How Many Bodies Before Bush Acts in Liberia?

[charrison]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
So going into Iraq was bad, but you think we should go into Liberia? Is Liberia a threat to us? More so than Iraq which you feel was unjustified? Hmm.

Stop and think about it before you try bashing Bush on any issue you see splattered on the cover of a newspaper.

Was Iraq a threat to us? (a yes answer will require proof...)

Is Liberia a threat?

Nope, but we have the chance to prevent thousands of senseless deaths. The senseless deaths in Iraq were commited years ago, intervening there changed little, intervening now in Liberia can change a lot.

Is it the responsibility of the US? Why isnt this France's problem? They're closer.

Are we or are we not supposed to be worlds policeman?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
So going into Iraq was bad, but you think we should go into Liberia? Is Liberia a threat to us? More so than Iraq which you feel was unjustified? Hmm.

Stop and think about it before you try bashing Bush on any issue you see splattered on the cover of a newspaper.

Was Iraq a threat to us? (a yes answer will require proof...)

Is Liberia a threat?

Nope, but we have the chance to prevent thousands of senseless deaths. The senseless deaths in Iraq were commited years ago, intervening there changed little, intervening now in Liberia can change a lot.

Is it the responsibility of the US? Why isnt this France's problem? They're closer.

France is already screwing up the Congo...

The rest of the world sort of sees it as our problem:
American Colonization Society, founded in 1816 to resettle freed American slaves in Africa

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
So going into Iraq was bad, but you think we should go into Liberia? Is Liberia a threat to us? More so than Iraq which you feel was unjustified? Hmm.

Stop and think about it before you try bashing Bush on any issue you see splattered on the cover of a newspaper.

Was Iraq a threat to us? (a yes answer will require proof...)

Is Liberia a threat?

Nope, but we have the chance to prevent thousands of senseless deaths. The senseless deaths in Iraq were commited years ago, intervening there changed little, intervening now in Liberia can change a lot.

Is it the responsibility of the US? Why isnt this France's problem? They're closer.

Not a bad question, but since you like "liberating" people, why not?

There is also the request specifically for US troops from Liberia.

 

[JellyBaby]

The rest of the world sort of sees it as our problem:
American Colonization Society, founded in 1816 to resettle freed American slaves in Africa

Thanks for the seizure the colors on that web site gave me!

 

[Syringer]

Anyone care to give a Cliff's Notes version as to what's happening in Liberia, and how long it's been going on?

/ignorant American

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

The rest of the world sort of sees it as our problem:
American Colonization Society, founded in 1816 to resettle freed American slaves in Africa

Thanks for the seizure the colors on that web site gave me!

You're lucky I couldn't find one with a bad midi file

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
So going into Iraq was bad, but you think we should go into Liberia? Is Liberia a threat to us? More so than Iraq which you feel was unjustified? Hmm.

Stop and think about it before you try bashing Bush on any issue you see splattered on the cover of a newspaper.

Was Iraq a threat to us? (a yes answer will require proof...)

Is Liberia a threat?

No, I don't see what you are saying, I'm saying we have no business in Liberia, just as I think liberation of Iraq is a cop out to cover bush's @$$

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
So going into Iraq was bad, but you think we should go into Liberia? Is Liberia a threat to us? More so than Iraq which you feel was unjustified? Hmm.

Stop and think about it before you try bashing Bush on any issue you see splattered on the cover of a newspaper.

Was Iraq a threat to us? (a yes answer will require proof...)

Is Liberia a threat?

Nope, but we have the chance to prevent thousands of senseless deaths. The senseless deaths in Iraq were commited years ago, intervening there changed little, intervening now in Liberia can change a lot.

Is it the responsibility of the US? Why isnt this France's problem? They're closer.

Are we or are we not supposed to be worlds policeman?

We are NOT. We have no legal duty, and it does not benefit the Citizens of the United States to intervene in this matter. It is sort of like good samaritan laws, if you are forced to help out at an accident, many times people with little or no training end up doing much more harm than good (neck injuries)interfering in their civil war will only end badly for the United States, there is no way that we would come out ahead. As I've already stated it is against human nature to be philanthropic.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: chrisms
We aren't in Liberia because we can't be in Liberia at the moment. The only way the world would get involved is if Charles Taylor steps down, and the troops would be sent as a peacekeeping force. Until then, any military that gets involved has to pick a side.

The rebels are winning and will not allow Taylor to stay in power because a foreign country came in and let him. They have stated that any peacekeeping force sent in before Taylor is gone will be the enemy. Therefore, for the U.S. to get involved, we would have to remove Taylor (or, was we are doing now, wait for him to step down). Removing him means fighting against his forces, American deaths, and hatred from at least a portion of the population which supported Taylor. It could be Iraq all over again, possibly worse because of the environment, or easier because of the size of the enemy forces.

I thought Taylor already agreed and said he would step down but not until a peacekeeping force arrived?

He did say he would step down if a peacekeeping force arrived...but the rebels said they would attack us if we got involved before Taylor stepped down.

Originally posted by: Syringer
Anyone care to give a Cliff's Notes version as to what's happening in Liberia, and how long it's been going on?

/ignorant American

Well back in 1990 Qaddafi supported Charles Taylor to have a little coup in Liberia. He succeeded and the country went into civil war for the next six years. Charles Taylor called for elections and said that if he didn't win he would resume violence in the country so he was voted in as president. Since then the country really hasn't been any more stable. Two different rebel groups control 60% of the country. As of now they're sitting outside the capital (Monrovia) and occasionaly try to make a move for it. Obviously they haven't succeeded in taking it yet and are always forced back.

Meanwhile, Taylor has kept saying he will step down for months now but hasn't done so. One of the main reasons he says he hasn't stepped down is because he's wanted for war crimes for supporting rebels in neighboring Sierra Leone. Nigeria has offered his asylum but he still hasn't stepped down. He says that he wants a peace keeping force in there before he leaves but that's BS.

Quite a few Liberians have been sitting outside the US embassy calling for our help to end their civil war. We have sent a few marines there to assess the situation but so far haven't committed soldiers to do anything besides protect our embassy. A few other west African nations are putting together a peacekeeping force together of a few thousand.

 

[Syringer]

How does the process of war crimes work? Could we have gotten Saddam on that?

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: Syringer
How does the process of war crimes work? Could we have gotten Saddam on that?

Well a country files a suit against a person in a leadership position in another country and the Internation Criminal Court in The Hague hears it. If the accused is found guilty they can be imprisoned or be fined. I don't think they really have to do anything though unless the country that they're in turns them over to the ICC. And obviously if the leader of a country is found guilty he generally won't go and turn himself in. So it would have been kind of pointless to try Hussein for any war crimes.

 

[Leon]

Perhaps past missions in Africa made us a little more cautious. Especially when it comes to countries like Liberia, which is in the midst of a civil war.

Leon

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Leon
Perhaps past missions in Africa made us a little more cautious. Especially when it comes to countries like Liberia, which is in the midst of a civil war.

Leon

I'm against sending troops to Liberia. You never never never get yourself involved in someone else's civil war. Let France and Germany do it instead.