How Many Frenchmen Does it Take to Defend Paris?: Article Refutes Joke

[0roo0roo]

yes i got huffy. but only because it was a feeble attempt at defending the french.
you read into the post what you wanted to see

oh well.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
yes i got huffy. but only because it was a feeble attempt at defending the french.

you read into the post what you wanted to see

oh well.

Excuse me, what gives you the right to judge?

 

[0roo0roo]

i got indignant that 100,000 was waved around as heavy losses when in the context of the real losses of the war.. yes it was nothing. 100,000 against 60 MILLION.



i have the right to judge as you do. my right came from the intial poster using the number as justification to defend the french today, not back then.

 

[StattlichPassat]

Liberals from hippie-left Austin standing up for cowards... no surprise.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i got indignant that 100,000 was waved around as heavy losses when in the context of the real losses of the war.. yes it was nothing. 100,000 against 60 MILLION.



i have the right to judge as you do. my right came from the intial poster using the number as justification to defend the french today, not back then.

You see I really haven't the right to Judge the French about WW2.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: dabuddha
That's good and all but it doesn't excuse their present actions.

and what actions are those? Not supporting George Ws plans? Well maybe they haven't been watching FOX news lately and maybe they want to do whats in their best interest. If you were so kind and pull you head outta Ws ass, you'd see that every nation is looking out for whats BEST FOR THEM. George wants oil or the PRd Goerge wants to eliminate a threat against the US - netiher of those encompass France in any way, shape or form. Why would the french support something that has no value to them and in general destabilizes the region?

Just think about it and try watching CSPAN international news for a while, youll see a completly different picture

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: StattlichPassat
Liberals from hippie-left Austin standing up for cowards... no surprise.

You see I think it's you who is the descipable coward. You are the type who takes credit for the sacrifices of others and then has the audacity to call those who disagree with you a coward.

 

[0roo0roo]

thats your opinion.


have you any idea how many losses france sustained in previous wars under napoleon or in its revolutions and still survived or won?

add those to the contexts too and 100,000 looks even smaller.

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: StattlichPassat
Liberals from hippie-left Austin standing up for cowards... no surprise.

I'm too polite for these people! I like to "debate" or "question" - not "slander" or "insult".

Andy

 

[halik]

if i remember history correctly, the french had the largest resistance movement during ww2 (poland was #2). AS someone has pointed before Maginot Line was their main error - they relied on the line of fortifications on the eastern border of the country and if i remember correctly Hitler ran nazi Tigers and Panthers thru Belgium, rather than approaching in the direction of the line

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
thats your opinion.


have you any idea how many losses france sustained in previous wars under napoleon or in its revolutions and still survived or won?

add those to the contexts too and 100,000 looks even smaller.

Fine so you are judging them on the merits of others then? You must because niether you nor I can judge on our own merits and sacrifices made in the name of freedom.

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: StattlichPassat
Liberals from hippie-left Austin standing up for cowards... no surprise.

You see I think it's you who is the descipable coward. You are the type who takes credit for the sacrifices of others and then has the audacity to call those who disagree with you a coward.

Wtf, red dawn? Care to put more words in my mouth? I see they haven't found a donor for your attitude transplant yet. :disgust:

Where did I say I took credit for the sacrifices of others? And yes they are cowards- all pacifists against action in this conflict are. Look up the definition. It is no audacity to turn your back against people who betray America.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: StattlichPassat

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: StattlichPassat
Liberals from hippie-left Austin standing up for cowards... no surprise.

You see I think it's you who is the descipable coward. You are the type who takes credit for the sacrifices of others and then has the audacity to call those who disagree with you a coward.

Wtf, red dawn? Care to put more words in my mouth? I see they haven't found a donor for your attitude transplant yet. :disgust:

Where did I say I took credit for the sacrifices of others? And yes they are cowards- all pacifists against action in this conflict are. Look up the definition. It is no audacity to turn your back against people who betray America.

They aren't betraying us.

 

[dawheat]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
thats your opinion.


have you any idea how many losses france sustained in previous wars under napoleon or in its revolutions and still survived or won?

add those to the contexts too and 100,000 looks even smaller.

Fine so you are judging them on the merits of others then? You must because niether you nor I can judge on our own merits and sacrifices made in the name of freedom.

Oh spare me the judge-me-not crap. IMO those who refuse to use their experience and knowledge to try to make educated judgements are just as dangerous as those who are too quick to judge. There seems to be a whole movement on these boards by those unwilling to make any sort of judgement.

Am I intelligent enought to look at the data presented and make a judgement? Yes. Am I intelligent not to force them upon another person? Yes. Am I intelligent enough to know that I don't have that much knowledge about the subject so in the future my judgement may change? Yes.

<b>niether you nor I can judge on our own merits and sacrifices made in the name of freedom</b>
Why not? Must we goto war to have an opinion on war? All those participating in anti-war demonstrations, I doubt the vast majority have any experiencing any conflict- does that mean they're unable to make a judgement and choose to protest?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
thats your opinion.


have you any idea how many losses france sustained in previous wars under napoleon or in its revolutions and still survived or won?

add those to the contexts too and 100,000 looks even smaller.

Fine so you are judging them on the merits of others then? You must because niether you nor I can judge on our own merits and sacrifices made in the name of freedom.

Oh spare me the judge-me-not crap. IMO those who refuse to use their experience and knowledge to try to make educated judgements are just as dangerous as those who are too quick to judge. There seems to be a whole movement on these boards by those unwilling to make any sort of judgement.

Am I intelligent enought to look at the data presented and make a judgement? Yes. Am I intelligent not to force them upon another person? Yes. Am I intelligent enough to know that I don't have that much knowledge about the subject so in the future my judgement may change? Yes.

<b>niether you nor I can judge on our own merits and sacrifices made in the name of freedom</b>
BS

Tell me what is untrue about my statement?

 

[nick1985]

taht is the biggest load of sh!t i have ever read

 

[PistachioByAzul]

They also helped us a lot in the American revolution, that was pretty well forgotten.

 

[Gooberlx2]

russia hurt just as badly during ww1, yet they mustered more staying power during ww2. willing to burn their own cities to keep hitler from using them. the french were less dedicated.

Dedicated? Rather, the French just didn't have a raging megalomaniac, willing to burn his entire country -- civilians, military and all. All, for the "welfare" of his nation?

In terms of true leadership both countries found themselves lacking I think, but I will not deny the steadfast courage and strength of the soldiers.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

russia hurt just as badly during ww1, yet they mustered more staying power during ww2. willing to burn their own cities to keep hitler from using them. the french were less dedicated.

Dedicated? Rather, the French just didn't have a raging megalomaniac, willing to burn his entire country -- civilians, military and all. All, for the "welfare" of his nation?

In terms of true leadership both countries found themselves lacking I think, but I will not deny the steadfast courage and strength of the soldiers.

well actually the difference was that the russians were fighting for their very existence. hitler was out to exterminate. french on the other hand would just simply be slaves to the reich.

 

[abovewood]

I thank the English everytime when I think of WW2, cann't say the same thing about the French.