How many of you think Honda should move the RSX to a RWD platform?

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Honda is teh suck.
FWD is teh suck.
Honda uses FWD almost exclusively, therefore, they are teh suck!
Oh yeah, they have tiny torque-less engines too, so they're even more teh suck!

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
AWD pwns FWD any day of the week and beats RWD in everything but straight line performance and even then only when the RWD vehicle has slicks the size of a house.

Except for that pesky understeer thing. AWD lacks a good driving "feel". I understand that "feel" is highly subjective but I still prefer a "pure" RWD car to even a rear-biased AWD setup. AWD does wonders for the average driver, I'll grant that. I'll even grant that in some situations AWD will turn in better times from a very good to exceptional driver, but RWD will almost always feel better.

For the record though, I'm atypical in that I prefer my cars to be somewhat oversteering and twitchy. I know it's not actually faster in most cases, but the feel is preferable to me.

ZV

All I have to say to that is AWD is banned from certain types of racing around the world for a reason No matter how you look at it, twice the drive wheels = twice the traction of 2WD (assuming same size tire contact patch for both setups). I'm not saying that RWD sucks or anything silly like that, just that AWD is faster than RWD in everything but straight line performance, and even then AWD usually has the advantage over RWD (especially on the street).

No, not twice the traction. Twice the drive traction. And decreased lateral traction for the front wheels.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: boyRacer
I dont think Honda/Acura are interested in that kind of market for the RSX... i doubt it'll ever happen.

Plus... too many people dont even know how to drive their FWD... let alone a RWD... yet they continue to say how they love RWD.

Just go out to a track day... and all the bandwagoners cant drive squat on their oh so sporty RWD car... but all they can say oh yeah RWD is awesome and FWD sucks.

and we all know how boyRacer drives - just like a little boy racer

j/k

:beer:

 

[RagingBITCH]

Honda doesn't have the balls to move a luxury high powered sedan over to RWD, much less a woman's car.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
All I have to say to that is AWD is banned from certain types of racing around the world for a reason No matter how you look at it, twice the drive wheels = twice the traction of 2WD (assuming same size tire contact patch for both setups). I'm not saying that RWD sucks or anything silly like that, just that AWD is faster than RWD in everything but straight line performance, and even then AWD usually has the advantage over RWD (especially on the street).

AWD is banned from certain types racing because it makes it too easy and effectively takes the driver out of the equation. AWD does not have "twice the traction" however, you're incorrect. Traction is a constant quality. AWD has slightly less than twice the useable traction for propulsion in practice. AWD has twice the useable traction in straight line, but when turning there is less than twice the useable traction because a portion of the traction of the front wheels is necessarily being used for lateral traction. The harder the car is turning, the less useable traction there is because more traction is used for lateral traction. This also leads to the tendency of AWD cars to understeer. When the wheels which steer are driven, no matter what the weight distribution of the vehicle, the car will be less able to turn than a car with steered wheels that are not driven.

ZV

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Btw, speaking of a RWD RSX, Nissan tried to sell a cheap 4 cylinder RWD car in the USA and people didn't buy.

 

[StageLeft]

It would be nice, but generally hondas are underpowered for the price. The Acura TL is great, but most of the competition has a faster vehicle at the same price point.

 

[CFster]

Well, an RSX just beat 29 other cars (most of them rear wheel drive) at the Daytona 250 Grand Am Cup race this last weekend (ST Class). I'm following it because the company I work for is a sponsor on the car.

We finished 13th overall, but 1st in class.

Results

Interesting thing is, our car isn't factory backed. But we beat several factory teams, including one that has Rx8s.

When I say we, I don't mean we're the owners. I say we, because I know the guy, and our name is on the car. Don't want to sound pretentious.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: CFster
Well, an RSX just beat 29 other cars (most of them rear wheel drive) at the Daytona 250 Grand Am Cup race this last weekend (ST Class). I'm following it because the company I work for is a sponsor on the car.

We finished 13th overall, but 1st in class.

Results

Interesting thing is, our car isn't factory backed. But we beat several factory teams, including one that has Rx8s.

When I say we, I don't mean we're the owners. I say we, because I know the guy, and our name is on the car. Don't want to sound pretentious.

Oh they may very well be track cars, but that's about as useful as tits on a bull to 99% of the population. 1/4/0-60 and highway power are what I care about. I'd take a 20% increase in horsepower over .05 G on the skidpad any day of the week.

 

[CFster]

Rules

If you read the regulations, you'll see that they aren't as heavily modified as a full blown race car - like a Cup car for instance.

And there's no provision that says the RSX is given any advantage over the RX8s or the BMWs. So, all else being equal - the cars are equal on the street as well.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: CFster
Well, an RSX just beat 29 other cars (most of them rear wheel drive) at the Daytona 250 Grand Am Cup race this last weekend (ST Class). I'm following it because the company I work for is a sponsor on the car.

We finished 13th overall, but 1st in class.

Results

Interesting thing is, our car isn't factory backed. But we beat several factory teams, including one that has Rx8s.

When I say we, I don't mean we're the owners. I say we, because I know the guy, and our name is on the car. Don't want to sound pretentious.

Oh they may very well be track cars, but that's about as useful as tits on a bull to 99% of the population. 1/4/0-60 and highway power are what I care about. I'd take a 20% increase in horsepower over .05 G on the skidpad any day of the week.

Yeah, well most people driving these things grew out of their adolescent stage years ago and look for more in a car.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: CFster
Well, an RSX just beat 29 other cars (most of them rear wheel drive) at the Daytona 250 Grand Am Cup race this last weekend (ST Class). I'm following it because the company I work for is a sponsor on the car.

We finished 13th overall, but 1st in class.

Results

Interesting thing is, our car isn't factory backed. But we beat several factory teams, including one that has Rx8s.

When I say we, I don't mean we're the owners. I say we, because I know the guy, and our name is on the car. Don't want to sound pretentious.

Oh they may very well be track cars, but that's about as useful as tits on a bull to 99% of the population. 1/4/0-60 and highway power are what I care about. I'd take a 20% increase in horsepower over .05 G on the skidpad any day of the week.

*cough* no talent *cough*

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: CFster
Well, an RSX just beat 29 other cars (most of them rear wheel drive) at the Daytona 250 Grand Am Cup race this last weekend (ST Class). I'm following it because the company I work for is a sponsor on the car.

We finished 13th overall, but 1st in class.

Results

Interesting thing is, our car isn't factory backed. But we beat several factory teams, including one that has Rx8s.

When I say we, I don't mean we're the owners. I say we, because I know the guy, and our name is on the car. Don't want to sound pretentious.

Oh they may very well be track cars, but that's about as useful as tits on a bull to 99% of the population. 1/4/0-60 and highway power are what I care about. I'd take a 20% increase in horsepower over .05 G on the skidpad any day of the week.

Yeah, well most people driving these things grew out of their adolescent stage years ago and look for more in a car.

*chuckle* like what, racing around a track? How is that more adult-like than wanting a car with straight line power? Most people eventually grow out of what you're doing too, you know.

All I said was that Hondas, compared to other cars at the same price, are not competitive in regards to power. I'm right.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: CFster
Well, an RSX just beat 29 other cars (most of them rear wheel drive) at the Daytona 250 Grand Am Cup race this last weekend (ST Class). I'm following it because the company I work for is a sponsor on the car.

We finished 13th overall, but 1st in class.

Results

Interesting thing is, our car isn't factory backed. But we beat several factory teams, including one that has Rx8s.

When I say we, I don't mean we're the owners. I say we, because I know the guy, and our name is on the car. Don't want to sound pretentious.

Oh they may very well be track cars, but that's about as useful as tits on a bull to 99% of the population. 1/4/0-60 and highway power are what I care about. I'd take a 20% increase in horsepower over .05 G on the skidpad any day of the week.

Yeah, well most people driving these things grew out of their adolescent stage years ago and look for more in a car.

*chuckle* like what, racing around a track? How is that more adult-like than wanting a car with straight line power? Most people eventually grow out of what you're doing too, you know.

All I said was that Hondas, compared to other cars at the same price, are not competitive in regards to power. I'm right.

Ok, your right...about the power.

But they're more than competitive in all other areas.

And I'm saying - there's more to driving a car than drag racing.

 

[Howard]

Torqueless? Perhaps, but the K20A2 in the RSX Type-S can be "persuaded" to give at least 300WHP without forced induction. Torque steer might be a bit of a problem, and wheelslip would be pretty excessive, IMO.

 

[MrChad]

I like my FWD RSX-S just fine. AND, I can drive it in the snow

 

[Howard]

Something to give my claim some solidity.

http://www.theoldone.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14932&whichpage=1

 

[rh71]

yeah sure, if all those "practical" Honda owners are racers.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: rh71
yeah sure, if all those "practical" Honda owners are racers.

Then why get an RSX at all?