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Cerb

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Aug 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: glenn1
I'd rather live in a world of global warming than the world the "environmentalists" would have us living in if you got your way. I'm sure many feel the same way I do, thus the lack of response to your continual dire predictions of doom.
What....? You would rather live in a world of global warming whose advent would be heralded by the deaths of millions of people across the world due to flooding and rising global temperatures than a world that is working together across all levels of the geo-political stratosphere in order to combat this menace?
You'd rather live in a world where hospitals and schools lose power because it's cloudy?
Every day I get closer and closer to the conclusion that people like you are my sworn enemies. I would do everything in my power to help people across the globe. If it means a 5% tax hike who the f!ck cares. The third world war may be inevitable.
How about a 95% tax hike? What's that you say? You too have limits? Hmm, well then, maybe you don't want to be proposing war just yet.
Solar technology has improved to the point where it can still absorb solar energy even on a cloudy day...


Well ask yourself something, since we're talking about unreasonable extremes here... would u rather pay a 95% tax hike or have you and your children die in much more inhospitable environment? Like say an ice age or your house being flooded? Or having water suddenly become a precious commodity like gold?
While solar technology has improved, it is still quite expensive compared to the obvious solution that everyone in the US ignoring. Nuclear power.
I can't find it googling now, but some company recently patented a process for taking used rods and recycling them to be used for fuel again, and then being able to safely recycle them after that (as opposed to storing them in a mine or whatever).
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Cerb
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: glenn1
I'd rather live in a world of global warming than the world the "environmentalists" would have us living in if you got your way. I'm sure many feel the same way I do, thus the lack of response to your continual dire predictions of doom.
What....? You would rather live in a world of global warming whose advent would be heralded by the deaths of millions of people across the world due to flooding and rising global temperatures than a world that is working together across all levels of the geo-political stratosphere in order to combat this menace?
You'd rather live in a world where hospitals and schools lose power because it's cloudy?
Every day I get closer and closer to the conclusion that people like you are my sworn enemies. I would do everything in my power to help people across the globe. If it means a 5% tax hike who the f!ck cares. The third world war may be inevitable.
How about a 95% tax hike? What's that you say? You too have limits? Hmm, well then, maybe you don't want to be proposing war just yet.
Solar technology has improved to the point where it can still absorb solar energy even on a cloudy day...


Well ask yourself something, since we're talking about unreasonable extremes here... would u rather pay a 95% tax hike or have you and your children die in much more inhospitable environment? Like say an ice age or your house being flooded? Or having water suddenly become a precious commodity like gold?
While solar technology has improved, it is still quite expensive compared to the obvious solution that everyone in the US ignoring. Nuclear power.
I can't find it googling now, but some company recently patented a process for taking used rods and recycling them to be used for fuel again, and then being able to safely recycle them after that (as opposed to storing them in a mine or whatever).



Actually it is not a new idea, it is acalled a breeder reactor. THe only problem is that it creates weapons grade plutonium in the process, which set of the anti war folks.

Of course france uses such technology without any complaints.
 

DealMonkey

Lifer
Nov 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: ntdz
Global warming is a bunch of crap. Nothing major will happen for 150 years, according to the U.N. report. I think it's a lot of hype with no proof or real substance of the dire consequences they say it is. Read State of Fear by Michael Crichton, it's a real eye opener.

You believe the UN?!? :Q WTF?
 
Dec 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Solar technology has improved to the point where it can still absorb solar energy even on a cloudy day...

WTF!! Did you NOT see The Matrix??!!??!!
 

Kibbo

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Jul 13, 2004
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Did you guys hear about the new colloid (suspension) substance that could easily be painted onto sheets of plastic and produce solar collectors that are 30% efficient?

Or about the new coal technologies that can limit 98% of emissions, not only acid rain and mercury emissions, but also CO2?

Combine those with reasonably applied, risk-sensitive emissions controls (only slightly better than a shot in the dark, but at least they're slightly better) and you could easily have an emission-free energy economy in 20 years. Most timelines (even the pessimistic ones) w/r/t climate change work on a century or more.

This proccess could be sped up considerably with government subsidies for reseach and the building of infrastructure.

Technology will not solve every environmental problem we have, (most especially habitat loss, species extinction and others) but for those problems which will impact our own lives directly, it will help matters greatly.

It's a pity for those who live at the border of the Saharah, but that's a class issue, and not an easy discussion on these boards.

Basically, for those who have the resources, and who already live in the northern climes, climate change, (once moderated by new energy technologies, adaptive technologies [dykes, irrigation, desalinization, reforestation, etc.] and reasonably politically acceptable policies,) will do ok.

Sorry to those for whom the preceding sentence was a headache.

Sucks to be those without access to those things. Ah, well, probably isn't going to be worse than the current apocalypse hitting the southern climes. We can hope.
 

miketheidiot

Lifer
Sep 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Solar technology has improved to the point where it can still absorb solar energy even on a cloudy day...

WTF!! Did you NOT see The Matrix??!!??!!

great argument :roll:

first we site a novelist who likes "questionable", now we go to a science fiction movie. Anyother worthless sources that anyone would like to add to this thread?
 

Velk

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Jul 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Solar technology has improved to the point where it can still absorb solar energy even on a cloudy day...

WTF!! Did you NOT see The Matrix??!!??!!

great argument :roll:

first we site a novelist who likes "questionable", now we go to a science fiction movie. Anyother worthless sources that anyone would like to add to this thread?


Mike, I think you need to adjust your sarcasm detector.
 

stratman

Senior member
Oct 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: glenn1
I'd rather live in a world of global warming than the world the "environmentalists" would have us living in if you got your way. I'm sure many feel the same way I do, thus the lack of response to your continual dire predictions of doom.
What....? You would rather live in a world of global warming whose advent would be heralded by the deaths of millions of people across the world due to flooding and rising global temperatures than a world that is working together across all levels of the geo-political stratosphere in order to combat this menace?
You'd rather live in a world where hospitals and schools lose power because it's cloudy?
Every day I get closer and closer to the conclusion that people like you are my sworn enemies. I would do everything in my power to help people across the globe. If it means a 5% tax hike who the f!ck cares. The third world war may be inevitable.

How about a 95% tax hike? What's that you say? You too have limits? Hmm, well then, maybe you don't want to be proposing war just yet.

Solar technology has improved to the point where it can still absorb solar energy even on a cloudy day...


Well ask yourself something, since we're talking about unreasonable extremes here... would u rather pay a 95% tax hike or have you and your children die in much more inhospitable environment? Like say an ice age or your house being flooded? Or having water suddenly become a precious commodity like gold?


While solar technology has improved, it is still quite expensive compared to the obvious solution that everyone in the US ignoring. Nuclear power.

Eh it's good to see a known rightwinger support limiting CO2 emissions and other pollution, seems like too many here adhere religiously to their partisan stance (unless your just trying to get a rise out of the green-peace folks).

Global warming is indeed happening, folks. Most conservatives even admit it, they just say it would happen even without human involvement. In any case, people should support limiting pollution, whether they believe it is contributing to global warming or not.

Nuclear and hydro are probably the best green sources of energy right now, given smart supervisors for the plants, and hydro isn't available everywhere. Taking in to account only radioactive material (ignoring other pollutants, like CO2) coal is worse than nuclear (per energy generated). Coal combustion makes more radioactive sh!t than nuclear. Coal plants are still active in the States, because of the public's aversion to nuclear power.

Renewable, sustainable, green energy is the way of the future, but the public has to put aside misgivings about nuclear power, and let engineers handle the thinking :)

 

arsbanned

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Dec 12, 2003
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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
If major institutions can quote Michael Crichton as a work of scientific acheivement, I should be damn able to use Stephen King for my dissertation.

If your dissertation was on Horror/Dark Fantasy writing, you'd be basing it on the best.
 

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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I don't care about Global warming, I'm not going to be around to see the results of it!
 

aidanjm

Lifer
Aug 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Solar Power is not the only answer. Limiting emissions can help and so can fusion reactions.

Also
-ocean tides (converting motion of tides to electricity)
-wind farms
-fermentation
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: stratman
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: glenn1
I'd rather live in a world of global warming than the world the "environmentalists" would have us living in if you got your way. I'm sure many feel the same way I do, thus the lack of response to your continual dire predictions of doom.
What....? You would rather live in a world of global warming whose advent would be heralded by the deaths of millions of people across the world due to flooding and rising global temperatures than a world that is working together across all levels of the geo-political stratosphere in order to combat this menace?
You'd rather live in a world where hospitals and schools lose power because it's cloudy?
Every day I get closer and closer to the conclusion that people like you are my sworn enemies. I would do everything in my power to help people across the globe. If it means a 5% tax hike who the f!ck cares. The third world war may be inevitable.

How about a 95% tax hike? What's that you say? You too have limits? Hmm, well then, maybe you don't want to be proposing war just yet.

Solar technology has improved to the point where it can still absorb solar energy even on a cloudy day...


Well ask yourself something, since we're talking about unreasonable extremes here... would u rather pay a 95% tax hike or have you and your children die in much more inhospitable environment? Like say an ice age or your house being flooded? Or having water suddenly become a precious commodity like gold?


While solar technology has improved, it is still quite expensive compared to the obvious solution that everyone in the US ignoring. Nuclear power.

Eh it's good to see a known rightwinger support limiting CO2 emissions and other pollution, seems like too many here adhere religiously to their partisan stance (unless your just trying to get a rise out of the green-peace folks).

Global warming is indeed happening, folks. Most conservatives even admit it, they just say it would happen even without human involvement. In any case, people should support limiting pollution, whether they believe it is contributing to global warming or not.

Nuclear and hydro are probably the best green sources of energy right now, given smart supervisors for the plants, and hydro isn't available everywhere. Taking in to account only radioactive material (ignoring other pollutants, like CO2) coal is worse than nuclear (per energy generated). Coal combustion makes more radioactive sh!t than nuclear. Coal plants are still active in the States, because of the public's aversion to nuclear power.

Renewable, sustainable, green energy is the way of the future, but the public has to put aside misgivings about nuclear power, and let engineers handle the thinking :)


I think you find most right wingers have no problem with nuke power or cleaner technology. Kyoto is a bad deal and the the jury is still out what is causing climate change and how big of a problem it is.