a second they wouldn't have impeached Bush already.
By voting on the side of sanity rather than with the neocon lynch mob, the Republican Senators who did not follow the party line probably earned a few more years of relatively fillibuster free Senate activity (goodwill which appears to have dissipated as of late). The problem with childish partisan politics in the Senate is that without a fillibuster proof majority, a single pissed off senator can potentially shut down Congress indefinitely. That traditionally forces the Senators to be a little more respectful of each other and more amenable to logical compromises.
the GOP is just happy he cant run again, they know he would smoke anyone they put up against him.....
Originally posted by: josphII
Originally posted by: Dman877
Depends on your culture and beliefs.
Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Lying used to be wrong.
Clinton lied about getting some on the side, GWB twisted the truth to kill thousands and earn billions for his campaign contributers and powerful corporate allies. Make your own judgement. Something to consider, the rest of the world laughed at the republicans who impeached Bill and they are now truly scared of the current administration.
i read something like this and i cant help but think how much of a disconnect democrats have with reality. no wonder its been all downhill for them since 1998 (or whatever year it was that they lost control of the senate and house)
but what really boggles the mind is how he was found not guilty. i mean surely he purgered himself and obstructed justice, but for 55 senators to blantantly disregard the law and to say that he in fact did not commit purgery or obstruct justice is truely pathetic
should he have been removed from office? maybe, maybe not - but he was guilty as charged
That you can read the paragraph above yours and ignore its ramifications and talk about disconnects is appalling, and ironic.
I dont believe a word of it. I have never known anyone that does good works to brag or use their good deeds to beat others over the head to prove that they are superior human beings. It would be impossible to do what you posted (work all day for no pay) and still pay huge amounts of income tax. How do you make money if you work all day for no pay, I know, you work as a greeter at WallMart in the evenings.
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