How many lies does it take for you to stop voting democrat?

[CADsortaGUY]

This has nothing to do with Republicans.

I'm asking Democrats here, how many lies does it take to make you not vote Democrat. Watching the Obama campaign unfold this last month he has unleashed lie after lie after lie about his record, his opponent's record, and his VP's record. At what point do any of you say to yourself, do I really want this guy representing me?

Does it matter to you that Obama and his campaign are spreading outright lies on just about every issue imaginable?




:roll: for this thread and the other one. Sheesh.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
This has nothing to do with Republicans.

I'm asking Democrats here, how many lies does it take to make you not vote Democrat. Watching the Obama campaign unfold this last month he has unleashed lie after lie after lie about his record, his opponent's record, and his VP's record. At what point do any of you say to yourself, do I really want this guy representing me?

Does it matter to you that Obama and his campaign are spreading outright lies on just about every issue imaginable?




:roll: for this thread and the other one. Sheesh.

They say that the last 7+ years of the Bush Presidency haven't been stellar and they are also saying that invading Iraq was a bad decision. Sounds like the truth to me.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They say that the last 7+ years of the Bush Presidency haven't been stellar and they are also saying that invading Iraq was a bad decision. Sounds like the truth to me.

How is that relevant to this election? Because Bush was a Republican and so is McCain? So is Obama going to be just like Bill Clinton? Using that logic, he's going to be chasing interns, and not doing his job. I dunno who'd I want in office with that type of logic.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Watching the Obama campaign unfold this last month he has unleashed lie after lie after lie about his record, his opponent's record, and his VP's record.

Shens.

 

[Jaskalas]

Ah, see? They say it for themselves that they do not lie and only their enemy lies.

I believe I mentioned in the original thread how the sins of the party are irrelevant to the loyalists, especially when both sides are equal at it. There is no upstanding alternative because this is a war and in war you get down and dirty with the rest of them.

The ones you need to look out for are the ones who you know are lying when they claim to be above it all.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They say that the last 7+ years of the Bush Presidency haven't been stellar and they are also saying that invading Iraq was a bad decision. Sounds like the truth to me.

How is that relevant to this election? Because Bush was a Republican and so is McCain? So is Obama going to be just like Bill Clinton? Using that logic, he's going to be chasing interns, and not doing his job. I dunno who'd I want in office with that type of logic.

LOL wtf?? Hey I can understand why you Republicans wouldn't want any comparison of Bush and McCain but we are talking about policies, not personal behavior. Go ahead associate the job Obama might do with the policies of Clinton:thumbsup:

 

[Druidx]

I quit voting Democrat when one of them had to ask what the meaning of "is" is.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They say that the last 7+ years of the Bush Presidency haven't been stellar and they are also saying that invading Iraq was a bad decision. Sounds like the truth to me.

How is that relevant to this election? Because Bush was a Republican and so is McCain? So is Obama going to be just like Bill Clinton? Using that logic, he's going to be chasing interns, and not doing his job. I dunno who'd I want in office with that type of logic.

Two most relevant issues: tax policy and the war. McCain is with Bush on both.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Watching the Obama campaign unfold this last month he has unleashed lie after lie after lie about his record, his opponent's record, and his VP's record.

Shens.

Exactly. I won't pretend the Obama campaign hasn't done its share of spinning, but it's like comparing a shoplifter to a serial killer. Both are wrong, but one is a hell of a lot more wrong than the other.

It's especially hypocritical given that so many of the Obama-bashers openly dismiss blatant McCain campaign lies as OK because "all politicians lie", or "politics ain't beanbag." It shows a complete lack of morality -- a recurring them from the self-proclaimed party of values -- and is exactly why we get such sleazy politicians. They know they can lie their asses off and not be held accountable, that blind partisans will support them based solely on the letter next to their names.

 

[bamacre]

It isn't the lies that keep me away from the Republicans and the Democrats, but the truths. They don't need to lie to me about what they want to do or what their stances are on the issues. The truth is enough for me to see that both parties are dangerous.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Druidx
I quit voting Democrat when one of them had to ask what the meaning of "is" is.

Then quite frankly, you are an idiot. To ignore not only your best interests, but the best interests of your country based on an evasive comment of a single individual is ignorant partisanship of the worst order. Either that, or you're lying.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Druidx
I quit voting Democrat when one of them had to ask what the meaning of "is" is.

Then quite frankly, you are an idiot. To ignore not only your best interests, but the best interests of your country based on an evasive comment of a single individual is ignorant partisanship of the worst order. Either that, or you're lying.

Preach it brother!!

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Druidx
I quit voting Democrat when one of them had to ask what the meaning of "is" is.

Then quite frankly, you are an idiot. To ignore not only your best interests, but the best interests of your country based on an evasive comment of a single individual is ignorant partisanship of the worst order. Either that, or you're lying.

PWNED! :laugh:

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
How many lies does it take for you to stop voting democrat?

The answer: # of Republican lies + 1

If every member of the GOP dropped dead today, Democrats are slated to reach that number by late June 2048.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
This has nothing to do with Republicans.

I'm asking Democrats here, how many lies does it take to make you not vote Democrat. Watching the Obama campaign unfold this last month he has unleashed lie after lie after lie about his record, his opponent's record, and his VP's record. At what point do any of you say to yourself, do I really want this guy representing me?

Does it matter to you that Obama and his campaign are spreading outright lies on just about every issue imaginable?




:roll: for this thread and the other one. Sheesh.

I am currently unaware of Lies told by the Obama campaign. CAD, Can you please provide me with links to these lies they are telling. Also please provide sourcing material so we can all research these lies and make a better informed decisions in voting for President of this great country of ours.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: smashp
I am currently unaware of Lies told by the Obama campaign.

Clearly you're a partisan hack.

Start paying closer attention!

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
How many lies does it take for you to stop voting democrat?

When the other party does it less. So far, the Republicans are not.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Topic Title: How many lies does it take for you to stop voting democrat?

More than [ Insert your favorite Harvey "macro" list of Bushwhacko LIES, here ] and more than the number of lies spewed by the McSame wannabes.

Does it matter to you that Obama and his campaign are spreading outright lies on just about every issue imaginable?

Does it matter to you that you haven't named one? Do you really want to defend YOUR lie with links to show the overall balance of truth between Democrats and Republicans on the bullshitometer? You'd only embarrass yourself. :Q

Q: McCain says Obama will raise taxes on the middle class. When did Obama say that?

A: NEVER.

Q: When was it that Palin last said, "Thanks, but no thanks" to that bridge?

A: NEVER.

McCain Claims Palin Took No Earmarks as Alaska Governor.

BARBARA WALTERS: What is she going to reform, specifically?

JOHN MCCAIN: Well, first of all, earmark spending, which she vetoed half a billion dollars worth in the state of Alaska.

WALTERS: She also took some earmarks

JOY BEHAR: A lot.

MCCAIN: No, not as governor, she didn't. She vetoed - Look, well, the fact is she's a reform governor.

Palin requests record per capita earmarks

Palin's earmark requests: more per person than any other state

By Hal Bernton and David Heath
Seattle Times staff reporters

GOP vice presidential candidate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin touts her record as a reformer who worked to end the "abuses of earmark spending in Congress." But Palin has embraced earmarks from early on in her career as a mayor of Wasilla to the governor's mansion in Juneau. Just this year she sent to Sen. Ted. Stevens a proposal for 31 earmarks totaling $197 million ? more, per person, than any other state.

ANCHORAGE ? As she introduced herself to the nation Friday as the Republican vice-presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin touted her record as a reformer who worked to end the "abuses of earmark spending in Congress."

But earmarks have never been a dirty word in Alaska, a huge state dotted with small communities that have enormous dollar needs for sewers, roads and other projects.

Instead, earmarks ? pet projects that members of Congress fund but that no federal agency has requested ? have become a mainstay of political life here, and one that Palin embraced from early on in her career as a mayor of Wasilla to the governor's mansion in Juneau.

Just this year, she sent to Sen. Ted. Stevens, R-Alaska, a proposal for 31 earmarks totaling $197 million ? more, per person, than any other state.

Her presidential running mate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., does not sponsor earmarks, calling the practice of doling out favors, often with scant oversight, "disgraceful."
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So John McCain, who squealed like a stuck pig over Obama's casual use of the expression, "lipstick on a pig," and who called Hillary Clinton's health care proposals, "lipstick on a pig," has chosen a running mate whose actions as Governor were, in his own words, "disgraceful." :shocked:

Want more? Google is your friend, but not theirs. McCain AND Palin's McShame is that they really are more of McSame.

 

[ThunderDawg]

The choice we have is between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

I am voting for the one who doesn't wake up every morning looking for ways to harm me.

 

[Druidx]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Druidx
I quit voting Democrat when one of them had to ask what the meaning of "is" is.

Then quite frankly, you are an idiot. To ignore not only your best interests, but the best interests of your country based on an evasive comment of a single individual is ignorant partisanship of the worst order. Either that, or you're lying.

PWNED! :laugh:

PWNED... LOL How So.
I know a lot of Repub's who got turned off from their party because of the Clinton witch hunt.
Just as many went right back to the party because of the way Clinton handled it in the end.
Between his Jimmy Swaggart moment on T.V. an playing word games showed a total lack of respect about what was happening. Put himself above the law same as Bush has. If Clinton would have just handled himself a little better, I doubt Bush would have risen to the presidency.

Call me an idiot an claim I'm PWNED Whatever makes you fell better.
Maybe you're one of those people who consider that a high point of the Clinton presidency.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They say that the last 7+ years of the Bush Presidency haven't been stellar and they are also saying that invading Iraq was a bad decision. Sounds like the truth to me.

How is that relevant to this election? Because Bush was a Republican and so is McCain? So is Obama going to be just like Bill Clinton? Using that logic, he's going to be chasing interns, and not doing his job. I dunno who'd I want in office with that type of logic.

LOL wtf?? Hey I can understand why you Republicans wouldn't want any comparison of Bush and McCain but we are talking about policies, not personal behavior. Go ahead associate the job Obama might do with the policies of Clinton:thumbsup:

First of all I'm not a Republican, and I don't think I'd ever vote for one the duration of my lifetime until there was some major reform in that party. Second, the policies of Clinton were pretty horrible. Do you think our personal freedom got squashed only when the Patriot Act went into power? I'm sorry to say Clinton started us down that road. But with partisans and their pom poms, it won't matter what I bring to the table, it will go in deaf ears.

Republicans = Democrats, and Democrats = Republicans and its been that way for a long time. Its two sides of the same coin.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: Druidx

PWNED... LOL How So.
I know a lot of Repub's who got turned off from their party because of the Clinton witch hunt.
Just as many went right back to the party because of the way Clinton handled it in the end.
Between his Jimmy Swaggart moment on T.V. an playing word games showed a total lack of respect about what was happening. Put himself above the law same as Bush has. If Clinton would have just handled himself a little better, I doubt Bush would have risen to the presidency.

Call me an idiot an claim I'm PWNED Whatever makes you fell better.
Maybe you're one of those people who consider that a high point of the Clinton presidency.

You're a joke. You do realize that this was 12 years ago, don't you? Hey, maybe you can vote for McCain because Lincoln was such a good president.

President Bush's lies were far more benign: 4,000 dead American soldiers, outing CIA operatives.

BTW, I think we're still waiting for the pseudocons to give us a lie that Obama told.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They say that the last 7+ years of the Bush Presidency haven't been stellar and they are also saying that invading Iraq was a bad decision. Sounds like the truth to me.

How is that relevant to this election? Because Bush was a Republican and so is McCain? So is Obama going to be just like Bill Clinton? Using that logic, he's going to be chasing interns, and not doing his job. I dunno who'd I want in office with that type of logic.

LOL wtf?? Hey I can understand why you Republicans wouldn't want any comparison of Bush and McCain but we are talking about policies, not personal behavior. Go ahead associate the job Obama might do with the policies of Clinton:thumbsup:

First of all I'm not a Republican, and I don't think I'd ever vote for one the duration of my lifetime until there was some major reform in that party. Second, the policies of Clinton were pretty horrible. Do you think our personal freedom got squashed only when the Patriot Act went into power? I'm sorry to say Clinton started us down that road. But with partisans and their pom poms, it won't matter what I bring to the table, it will go in deaf ears.

Republicans = Democrats, and Democrats = Republicans and its been that way for a long time. Its two sides of the same coin.

No, actually, I'm listening - the fact you have that stand against Republicans shows you're paying some attention.

But calling the two parties the same is an outrageous falsehood. You can certainly make points about some big things in common, from both needing corporate donations to their conspiratorial domination of the presidentia debate system to exclude third parties, but the parties represent vastly different segments of society and still different policies - at least the progressive wing of the democratic party.

Your comments are more accurate about the DLC/corporatized wing of the democratic party; and preventing the democrats from being run like the republicans by the corporatists is why it's important people not say the parties are the same, and instead back the progressives. The only alternatives we have today are the progressive wing of democrats, and third parties, and third parties are a very difficult direction to win much. The progressive wing is not the Clinton wing.

What exactly is it about the progressive democrats you take issue with? At this point they are an antidote to the corporatist agenda and promote freedom, social justice and opportunity. They're the ones whose agenda is more for the public, not the concentrated wealth and power group, who are their natural target to rein in. Obama's a lot closer to them than McCain is.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
This has nothing to do with Republicans.

I'm asking Democrats here, how many lies does it take to make you not vote Democrat. Watching the Obama campaign unfold this last month he has unleashed lie after lie after lie about his record, his opponent's record, and his VP's record. At what point do any of you say to yourself, do I really want this guy representing me?

Does it matter to you that Obama and his campaign are spreading outright lies on just about every issue imaginable?




:roll: for this thread and the other one. Sheesh.

How do you look yourself in the mirror in the morning? You don't make anyone near enough money to be Republican yet you want to associate yourself with them so you can act like you're with the rich guys. Shame on you.

 

[extra]

What person I vote with depends on the individual circumstances and the individual candidate, not party affiliation.