How many Palestinians is one Israeli worth?

[SamurAchzar]

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If you ask Hamas, no less than 425, including dozens which directly account for hundreds of dead Israeli civilians. That's no hostage exchange, it's a bunch of bandits. Now they are threatening to make the Israeli soldier "disappear" like the Israeli airforce crewman Ron Arad, that was captured by Hizballah when he ejected over Lebanon (in a photography mission), sold to Iran and disappeared ever since.

If someone wants to have a clear differentiation between a state and a terrorist organization, that's it. Hamas obviously never even let the Red Cross visit Gilad Shalit.

They are not better than the gangs decapitating Americans in Iraq.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
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If you ask Hamas, no less than 425, including dozens which directly account for hundreds of dead Israeli civilians. That's no hostage exchange, it's a bunch of bandits. Now they are threatening to make the Israeli soldier "disappear" like the Israeli airforce crewman Ron Arad, that was captured by Hizballah when he ejected over Lebanon (in a photography mission), sold to Iran and disappeared ever since.

If someone wants to have a clear differentiation between a state and a terrorist organization, that's it. Hamas obviously never even let the Red Cross visit Gilad Shalit.

They are not better than the gangs decapitating Americans in Iraq.

Apparently its actually 1000

The conditions for an agreement have been known for three years, and the Egyptians know them, too," Mashaal told the Italian newspaper. "They are the release of 1,000 Palestinians in two stages."

 

[jpeyton]

Israel simply takes a lot more prisoners than Hamas does.

If Hamas was holding 425 Israeli prisoners, don't you think Israel would ask for them?

The fact that Israel is willing to give up these prisoners so easily...I'm betting 95% of them were detained under false pretenses.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Israel simply takes a lot more prisoners than Hamas does.

If Hamas was holding 425 Israeli prisoners, don't you think Israel would ask for them?

The fact that Israel is willing to give up these prisoners so easily...I'm betting 95% of them were detained under false pretenses.

Gilad Shalit is not a prisoner, neither is he a POW. Once his captives threaten his wellbeing, he's a hostage.

So I take it you also justify kidnapping of US soldiers in Iraq to free your brethren held in Guantanamo?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Israel simply takes a lot more prisoners than Hamas does.

If Hamas was holding 425 Israeli prisoners, don't you think Israel would ask for them?

The fact that Israel is willing to give up these prisoners so easily...I'm betting 95% of them were detained under false pretenses.

Gilad Shalit is not a prisoner, neither is he a POW. Once his captives threaten his wellbeing, he's a hostage.

So I take it you also justify kidnapping of US soldiers in Iraq to free your brethren held in Guantanamo?

I'm just giving you an analysis of why Israeli/Palestinian hostage exchanges "seem" so one-sided.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Israel simply takes a lot more prisoners than Hamas does.

If Hamas was holding 425 Israeli prisoners, don't you think Israel would ask for them?

The fact that Israel is willing to give up these prisoners so easily...I'm betting 95% of them were detained under false pretenses.

1. Shalit is NOT a "prisoner" -- he is a fucking hostage who is being held and ransomed by a terrorist organization.

2. Do you have any evidence -- at all -- to substantiate the 95% you are "betting" is the case?

3. Do you even agree that Hamas is a terrorist organization?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Gilad Shalit is not a prisoner, neither is he a POW. Once his captives threaten his wellbeing, he's a hostage.

I am willing to accept that argument as long as you are willing to apply it equality to the many "prisioners" which Israel has tortured over the years.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Israel simply takes a lot more prisoners than Hamas does.

If Hamas was holding 425 Israeli prisoners, don't you think Israel would ask for them?

The fact that Israel is willing to give up these prisoners so easily...I'm betting 95% of them were detained under false pretenses.

1. Shalit is NOT a "prisoner" -- he is a fucking hostage who is being held and ransomed by a terrorist organization.

2. Do you have any evidence -- at all -- to substantiate the 95% you are "betting" is the case?

3. Do you even agree that Hamas is a terrorist organization?

can hamas have prisoners or would they all be considered hostages?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Gilad Shalit is not a prisoner, neither is he a POW. Once his captives threaten his wellbeing, he's a hostage.

I am willing to accept that argument as long as you are willing to apply it equality to the many "prisoners" which Israel has tortured over the years.

Nobody gives a fuck if you are willing to "accept that," or not.

As far as I'm concerned, Israel has the right to arrest and prosecute every Palestinian who has ever picked up a rock, rocket, or a rifle, and then aimed it at an Israeli.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Israel simply takes a lot more prisoners than Hamas does.

If Hamas was holding 425 Israeli prisoners, don't you think Israel would ask for them?

The fact that Israel is willing to give up these prisoners so easily...I'm betting 95% of them were detained under false pretenses.

1. Shalit is NOT a "prisoner" -- he is a fucking hostage who is being held and ransomed by a terrorist organization.

2. Do you have any evidence -- at all -- to substantiate the 95% you are "betting" is the case?

3. Do you even agree that Hamas is a terrorist organization?

can hamas have prisoners or would they all be considered hostages?

Can the Italian Mafia take "prisoners?" Can the MS-13 gang take "prisoners?" Can the Mexican drug cartels take "prisoners?" Can Al Qa'ida take "prisoners?"

I'll let you figure out the trend here...

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Gilad Shalit is not a prisoner, neither is he a POW. Once his captives threaten his wellbeing, he's a hostage.

I am willing to accept that argument as long as you are willing to apply it equality to the many "prisoners" which Israel has tortured over the years.

Nobody gives a fuck if you are willing to "accept that," or not.

As far as I'm concerned, Israel has the right to arrest and prosecute every Palestinian who has ever picked up a rock, rocket, or a rifle, and then aimed it at an Israeli.

But you don't give a fuck about the many Palestinians Israel arrests who didn't do anything of the sort either, do you?

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Gilad Shalit is not a prisoner, neither is he a POW. Once his captives threaten his wellbeing, he's a hostage.

I am willing to accept that argument as long as you are willing to apply it equality to the many "prisoners" which Israel has tortured over the years.

Nobody gives a fuck if you are willing to "accept that," or not.

As far as I'm concerned, Israel has the right to arrest and prosecute every Palestinian who has ever picked up a rock, rocket, or a rifle, and then aimed it at an Israeli.

But you don't give a fuck about the many Palestinians Israel arrests who didn't do anything of the sort either, do you?

Forget about arrests. Who cares how many Palestinians are killed. Palestinians aren't even fully human.




Over the top, no matter how heated this is. Take a few days off.


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
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If you ask Hamas, no less than 425, including dozens which directly account for hundreds of dead Israeli civilians. That's no hostage exchange, it's a bunch of bandits. Now they are threatening to make the Israeli soldier "disappear" like the Israeli airforce crewman Ron Arad, that was captured by Hizballah when he ejected over Lebanon (in a photography mission), sold to Iran and disappeared ever since.

If someone wants to have a clear differentiation between a state and a terrorist organization, that's it. Hamas obviously never even let the Red Cross visit Gilad Shalit.

They are not better than the gangs decapitating Americans in Iraq.

One Israeli is worth 1,000 terrorists.

Nobody cares for this propaganda, and it soils the proud name of AT P&N

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Text

If you ask Hamas, no less than 425, including dozens which directly account for hundreds of dead Israeli civilians. That's no hostage exchange, it's a bunch of bandits. Now they are threatening to make the Israeli soldier "disappear" like the Israeli airforce crewman Ron Arad, that was captured by Hizballah when he ejected over Lebanon (in a photography mission), sold to Iran and disappeared ever since.

If someone wants to have a clear differentiation between a state and a terrorist organization, that's it. Hamas obviously never even let the Red Cross visit Gilad Shalit.

They are not better than the gangs decapitating Americans in Iraq.

One Israeli is worth 1,000 terrorists.

Nobody cares for this propaganda, and it soils the proud name of AT P&N

I agree, it should really be in ATOT or something. Israel culling a herd of Palestinian animals isn't a political discussion, more like agricultural or fish and game department.


That goes for this comment too.



esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

can hamas have prisoners or would they all be considered hostages?

Can the Italian Mafia take "prisoners?" Can the MS-13 gang take "prisoners?" Can the Mexican drug cartels take "prisoners?" Can Al Qa'ida take "prisoners?"

I'll let you figure out the trend here...

Wasn't hamas democratically elected? I don't think any of your examples were democratically elected. So you still say hamas can't have prisoners under any conditions?

Is isreal at war?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Text

If you ask Hamas, no less than 425, including dozens which directly account for hundreds of dead Israeli civilians. That's no hostage exchange, it's a bunch of bandits. Now they are threatening to make the Israeli soldier "disappear" like the Israeli airforce crewman Ron Arad, that was captured by Hizballah when he ejected over Lebanon (in a photography mission), sold to Iran and disappeared ever since.

If someone wants to have a clear differentiation between a state and a terrorist organization, that's it. Hamas obviously never even let the Red Cross visit Gilad Shalit.

They are not better than the gangs decapitating Americans in Iraq.

One Israeli is worth 1,000 terrorists.

Nobody cares for this propaganda, and it soils the proud name of AT P&N

It was Hamas that set this price, I'm just reporting it back to the lovely souls here. The sad thing is that in the past, Israel traded hundreds of prisoners for dead bodies. That probably goes hand in hand with Israelis not committing suicide bombings and generally accepting the value of human life.

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Gilad Shalit is not a prisoner, neither is he a POW. Once his captives threaten his wellbeing, he's a hostage.

I am willing to accept that argument as long as you are willing to apply it equality to the many "prisoners" which Israel has tortured over the years.

Nobody gives a fuck if you are willing to "accept that," or not.

As far as I'm concerned, Israel has the right to arrest and prosecute every Palestinian who has ever picked up a rock, rocket, or a rifle, and then aimed it at an Israeli.

But you don't give a fuck about the many Palestinians Israel arrests who didn't do anything of the sort either, do you?

Every Palestinian who was arrested (or kidnapped or whatever you choose to call it) by Israel is accounted for and taken care of. In fact there's a public outcry in Israel that those who killed hundreds of Israeli civilians are getting free tuition and healthcare by the Israeli public. All the while, no one knows where Gilad Shalit is held or in what conditions, while Hamas is waving his wellbeing any time Israel does something it doesn't like. Oh, the symmetry.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Text

If you ask Hamas, no less than 425, including dozens which directly account for hundreds of dead Israeli civilians. That's no hostage exchange, it's a bunch of bandits. Now they are threatening to make the Israeli soldier "disappear" like the Israeli airforce crewman Ron Arad, that was captured by Hizballah when he ejected over Lebanon (in a photography mission), sold to Iran and disappeared ever since.

If someone wants to have a clear differentiation between a state and a terrorist organization, that's it. Hamas obviously never even let the Red Cross visit Gilad Shalit.

They are not better than the gangs decapitating Americans in Iraq.

One Israeli is worth 1,000 terrorists.

Nobody cares for this propaganda, and it soils the proud name of AT P&N

I agree, it should really be in ATOT or something. Israel culling a herd of Palestinian animals isn't a political discussion, more like agricultural or fish and game department.

/me gives Sacrilege the dunce cap

Now go stand in the corner.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

can hamas have prisoners or would they all be considered hostages?

Can the Italian Mafia take "prisoners?" Can the MS-13 gang take "prisoners?" Can the Mexican drug cartels take "prisoners?" Can Al Qa'ida take "prisoners?"

I'll let you figure out the trend here...

Wasn't hamas democratically elected? I don't think any of your examples were democratically elected. So you still say hamas can't have prisoners under any conditions?

Is isreal at war?

There are specific rules of conduct to handling of POWs (Gilad Shalit was a soldier when taken hostage). I can't see how Hamas is sticking by them. Where are the guys who wave "Geneva Convention" on every Israeli shell?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

can hamas have prisoners or would they all be considered hostages?

Can the Italian Mafia take "prisoners?" Can the MS-13 gang take "prisoners?" Can the Mexican drug cartels take "prisoners?" Can Al Qa'ida take "prisoners?"

I'll let you figure out the trend here...

Wasn't hamas democratically elected? I don't think any of your examples were democratically elected. So you still say hamas can't have prisoners under any conditions?

Is isreal at war?

There are specific rules of conduct to handling of POWs (Gilad Shalit was a soldier when taken hostage). I can't see how Hamas is sticking by them. Where are the guys who wave "Geneva Convention" on every Israeli shell?

Well if they behead them then your right no rules in place there but they probably cant just keep the prisoners out in the open because isreal would just come in and take them back with force. The smart thing to do would be keep them hidden, right?

 

[cubby1223]

It is the belief of part of the Islamic world that the Israeli are the enemy of their faith and not fighting them condemns themselves to hell. Salvation in their afterlife is dependent on their war against their enemies. They have no interest in co-existing with Israel, they seek their destruction. There will never be any diplomatic solution to this situation. When Obama sends over a youtube video seeking diplomatic relations, why do you think they responded as they did? :roll:


But but but, we're peace loving hippies here in America, we believe in fighting with flowers against an army with guns...

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
It is the belief of part of the Islamic world that the Israeli are the enemy of their faith and not fighting them condemns themselves to hell. Salvation in their afterlife is dependent on their war against their enemies. They have no interest in co-existing with Israel, they seek their destruction. There will never be any diplomatic solution to this situation. When Obama sends over a youtube video seeking diplomatic relations, why do you think they responded as they did? :roll:

I honestly don't care what they do to each other I'm just asking questions.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Every Palestinian who was arrested (or kidnapped or whatever you choose to call it) by Israel is accounted for and taken care of.

A touch of fact to expose your lies:

Israel admits torture

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
It is the belief of part of the Islamic world that the Israeli are the enemy of their faith and not fighting them condemns themselves to hell.

It is the belief of part of the Jewish world that all non-Jews are sub-human, and like cattle are only of value as long as they serve Jews.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Text

If you ask Hamas, no less than 425, including dozens which directly account for hundreds of dead Israeli civilians. That's no hostage exchange, it's a bunch of bandits. Now they are threatening to make the Israeli soldier "disappear" like the Israeli airforce crewman Ron Arad, that was captured by Hizballah when he ejected over Lebanon (in a photography mission), sold to Iran and disappeared ever since.

If someone wants to have a clear differentiation between a state and a terrorist organization, that's it. Hamas obviously never even let the Red Cross visit Gilad Shalit.

They are not better than the gangs decapitating Americans in Iraq.

I'm not sure why you even bothered to add that bolded part. It's not like he was on vacation or something.

 

[nullzero]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

can hamas have prisoners or would they all be considered hostages?

Can the Italian Mafia take "prisoners?" Can the MS-13 gang take "prisoners?" Can the Mexican drug cartels take "prisoners?" Can Al Qa'ida take "prisoners?"

I'll let you figure out the trend here...

Wasn't hamas democratically elected? I don't think any of your examples were democratically elected. So you still say hamas can't have prisoners under any conditions?

Is isreal at war?

Hitler was democratically elected too... And we all know how that turned out. Just because the mob rule elects a government does not legitimize it as a fair and just government.