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how many points has the stock market jumped since Obama took office?

Firebot

Golden Member
2000?

Strange, the Republican sheep were blaming Obama for the drop in the stock market, where are they now when the stock market is actually higher since when Obama took office😕? What happened to using the same logic when the reverse is happening?



DJIA on 1/20/2009: 7949.09

DJIA on 05/08/2009: 8574.65

I would have bumped the other thread but it was locked 😛.
 
It's because the people that were blaming Obama for the market conditions were morons and ultra-partisans. If you'll notice in the last day or so some of the same 'Obama bear market' media figures are now attacking him for putting mustard on a burger instead of ketchup. It's what they do.

Obama has been in office for 4 months and the economic related bills he has passed have been in effect for about 2 months. I'm sure the government intervention with the banks and such is some of the reason for the rebound in the Dow, but I'm willing to bet that most of it is due to external factors that Obama has had no effect on whatsoever. That does make me want to go find the old thread though and see what geniuses complained about it. Who wants to bet that those guys will now say that the market rebounded on its own? (When the market goes down it's Obama's fault, when the market goes up it's due to the amazing power of the free market)
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
It's because the people that were blaming Obama for the market conditions were morons and ultra-partisans. If you'll notice in the last day or so some of the same 'Obama bear market' media figures are now attacking him for putting mustard on a burger instead of ketchup. It's what they do.

Obama has been in office for 4 months and the economic related bills he has passed have been in effect for about 2 months. I'm sure the government intervention with the banks and such is some of the reason for the rebound in the Dow, but I'm willing to bet that most of it is due to external factors that Obama has had no effect on whatsoever. That does make me want to go find the old thread though and see what geniuses complained about it. Who wants to bet that those guys will now say that the market rebounded on its own? (When the market goes down it's Obama's fault, when the market goes up it's due to the amazing power of the free market)

QFT, the real lasting effect Obama has had is on the gun/ammo market. (Although his budget and deficits scare me 🙁)
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well he's got a ways to go to beat Bush's 14k mark.

In a real or fraud economy (like Bush's)?

IDK, the last few months has been an awesome opportunity in the markets. Pick any stock in early Mar, and its way up from the lows. Making more more money in the Obama bounce than in the Bush smoke and mirrors economy.

If/when it does eventually claw back up, anything purchased now is going to be worth a mint (assuming you managed to keep your job and didn't stuff yourself into a too big house.) This may be the best buying opportunity in decades.
 
well, when you put 1.5 Trillion into boost up the fires the stock market better react. 14K mark? Yeah, let's inflate the house market 500% and see if we can crash it. That is EXACTLY what we don't want to do.



 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well he's got a ways to go to beat Bush's 14k mark.

Bush came into office with the Dow at 10,584, he left office with the Dow at 7,949. When adjusted for inflation the Dow actually ended Bush's term at 6662 or so. Who cares if it went up 33% in the middle if by the end you are down 37%?

If Obama can have the Dow end up in positive territory by the end of his term, he will have already outdone Bush in spades.
 
Originally posted by: Bitek
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well he's got a ways to go to beat Bush's 14k mark.

In a real or fraud economy (like Bush's)?

IDK, the last few months has been an awesome opportunity in the markets. Pick any stock in early Mar, and its way up from the lows. Making more more money in the Obama bounce than in the Bush smoke and mirrors economy.

If/when it does eventually claw back up, anything purchased now is going to be worth a mint (assuming you managed to keep your job and didn't stuff yourself into a too big house.) This may be the best buying opportunity in decades.

ot sure what you mean by a fruad economy, and frankly it doesnt matter. It was what it was. It reached 14k AFTER Clintons tech buble burst, so whatever.

Oh and I agree. I bought a shitload in Sept-Dec, and increased my 401k. Its a great time to buy.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well he's got a ways to go to beat Bush's 14k mark.

Bush came into office with the Dow at 10,584, he left office with the Dow at 7,949. When adjusted for inflation the Dow actually ended Bush's term at 6662 or so. Who cares if it went up 33% in the middle if by the end you are down 37%?

If Obama can have the Dow end up in positive territory by the end of his term, he will have already outdone Bush in spades.

If start/end is the only measure, sure. Not spades, but sure. Bush recovered from Clinton's puffed up tech bubble, so now Obama can recover from the housing bubble. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Bitek
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well he's got a ways to go to beat Bush's 14k mark.

In a real or fraud economy (like Bush's)?

IDK, the last few months has been an awesome opportunity in the markets. Pick any stock in early Mar, and its way up from the lows. Making more more money in the Obama bounce than in the Bush smoke and mirrors economy.

If/when it does eventually claw back up, anything purchased now is going to be worth a mint (assuming you managed to keep your job and didn't stuff yourself into a too big house.) This may be the best buying opportunity in decades.

ot sure what you mean by a fruad economy, and frankly it doesnt matter. It was what it was. It reached 14k AFTER Clintons tech buble burst, so whatever.

Oh and I agree. I bought a shitload in Sept-Dec, and increased my 401k. Its a great time to buy.

By fraud economy he means the sub-prime mortgage bubble. It's easy to get a high DOW with an unsustainable economic model.
 
Originally posted by: Bitek
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well he's got a ways to go to beat Bush's 14k mark.

In a real or fraud economy (like Bush's)?

IDK, the last few months has been an awesome opportunity in the markets. Pick any stock in early Mar, and its way up from the lows. Making more more money in the Obama bounce than in the Bush smoke and mirrors economy.

If/when it does eventually claw back up, anything purchased now is going to be worth a mint (assuming you managed to keep your job and didn't stuff yourself into a too big house.) This may be the best buying opportunity in decades.

One question is, what specifically - there are broad (e.g. S&P 500) index funds, secor funds, international vs. domestic, small cap large cap mid cap etc. funds.
 
Oh boo hoo hoo, when Clinton left office the Dow stood at 12,000, GWB at one time pushed the Dow up to 14,000, a two trillion dollar expansion of the US economy that only cost an additional four trillion dollar expansion of the US national debt. Long before Obama was inaugurated saw a crash in the Dow.

The only thing remotely comparable was the Dow crash following the start of the the Great Depression when unemployment fed on itself, and went from 6% to 12%, and from 12% to 25%. The fact that this is not yet happening and the bleeding is gradually reducing is the far more important metric to look at with the usual *, If you ignore the fact that Obama policies are reducing the damage, its even easier to ignore the fact that GWB policies broke it.
 
Meh, has about as much to do with Obama when it goes up as it did when it went down. Doesn't stop the partisan hacks on either side from taking advantage of these situations, though.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Bitek
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well he's got a ways to go to beat Bush's 14k mark.

In a real or fraud economy (like Bush's)?

IDK, the last few months has been an awesome opportunity in the markets. Pick any stock in early Mar, and its way up from the lows. Making more more money in the Obama bounce than in the Bush smoke and mirrors economy.

If/when it does eventually claw back up, anything purchased now is going to be worth a mint (assuming you managed to keep your job and didn't stuff yourself into a too big house.) This may be the best buying opportunity in decades.

ot sure what you mean by a fruad economy, and frankly it doesnt matter. It was what it was. It reached 14k AFTER Clintons tech buble burst, so whatever.

Oh and I agree. I bought a shitload in Sept-Dec, and increased my 401k. Its a great time to buy.
I hate to do it, but you've been saying that all the way down before the DOW was even close to 10k, about how only fools were selling, and it has since dropped thousands of more points, you know 🙂

Now may be an ok time to buy. It is not great because 14k was fantasy land, it had no merit in earnings or real value. Stocks are far more close now to their truth worth than they were at 14k. They are by no means whatsoever undervalued now in any capacity or sense or shape.

 
Originally posted by: Bitek
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well he's got a ways to go to beat Bush's 14k mark.

In a real or fraud economy (like Bush's)?

Well, it's not like we are building up a real economy. We're just inflating more air into the fraudulent economy.
 
Originally posted by: Slew Foot
in a sense this is a fraud economy too, propped up by trillions in deficit spending

Exactly.

And if anyone cares to answer, how is our stock market doing compared to others? How is our dollar doing?
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Oh boo hoo hoo, when Clinton left office the Dow stood at 12,000

Not even close. More like ~10,500. The dot-com crash had already begun when Clinton left office, and continued into Bush's first term. Bush inherited a declining economy just like Obama did.
 
Some of what is going on is BS, and some of it is real stabilization, even if its just mostly psychological atm. Half of the cynics say the the stimulus package hasn't done anything as it hasn't even begun to be spent yet, and the other cynical half say its trillions of dollars of deficit spending (which have yet to be spent then...other than Bush's TARP?) Not sure how you reconcile those two...

Regardless, I don't think everything is fairly valued when you've got a slew of stocks that are off 90%+ off their highs a year ago and have nothing to do with mortgages, banks, housing or the rest of this mess. Not everything is following the fundamentals. Things will come back, panic is subsiding, and the markets will move back up. Maybe not to their inflated highs under the housing boom, but 6500 (as in March) is not the proper place for the Dow either. One example of a stock I was watching, $14 stock in 2008, pretty stable. Falls like a rock oct/nov, falls again w/ the market in Mar to $0.38. Its back up to $2.25 Going back to $14 soon? Not likely, but a few $$ in a year or two? We'll see. Its hard not to find a stock that followed this trend. It will be hard not to pick winners long term.

Tons of people freaked out, cashed out of mutual funds and 401Ks and many positions were sold irrationally or under duress to maintain liquidity. Some will make out like geniuses if they were the first to get out, and get back in before the recovery. The much larger number of people will have sold off way too late, and will fret and not jump back in until much of the recovery has occurred and everything seems safe, ie when all the gains are over. They will have locked in the losses they would have never had had they just held fast and not sold anything.

I can't imagine history won't write that the significant intervention by the gov't staunched much of the bleeding. Was it the most effective way to do it? IDK, only time will tell, everyone else is FOS. The deficits are a huge problem, but revenues are way way down too, and they are not likely to get better if nothing was done.

I'm giving obama a pass on the deficits for a year or two, but after some decent recovery has occurred, we will have to face some major decisions about the budget and what the national priorities are. I'm talking hitting the big 3 in the budget that really acct for the bulk of the spending: Medicare, SS and defense. Given the lampooning & pushback to even the modest cuts to obviously useless programs Obama announced this week, I have serious doubts of the political will to do it. It will take a budgetary crisis to get Congress to move off their ass (ie a couple of $1T budgets passed before a looming election season.) I think/hope Obama knows this and letting them drive themselves to the edge of the cliff before they are willing to make a turn.
 
Originally posted by: Firebot
2000?

Strange, the Republican sheep were blaming Obama for the drop in the stock market, where are they now when the stock market is actually higher since when Obama took office😕? What happened to using the same logic when the reverse is happening?



DJIA on 1/20/2009: 7949.09

DJIA on 05/08/2009: 8574.65

I would have bumped the other thread but it was locked 😛.
Nice math fail. $627.56!=$2000.
 
I am not sure how much credit one can give Obama for this increase.

The increase is more a sign of a stabilizing economy than a sign Obama is making the right moves.

When the stock market passes its Bush highs then let me know.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am not sure how much credit one can give Obama for this increase.

The increase is more a sign of a stabilizing economy than a sign Obama is making the right moves.

When the stock market passes its Bush highs then let me know.

From the day he went into office to the day he left it, Bush presided over a nearly 40% decline in the real value of the Dow. That's simply catastrophic. Why would we want Obama to measure up to his performance?

The thing here is the same as I said before. Obama's policies at this point could only have played a relatively small part in the stock market rally of the past month or so. There are fiscal and banking policies he's put into place that seem to have helped, he seems to have restored confidence to the economy, but that only does so much. In this case the rally shouldn't be attributed to him just the same as the 'Obama bear market' shouldn't have been attributed to him.

It is still noteworthy that all the people who believed Obama had so much power over the markets that he was destroying them are conspicuously absent when the markets pick up.
 
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