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How many are holding off upgrading again til ClawHammer?

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I've been taking a look at the processor offering upcoming from Intel and AMD in the next year or so. I want something that is going to blow away my current 1.4GHz T-Bird setup.

I looked at the upcoming Northwood variants (I'm guessing up to around 3GHz by the time ClawHammer gets here), but besides offering speed increases I'm not too impressed. There's the possiblility of HyperThreading, but from the benches I've seen, it's not too impressive.

But ClawHammer looks mighty impressive with its HyperTransport links and integrated nature of the memory controller. And it is just so inherently different and offers so much more possibility for performance than the same old die shrink and MHz ramp. Then there is the whole -64 portion of the chip design😉

In short, I'm tired of the same old same old. ClawHammer livens things up a bit 😀
 


<< I assume it will have 512K+ L2 cache & 333MHz FSB? >>


I would guess so on the cache part. I know it will support DDR333.
 


<< I want something that is going to blow away my current 1.4GHz T-Bird setup. >>



How about a 2.4GHz+ Northwoodie? 🙂
 


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<< I want something that is going to blow away my current 1.4GHz T-Bird setup. >>



How about a 2.4GHz+ Northwoodie? 🙂 >>


Hahaha, I want more than speed. A Northwood won't due jack for me as I don't play games anymore.
 


<< Hahaha, I want more than speed. A Northwood won't due jack for me as I don't play games anymore. >>



Then I suggest you keep your current cpu & get a nice fast SCSI hard drive,this will definately improve your apps speeds.
 


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<< Hahaha, I want more than speed. A Northwood won't due jack for me as I don't play games anymore. >>



Then I suggest you keep your current cpu & get a nice fast SCSI hard drive,this will definately improve your apps speeds. >>


SCSI? Bah. My new WD80BB 7200RPM ATA/100 is plenty fast. x86-64 on the other hand is a more worthwhile platform improvement IMHO.
 
ClawHammer (like SledgeHammer) won't have a "FSB" per se. As you know, the memory controller is integrated on-die, and therefore there are no traces needed on the motherboard to link the memory controller traditionally located in the NorthBridge to the CPU, eliminating the traditional meaning of the term FSB.

The K7 uses an EV6 bus protocal. The K8 will use a HyperTransport bus protocal, and supposedly have a "FSB" of 800MHz (or is it full CPU speed...).

Oh yeah, I will upgrade my 1.4GHz T-bird if Barton ever becomes a reality, as I think it would be very nice to have a mATX 2GHz SOI Athlon XP system in addition to a ClawHammer 3400+ main rig. 😀
 
> I assume it will have 512K+ L2 cache & 333MHz FSB? >>
> I would guess so. I know it will support DDR333 so mosty likely a 333MHz FSB

It's been confirmed (and no, I don't have a link for you) that Clawhammer will have 256Kb L2 cache, just like the current Athlon. Given the 104mm² die size for the Clawhammer relative to the Athlon on .13um, 512Kb L2 cache is theoretically impossible . Sledgehammer will be available with 512Kb and 1Mb L2 cache.

AMD has said Clawhammer will use single-channel PC2100 or PC2700 DDR, depending on market conditions. The memory frequency will be tied to the processor frequency (through a divider), so even if the initial 3400+ model uses PC2100, it's entirely possible that a 3800+ or 4000+ model would use PC2700.
 
Not I . . . unless I return from Hawaii completely broke. 🙂

I am looking forward to doubling the speed of my 1.24Ghz Celeron along with a new videocard (GF4 or 8500) in April or May. It should thenhold me until there is a significant reason for upgrading again (it looks like a 8500 or GF4 should do fine for the upcoming crop of video games due late Q4).

I like being behind the hardware technology curve but still ahead of the gaming software . . . for money saving reasons.
 


<< Not I . . . unless I return from Hawaii completely broke. 🙂

I am looking forward to doubling the speed of my 1.24Ghz Celeron along with a new videocard (GF4 or 8500) in April or May. It should thenhold me until there is a significant reason for upgrading again (it looks like a 8500 or GF4 should do fine for the upcoming crop of video games due late Q4).

I like being behind the hardware technology curve but still ahead of the gaming software . . . for money saving reasons. >>


I'm looking more toward productivity than games. ClawHammer + 1GB DDR333 + nView capable video card + my 18.1" LCD + another 15.1" LCD = heaven 😀
 
You mean games != productivity? Damn, I knew there was some reason my business wasn't seeing profits.

Seriously though, I'm not intentionally holding off for Clawhammer, it's just that unless something really breaks I don't upgrade. What will be interesting to see is if that lasts me through to 3GIO, serial ATA, etc... That will be a pretty big change.
 


<< You mean games != productivity? Damn, I knew there was some reason my business wasn't seeing profits.

Seriously though, I'm not intentionally holding off for Clawhammer, it's just that unless something really breaks I don't upgrade. What will be interesting to see is if that lasts me through to 3GIO, serial ATA, etc... That will be a pretty big change. >>


I'm hoping that Clawhammer boards with come with Serial ATA onboard...or at least Serial-ATA and standard IDE connectors
 
I currently have no upgrade plans at all, and Im still using a 800mhz Slot A Athlon.

For what I do my system runs fine. I will probably hold out upgrading and just build a new system when this one gets slow (well slow to me, some would already call it slow)...
 


<< 'm looking more toward productivity than games. >>


Screw productivity . . . I'm plenty productive.

Give me GAMES. Photo-realistic games with excellent physics and decent AI.

😀

 
hmmm

i gotta northwood 1.6 @ 2.2. ya. i think i'll wait for the Clawhammer.

it would really be stupid and a waste of money for me to upgrade from my 2.2 to the soon to be p4 3.0.

but, it really depends on what the clawhammers debut at (pricewise) and how they continue to price it. will it ever get to reasonable range $150 to $220? if not, i'll probably not upgrade till it does fall in that range.
 
It's been confirmed (and no, I don't have a link for you) that Clawhammer will have 256Kb L2 cache, just like the current Athlon. Given the 104mm² die size for the Clawhammer relative to the Athlon on .13um, 512Kb L2 cache is theoretically impossible . Sledgehammer will be available with 512Kb and 1Mb L2 cache.


That's interesting seeing as how Anandtech pretty much said that the Clawhammer will debut with 512k of L2 and that fitting a cache of that size "shouldn't be too difficult" as opposed to "theoretically impossible." Most other sites also indicate 512k for the Clawhammer and 1MB for the Sledge. Just do a search on Google using "Hammer + L2 cache" and you'll see what I mean...
 
I just got my XP1800 up and running and I will upgrade when the final Athlon (T-Bred or Barton) comes out and is about $150.
 
I have my 1.33Ghz Tbird DDR Rig up fine and I won't upgrade till I can get a board with all the following:

1)Firewire and USB 2.0 integrated
2)Dual Clawhammer
3)Serial ATA
4)Maybe 3GIO if I can hold out that long

That would be a killer system
 


<< Give me GAMES. Photo-realistic games with excellent physics and decent AI. >>

I'll drink to that!

I've already pulled the trigger. Had to upgrade...many good games coming this spring/summer. ClawHammer, even if it ships in 4Q is just too far off. I'll upgrade now and let ya'll work out the kinks in that Hammer. 🙂
 
It seems to me that all there is to a processor is speed. Having spanking new features to brag about while they don't bring a dramatic speed increase isn't exactly the best reason to get a processor. The Hammer is new and as with all new technology, it requires a little refining before it's palatable. If you're dead set on having the chip with the most technobabble to talk about, sure why not. But as far as I'm concerned, the 64-bit extentions at this early a time is a waste.
 


<< It seems to me that all there is to a processor is speed. Having spanking new features to brag about while they don't bring a dramatic speed increase isn't exactly the best reason to get a processor. The Hammer is new and as with all new technology, it requires a little refining before it's palatable. If you're dead set on having the chip with the most technobabble to talk about, sure why not. But as far as I'm concerned, the 64-bit extentions at this early a time is a waste. >>


The ClawHammer has speed, performance, and features. The integrated memory controller on the CPU and the HyperTransport links SCREAM performance. So what's your point? Anyway, as for 64-bit extensions they DO make a difference and if they didn't AMD wouldn't have implemented them and Microsoft wouldn't me making a version of 64-bit Windows XP for it.
 
I tend to skip several generations of architectures at a time.

I went from a 486 to a BX system, and guess what - I'm still on BX (with CPU upgrades, now at a Celeron 880, and several new vid cards). Strangely, enough, my Celeron 880 gives me MUCH more productivity than my P4 1.6 GHz at work. At home on my Celeron I've got Windows XP and lots of excellent peripherals. On my P4 at work I've got Windows NT 4. 🙁

I'll probably get a DVD burner before I get a new motherboard/CPU combo.

I'm guessing by the time 3+ GHz chips come out it will be time for me to upgrade.

Long live BX!
 
I'm waiting to updrade my 1.2 TBird until the ClawHammer comes out, but only because the price on T-Breds will be lower then. The Claw will be too rich for my blood.
 
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