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apple wasn't using AMD chips before, they aren't using them now, i dont see how this changes anything

intel is just a *little* bigger now, but they have always had the size over amd

also, amd pwns intel
 

AnyMal

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Because of Apple miniscule market share, the move to Intel is not going to hurt AMD. Beside, knowing how cheap Jobs is, I won't be surprised if he will talk or already is talking to AMD about becoming of their suppliers.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: frankgomez75

Most ppl I build PC's for never even heard of AMD. Often they ask how many gigahertz is it and I have to spend 1/2 hour explaining to them the misconception of that.

Amazing how the power of brainwashing works.

The Intel commercials, even the ones from many years ago are still doing the job for Intel.

Everytime someone asks me about a PC, they say it has to be "Intel Inside".

Then I ask them if they even know what that means and they say they have no idea.

Then I say what about getting a chip with AMD inside and they say they don't want it because it would be an "Intel Inside" PC. <shakes head violently>
 

PingSpike

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AMD has been in a lot worse financial shape in the past then they currently are, IIRC.
 

frankgomez75

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: frankgomez75

Most ppl I build PC's for never even heard of AMD. Often they ask how many gigahertz is it and I have to spend 1/2 hour explaining to them the misconception of that.

Amazing how the power of brainwashing works.

The Intel commercials, even the ones from many years ago are still doing the job for Intel.

Everytime someone asks me about a PC, they say it has to be "Intel Inside".

Then I ask them if they even know what that means and they say they have no idea.

Then I say what about getting a chip with AMD inside and they say they don't want it because it would be an "Intel Inside" PC. <shakes head violently>



Has AMD every made any commercials? If not, why haven't they? Is is money? Hell, I would love to see them put up a commercial of an AMD rig during the Superbowl, running games, apps, etc....
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: frankgomez75
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: frankgomez75

Most ppl I build PC's for never even heard of AMD. Often they ask how many gigahertz is it and I have to spend 1/2 hour explaining to them the misconception of that.

Amazing how the power of brainwashing works.

The Intel commercials, even the ones from many years ago are still doing the job for Intel.

Everytime someone asks me about a PC, they say it has to be "Intel Inside".

Then I ask them if they even know what that means and they say they have no idea.

Then I say what about getting a chip with AMD inside and they say they don't want it because it would be an "Intel Inside" PC. <shakes head violently>

Has AMD every made any commercials? If not, why haven't they? Is is money?
Hell, I would love to see them put up a commercial of an AMD rig during the Superbowl, running games, apps, etc....

I asked that very same question in the CPU Forum.

I just got finished listening to Leo Laporte and the rest of the old Screensaver crew episode 8, Leo put them together and they call it TWit (This Week in Technology) and they distribute the show via Podcast and MP3 files.

They talked about the Apple/Intel merger but not a thing about AMD which was dissapointing.

I'll contact them and see if they will talk about AMD in the next show.
 

wyvrn

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Ok. Why is this deal that big? Does Apple have a big share of the computer market? I think it has been as low as 2%. Apple doesn't sell enough computers for this deal to seriously affect market share of Intel or AMD. Apple is a well-known name, so people are overreacting on the impact it will have with AMD. If I were AMD, I would develop a lower heat,better speed control mobile/video game processor and go for a market which 1) already has significant market share and 2) should be growing exponentially in the future. This deal with Apple has very little real world impact other than some name recognition for Intel and Apple.


Disclaimer: Did not read every post in this thread before posting.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: franksta
You make it seem like processors is their primary source of income. :confused:

They are now, they sold their Flash chip division.

No they didn't. Spansion (as it's called) is a collaboraion with Fujitsu, but AMD didn't sell anything. I know flash engineers that work for Spansion that still get paid by AMD. It's more of a spinoff type situation, but revenues still go to AMD. The only problem is NOR flash is sucking it up big time right now. Cell phones and embedded devices are beginning to switch to NAND becuase of the density superiority. I think AMD actually lost money on flash the past couple quarters.
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: 2cpuminimum
First of all apple is a very small market segment. People who buy macs are either
1. deluded by advertising
2. misinformed by someone who still thinks apple has some advantage or other which it may have had historically but no longer does
3. using software only available on the mac
4. buying a mac just to express individuality and be different like everyone else; as in getting a tattoo/piercing

Pure genius.

Have you actually USED a Mac lately?

I used a mac on a regular basis and I agree :p
 

NiKeFiDO

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Apple picked Intel because Intel is better than AMD.

It's like saying the 350Z (AMD) > Mustang (Intel) but in America the Mustang has more recognition than a 350Z.

if you really think that, your dumb.
P R O F I T M O T I V E - intel gave a better deal.
 

So

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*sigh*

How does this affect AMD AT ALL, other than giving intel, what, maybe 3-5% more annual revenue. The extra money that intel gets is not going to allow them to leap ahead in processor design. :roll:
 
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since Apple is only about 2 percent of the PC market, I don't think this will impact either INTEL or AMD very much... probably not even IBM or motorola.
 

Leper Messiah

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Originally posted by: tfinch2
AMD keeps gaining more and more of the market share. I think they are up to a little more than 16% now.

its actually 19.2% I believe at last count, and went up 1.4% in the last year.

Seriously, this doesn't affect AMD negitively in the slightest. They don't stand to lose any sales from this, so why are the Intel fanboi's crowing "victory shall be mine?"
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Apple picked Intel because Intel is better than AMD.

It's like saying the 350Z (AMD) > Mustang (Intel) but in America the Mustang has more recognition than a 350Z.


Umm that is strictly your opinion ;)

Ausm
 

imported_Phil

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Originally posted by: So
*sigh*

How does this affect AMD AT ALL, other than giving intel, what, maybe 3-5% more annual revenue. The extra money that intel gets is not going to allow them to leap ahead in processor design. :roll:

Ah now, this is true, but this kind of publicity could have done AMD a world of good, and it's not like Intel needs extra publicity anyway ;)
 

So

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Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: So
*sigh*

How does this affect AMD AT ALL, other than giving intel, what, maybe 3-5% more annual revenue. The extra money that intel gets is not going to allow them to leap ahead in processor design. :roll:

Ah now, this is true, but this kind of publicity could have done AMD a world of good, and it's not like Intel needs extra publicity anyway ;)

Oh, don't get me wrong. Getting Apple would have helped AMD a lot, but not getting them didn't hurt them any more than not winning the "no entry required" sweepstakes last week hurt you...
 

imported_Phil

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: So
*sigh*

How does this affect AMD AT ALL, other than giving intel, what, maybe 3-5% more annual revenue. The extra money that intel gets is not going to allow them to leap ahead in processor design. :roll:

Ah now, this is true, but this kind of publicity could have done AMD a world of good, and it's not like Intel needs extra publicity anyway ;)

Oh, don't get me wrong. Getting Apple would have helped AMD a lot, but not getting them didn't hurt them any more than not winning the "no entry required" sweepstakes last week hurt you...

True.
$5 says it's cracked to work on generic x86 within a week of release ;)
 

So

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Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: So
*sigh*

How does this affect AMD AT ALL, other than giving intel, what, maybe 3-5% more annual revenue. The extra money that intel gets is not going to allow them to leap ahead in processor design. :roll:

Ah now, this is true, but this kind of publicity could have done AMD a world of good, and it's not like Intel needs extra publicity anyway ;)

Oh, don't get me wrong. Getting Apple would have helped AMD a lot, but not getting them didn't hurt them any more than not winning the "no entry required" sweepstakes last week hurt you...

True.
$5 says it's cracked to work on generic x86 within a week of release ;)

I'd give it a little longer than that, but it WILL boot on generic hardware withing a few months of release, I guarantee it.
 

irwincur

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Why do all you geeks have to make everything into a Star (Dork) Wars discussion...


It is pretty simple. Apple was having problems with IBM meeting their demands. The thought probably was, well AMD could do the job, but Intel will be a) a lot less expensive and b) much more reliable. Why drop IBM and move to a company that offers what could be viewed as less reliability.

Personally I like AMD more than Intel, however, when making a life or death decision, you go with the guys who are at the top. Now, I think that Apple could have maintained their fake countercultre marketing BS if they had gone with AMD, and they would have had a better performing chip. However, there is also a huge advantage to just conforming. I believe that Intel also is playing a large part in this as they have hit a point with Dell where Dell is actually the more powerful partner in the relationship. Apple could be Intel's hedge against Dell going AMD. With this announcement I would also greatly increase the chances of Dell finally going AMD with some products. Kind of a pay back for stabbing them in the back.

Whatever the case this really does not mean all that much to Intel. It means about the same to AMD. This market never existed, and it is small, so there is not much to lose.
 

So

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Why do all you geeks have to make everything into a Star (Dork) Wars discussion...
Was that really necessary?

It is pretty simple. Apple was having problems with IBM meeting their demands. nobody denied that
The thought probably was, well AMD could do the job,
AFAIK, they never said a word about AMD, and I kind of dubt that AMD could do the job (in terms of manufacturing not chip performance)
but Intel will be a) a lot less expensive
probably not, I suspect that AMD could not charge more, since intel's prices are more or less set by market forces (since the k6-2 came along and ended intel's chip price gouging monopoly all those years ago)
and b) much more reliable. I assume you mean as a manufacutrer, which I agree with, but if you mean a more reliable computer? Don't start
Why drop IBM and move to a company that offers what could be viewed as less reliability.
This makes me think that you mean that AMD CPUs are less reliable. Remember, apple is going to be making their own chipset anyway (to lock out Windows/lock OSX to their systems). I don't think which CPU manufacturer they choose matters to the end consumer, since apple machines aren't going to have 'intel inside' on the box....90% of apple useres probably have no clue what a G5 is, so and AMD Athlon would be effectively the same. This is not a consideration either
Personally I like AMD more than Intel, however, when making a life or death decision, you go with the guys who are at the top.
No, you go with the company that fits your needs, in Apple's case this was intel, befote yesterday, it was IBM

Now, I think that Apple could have maintained their fake countercultre marketing BS if they had gone with AMD, and they would have had a better performing chip.
Big fan of apple, I see. I agree that they sell image, but they're a corporation, just like any other
However, there is also a huge advantage to just conforming.
Wiat...see your own last statement
I believe that Intel also is playing a large part in this as they have hit a point with Dell where Dell is actually the more powerful partner in the relationship.
I disagree. Dell may be approaching a monopsony on the chip supply, but Intel is the only company that can even BEGIN to supply their demands. Dell couldn't switch to AMD if they wanted to. AMD just can't manufacture chips fast enough to supply dell.

Apple could be Intel's hedge against Dell going AMD. With this announcement I would also greatly increase the chances of Dell finally going AMD with some products. Kind of a pay back for stabbing them in the back.
Companies rerely play this kind of game. The $$ are simply too big to refuse a contract, and don't see how dell would be even slightly annoyed by this move :confused:

Whatever the case this really does not mean all that much to Intel. It means about the same to AMD. This market never existed, and it is small, so there is not much to lose.

 

imported_Phil

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: So
*sigh*

How does this affect AMD AT ALL, other than giving intel, what, maybe 3-5% more annual revenue. The extra money that intel gets is not going to allow them to leap ahead in processor design. :roll:

Ah now, this is true, but this kind of publicity could have done AMD a world of good, and it's not like Intel needs extra publicity anyway ;)

Oh, don't get me wrong. Getting Apple would have helped AMD a lot, but not getting them didn't hurt them any more than not winning the "no entry required" sweepstakes last week hurt you...

True.
$5 says it's cracked to work on generic x86 within a week of release ;)

I'd give it a little longer than that, but it WILL boot on generic hardware withing a few months of release, I guarantee it.

I don't doubt it. That'd be sweet, being able to dual-boot OSX and XP; although I can run Mac stuff in a window under PearPC, and although they've made a lot of speed improvements, it's still as slow as molasses :)