How many Arabic speaking coutries have a modern, democratic, constitutional government?

[Riprorin]

Answer: None.

That's right, there are 18 nations that have Arabic as their first language and none have a modern, democratic, constitutional government.

Why?

 

[Czar]

different culture than the ones we have

 

[conjur]

Why must there be?

 

[tnitsuj]

Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

 

[zephyrprime]

It's because of the British. They installed monarchies that they could control in all the coutries in the Arabic world which they arbitrarily drew up.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
It's because of the British. They installed monarchies that they could control in all the coutries in the Arabic world which they arbitrarily drew up.

The French had a hand in it as well. The US has always been the major backer of the Saudi Monarchy which is arguaby the source of most of the hard line Islamic fundamentalism.

 

[tnitsuj]

OH:

Another answer that is much easier for the common person to understand than the complex web of artificially created countries and externally imposed dictatorships is that Muslims and Arabic speaking people in general are savages who are incapable of coming to democracy on thier own. They don't share our values, hate freedom, hate women, hate other religions, and want to spread a tehocracy with no human rights around the world.

I believe that answer is easier for joe sixpack to understand so you may use it as an alternate to the colonial map drawing historical basis.

 

[beer]

Who are we to say what governments they should have, Rip? Why is ours > theirs, it's obvious they aren't particularily conductive to change.

Go back to writing about low-carb threads in OT. YAWRT

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
OH:

Another answer that is much easier for the common person to understand than the complex web of artificially created countries and externally imposed dictatorships is that Muslims and Arabic speaking people in general are savages who are incapable of coming to democracy on thier own. They don't share our values, hate freedom, hate women, hate other religions, and want to spread a tehocracy with no human rights around the world.

I believe that answer is easier for joe sixpack to understand so you may use it as an alternate to the colonial map drawing historical basis.

I think they are well capable, but the West will never give real democracy to these nations, the reason is simple you give them freedom you can't have controle over them results you lost your power over them. Thats why the US now call Libya, Egypt and Jordan good nations blah blah all that crap! remember the US hates competition (cold war) giving them real democracy will flourish these nation with good economy, education etc.. balance of power!!

 

[TommyVercetti]

Even if there was democracy in those places, it would be so corrupt that dictatorship would sound like a better option.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
OH:

Another answer that is much easier for the common person to understand than the complex web of artificially created countries and externally imposed dictatorships is that Muslims and Arabic speaking people in general are savages who are incapable of coming to democracy on thier own. They don't share our values, hate freedom, hate women, hate other religions, and want to spread a tehocracy with no human rights around the world.

I believe that answer is easier for joe sixpack to understand so you may use it as an alternate to the colonial map drawing historical basis.

I think they are well capable, but the West will never give real democracy to these nations, the reason is simple you give them freedom you can't have controle over them results you lost your power over them. Thats why the US now call Libya, Egypt and Jordan good nations blah blah all that crap! remember the US hates competition (cold war) giving them real democracy will flourish these nation with good economy, education etc.. balance of power!!

I don't know about that. It is ultimately not the role of the west to give them something. Check back in another fifty years as the old monarchs and oligarchies lose power and the huge populations of powerless young people start to test the waters even more.

 

[Jhhnn]

The question is, of course, intentionally too narrow. The real question is "How many countries who gained freedom from colonialist rule after ww2 have democratic governments?" As a matter of fact, one might also ask the question "How many new world countries under the umbrella of the monroe doctrine have democratic governments?"

 

[tnitsuj]

I think Riporin wasn't really asking a question.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
OH:

Another answer that is much easier for the common person to understand than the complex web of artificially created countries and externally imposed dictatorships is that Muslims and Arabic speaking people in general are savages who are incapable of coming to democracy on thier own. They don't share our values, hate freedom, hate women, hate other religions, and want to spread a tehocracy with no human rights around the world.

I believe that answer is easier for joe sixpack to understand so you may use it as an alternate to the colonial map drawing historical basis.

I think they are well capable, but the West will never give real democracy to these nations, the reason is simple you give them freedom you can't have controle over them results you lost your power over them. Thats why the US now call Libya, Egypt and Jordan good nations blah blah all that crap! remember the US hates competition (cold war) giving them real democracy will flourish these nation with good economy, education etc.. balance of power!!

So, it's our fault that democracy isn't flourishing in the Arab world?

You're not serious, are you?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

How do you explain Israel? It's a modern, democratic, constitutional government and it was cobbled together by a western mandate.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

How do you explain Israel? It's a modern, democratic, constitutional government and it was cobbled together by a western mandate.

Read the title you made, then you have your answer.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

How do you explain Israel? It's a modern, democratic, constitutional government and it was cobbled together by a western mandate.

Are they a primarily Arab-speaking nation?

 

[TommyVercetti]

Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

How do you explain Israel? It's a modern, democratic, constitutional government and it was cobbled together by a western mandate.

Yes, but the people of Israel have a common cultural/ethnic/religious background and were also transplants from countries that had democratic traditions (at least the European/American Jews).

The same is not true of the Arab countries. They also never had a monarchy imposed on them, but were free to establish thier own government.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Doesn't Lebanon have democracy?

Last I read they have an oddly structured one.(it forces specific groups into certain positions/numbers in government.)

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

How do you explain Israel? It's a modern, democratic, constitutional government and it was cobbled together by a western mandate.

Are they a primarily Arab-speaking nation?

The point was that Arab nations are not demcratic because they were patched together by western nations out of the old Ottoman Empire.

My point is the Israel was cobbled together too and yet it's a flourishing democracy.

Understand?

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Most of those countries are also relatively new countries or were cobbled together based on colonial mandates. That is not condusive to a democracy, but is condusive to represive dicatorships arising.

How do you explain Israel? It's a modern, democratic, constitutional government and it was cobbled together by a western mandate.

Are they a primarily Arab-speaking nation?

The point was that Arab nations are not demcratic because they were patched together by western nations out of the old Ottoman Empire.

My point is the Israel was cobbled together too and yet it's a flourishing democracy.

Understand?

Please see my post above, but I don't think you are fully realizing the differences in the essential nature of Israel which was created geographically by UN mandate with no political constraints and a unified population (Jews) and the Arab states which were cobbled together geographically with disparite religious and ethnic groups, Sunnis, Shia, Kurds, Christians, and had imposed political systems put in place. Totally different levels of outside influence.

 

[0roo0roo]

never ending apologists for the extremists many countries have suffered from being the result of war. and many have survived and turned into democracies, or at the very least do not oppress their own people.

why aren't the cries against arab crimes against their own people louder? fear of being called a racist. of being called insensitive to anothers "culture"... and of course oil. easy to overlook any evil when a strategic resource is in question.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
never ending apologists for the extremists many countries have suffered from being the result of war. and many have survived and turned into democracies, or at the very least do not oppress their own people.

I don't see anyone apologizing for extremists.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I think Riporin wasn't really asking a question.

Well, considering he answered his own initial question, I'm inclined to agree. Looks more like he was posting just to reaffirm his pre-existing belief/opinion, whatever that belief/opinion happens to be.

I could be wrong though, but that will be my ASSumption untill he shows something to the contrary. Which he hasn't so far (But that's just my opinion).