How many Arabic speaking coutries have a modern, democratic, constitutional government?

[0roo0roo]

well just look at how turkey did it. total smackdown on extremist religion.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
OH:

Another answer that is much easier for the common person to understand than the complex web of artificially created countries and externally imposed dictatorships is that Muslims and Arabic speaking people in general are savages who are incapable of coming to democracy on thier own. They don't share our values, hate freedom, hate women, hate other religions, and want to spread a tehocracy with no human rights around the world.

I believe that answer is easier for joe sixpack to understand so you may use it as an alternate to the colonial map drawing historical basis.

Isn't that pretty much what Czar said?

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well just look at how turkey did it. total smackdown on extremist religion.

the current turkish administration is a muslim one so I don't see your point

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well just look at how turkey did it. total smackdown on extremist religion.

the current turkish administration is a muslim one so I don't see your point

and are they allowed to invoke sharia law? no, its a democratic government. sure theres a swing back, but the point is they've been muzzled.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

 

[freegeeks]

Turkey
Indonesia?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well just look at how turkey did it. total smackdown on extremist religion.

Turkey doesn't speak Arabic and it isn't populated by Arabs.

Also, Syria isn't a democracy.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Turkey
Indonesia?

They are dominated by muslims(Indonesia having the largest population of Muslims), but neither are Arab nations.

 

[0roo0roo]

As the discussion of "democratization" of the Middle East continues, an important point that must be made time and time again, is the importance in building structures that liberate the minorities of the region from oppression.

Non-Arab and Non-Muslim minorities live throughout North Africa and the Middle East. Contrary to the propaganda that the region is Arab/Muslim, these minorities are remnants of the indigenous peoples, before the great Arab imperialist wars of the7 th century, and "Islamicization process" that followed. Non-Arab Muslims like the Kurds in Iraq, Syria, Turkey, and Iran; the Berbers - known as Amazighes - in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya, have all resisted "Arabization" for over1 , 000years. Non-Muslims like the Assyrian Christians in Iraq - who argue that they are not Arabs - the Copts in Egypt, Christian Lebanese - many who claim not to be Arab but Phoenician - the Christians in Sudan, and other Christians throughout the region, have been persecuted minorities, since the rise of Islam. Others like the Druze and Jews have also been persecuted by Arab/Muslim regimes throughout history. And we can now see, from the recent Sunni terror attacks on Shiites in Iraq - and Bin La den?s recent statements that Shiites are heretics - that even some Muslims - Shiites and other non-Sunnis - are persecuted minorities in parts of the Middle East.

http://www.kurdmedia.com/reports.asp?id=1935

ah oppression

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

Lebanon is a democracy stop saying BS!

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

Lebanon is a democracy stop saying BS!

Has Syria stop occupying Lebanon and I missed it?

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

Lebanon is a democracy stop saying BS!

Has Syria stop occupying Lebanon and I missed it?

what prove do you have that syria is occupying lebanon? are the Lebanese people protesting the occupation (I'm talking about the majority), is the government screaming for international help! so what is it then?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

Lebanon is a democracy stop saying BS!

Has Syria stop occupying Lebanon and I missed it?

what prove do you have that syria is occupying lebanon? are the Lebanese people protesting the occupation (I'm talking about the majority), is the government screaming for international help! so what is it then?

They may not be occupied by Syria but are controlled by Syria and Iran (Hezbolla).

They have no power to control and/or remove the foriegn "troops/terrorist" nor the desire to.

They are only a governemnt because none of the Arab countries wants their headache.

If a country can not secure their borders, then what type of country are they.

Maybe the world should give it back to Arafat and his thugs.

Ooops, I forgot that they do not want any country, just handouts

 

[Czar]

basicly the Arab world suffers the same problem as much of Africa does, borders put down on a map that didnt reprisent the reality on the ground

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

How do you explain Israel? It's a modern, democratic, constitutional government and it was cobbled together by a western mandate.

Are they a primarily Arab-speaking nation?

The point was that Arab nations are not demcratic because they were patched together by western nations out of the old Ottoman Empire.

My point is the Israel was cobbled together too and yet it's a flourishing democracy.

Understand?

Please see my post above, but I don't think you are fully realizing the differences in the essential nature of Israel which was created geographically by UN mandate with no political constraints and a unified population (Jews) and the Arab states which were cobbled together geographically with disparite religious and ethnic groups, Sunnis, Shia, Kurds, Christians, and had imposed political systems put in place. Totally different levels of outside influence.

You forgot to mention that were large Jewish populations in many of the Arab states, but no matter: most Jews and Christians have been driven out.

Do you really think that if the lines were drawn differently there would have been a different outcome?

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

Lebanon is a democracy stop saying BS!

Has Syria stop occupying Lebanon and I missed it?

what prove do you have that syria is occupying lebanon? are the Lebanese people protesting the occupation (I'm talking about the majority), is the government screaming for international help! so what is it then?

They may not be occupied by Syria but are controlled by Syria and Iran (Hezbolla).

They have no power to control and/or remove the foriegn "troops/terrorist" nor the desire to.

They are only a governemnt because none of the Arab countries wants their headache.

If a country can not secure their borders, then what type of country are they.

Maybe the world should give it back to Arafat and his thugs.

Ooops, I forgot that they do not want any country, just handouts

Hey that sounds like Iraq in a few weeks.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

Lebanon is a democracy stop saying BS!

a democracy where opposition is kidnapped and tortured by syrians and their supporters. thats some democracy there

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

Lebanon is a democracy stop saying BS!

a democracy where opposition is kidnapped and tortured by syrians and their supporters. thats some democracy there

who are you referring to?

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

How do you explain Israel? It's a modern, democratic, constitutional government and it was cobbled together by a western mandate.

Are they a primarily Arab-speaking nation?

The point was that Arab nations are not demcratic because they were patched together by western nations out of the old Ottoman Empire.

My point is the Israel was cobbled together too and yet it's a flourishing democracy.

Understand?

Please see my post above, but I don't think you are fully realizing the differences in the essential nature of Israel which was created geographically by UN mandate with no political constraints and a unified population (Jews) and the Arab states which were cobbled together geographically with disparite religious and ethnic groups, Sunnis, Shia, Kurds, Christians, and had imposed political systems put in place. Totally different levels of outside influence.

You forgot to mention that were large Jewish populations in many of the Arab states, but no matter: most Jews and Christians have been driven out.

Do you really think that if the lines were drawn differently there would have been a different outcome?

Israel was created in another time, where you wanted to create a country that should do up for the wrong things done to the Jews during WWII. The Arab states had a very strategic position, since they have a lot of oil. So earlier it was thought the best way to keep stability and keep the countries on our side, was to enforce a strong dictator so that the Sovjets didn't get the oil, and we got plenty. Now that the world has changed, democracies seem to be a better option for a stable world. But I think that many Arabs feel that when US/Europe has been supporting these dictators, they helped supressing their freedom and interfered far to much in their lives. Just think what you would think if some large outside country tried to influence your presidential election. The difference is just that the Arabs have never been allowed to choose, because foreign countries saw it better for themself to keep the dictators/kings/sheiks.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

Lebanon is a democracy stop saying BS!

Has Syria stop occupying Lebanon and I missed it?

what prove do you have that syria is occupying lebanon? are the Lebanese people protesting the occupation (I'm talking about the majority), is the government screaming for international help! so what is it then?

Syrian Occupation of Lebanon

Syrian occupation suffocates Lebanon, and the world shrugs.

SYRIA'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF LEBANON: 25 YEARS LATER

SYRIAN MOTIVES FOR LEBANON'S OCCUPATION

SYRIA IS RESPONSIBLE Lebanon

"We Don't Need Syria" in Lebanon

Free Lebanon Now

Syria makes only cosmetic changes to its occupation

 

[arsbanned]

So what, does this prove anything? No, just another pointless thread by a Bush cheerleader.
Get this though your head: It's not up to the U.S. to mkae every other part of the World as fVcked up as we are!

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

How do you explain Israel? It's a modern, democratic, constitutional government and it was cobbled together by a western mandate.

Are they a primarily Arab-speaking nation?

The point was that Arab nations are not demcratic because they were patched together by western nations out of the old Ottoman Empire.

My point is the Israel was cobbled together too and yet it's a flourishing democracy.

Understand?

Please see my post above, but I don't think you are fully realizing the differences in the essential nature of Israel which was created geographically by UN mandate with no political constraints and a unified population (Jews) and the Arab states which were cobbled together geographically with disparite religious and ethnic groups, Sunnis, Shia, Kurds, Christians, and had imposed political systems put in place. Totally different levels of outside influence.

You forgot to mention that were large Jewish populations in many of the Arab states, but no matter: most Jews and Christians have been driven out.

Do you really think that if the lines were drawn differently there would have been a different outcome?

Israel was created in another time, where you wanted to create a country that should do up for the wrong things done to the Jews during WWII. The Arab states had a very strategic position, since they have a lot of oil. So earlier it was thought the best way to keep stability and keep the countries on our side, was to enforce a strong dictator so that the Sovjets didn't get the oil, and we got plenty. Now that the world has changed, democracies seem to be a better option for a stable world. But I think that many Arabs feel that when US/Europe has been supporting these dictators, they helped supressing their freedom and interfered far to much in their lives. Just think what you would think if some large outside country tried to influence your presidential election. The difference is just that the Arabs have never been allowed to choose, because foreign countries saw it better for themself to keep the dictators/kings/sheiks.

well thats all good cept for the fact that many arab countries were very cozy with the soviets.

 

[biostud]

well thats all good cept for the fact that many arab countries were very cozy with the soviets.

The Soviets did the same ofcourse, they also wanted strong "followers" that could deliver oil. I should have put that in as well, and not only blame US/Europe.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

yes, they do have a democratic system but these dudes here are ignoring it

not at all, your the one ignoring syria

Lebanon is a democracy stop saying BS!

Has Syria stop occupying Lebanon and I missed it?

what prove do you have that syria is occupying lebanon? are the Lebanese people protesting the occupation (I'm talking about the majority), is the government screaming for international help! so what is it then?

Syrian Occupation of Lebanon

Syrian occupation suffocates Lebanon, and the world shrugs.

SYRIA'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF LEBANON: 25 YEARS LATER

SYRIAN MOTIVES FOR LEBANON'S OCCUPATION

SYRIA IS RESPONSIBLE Lebanon

"We Don't Need Syria" in Lebanon

Free Lebanon Now

Syria makes only cosmetic changes to its occupation

this is no prove, these site are by former Falanges members and pro-Israelis you don't expect me to believe that!!!