The initial reading of the review of Ryan, led me to beliewe AMD use of a wider 512b bus, and the associated cost of eg. pcb, was more than outweigted by the reduction in diesize. Giving good cost perf. going from 288GB/s at Tahity to 320BG/s Hawai (5GHz mem).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review/3
I interpreted this as the saved diesize would lead to lower clocked - and cheaper - mem. Still sounds reasonable and sensible to me.
But then the oc results started to come in, and what stroke me was the seemingly inability
to run lower than 6.4Ghz whatever 5Ghz ram brand was on the card giving 20-25% oc out the gate.
Nearly 1½ year ago Charlie at SA predicted NV 680 would beat Tahiti and the reason was a "fixed" memory Interface because it was "broken" earlier. When 680 hit what was striking and still is, the far more efficient memory interface compared to Tahiti. Among fully inaccurate things Charlie got this fully acurate.
I therefore went to Charlie to see his matter on the subject. And his part on the memory on Hawai is imho quite interesting:
"The memory controllers are claimed to be far more efficient and use 20% less area than the 384b controller in Tahiti. 20% faster and 20% smaller seems a bit odd for a 33% wider controller but the reason for it is quite simple, powers of two. With a power of two memory width there was no need to put crossbar in front of the memory controllers so that area was saved. Not having to make a few extra switches also means faster and lower latency throughput as well. The dual DMA engines can saturate a PCIe3 16x bus so getting data on and off the card itself shouldn’t be a problem either.
The memory controller architecture is based on those in Bonaire with only minor changes but Hawaii runs them significantly slower than the two generation older Tahiti. Why did we call a 5.0GHz GDDR5 interface a good thing earlier? Easy, Bonaire had a screamingly fast memory controller, it wasn’t hard to find one that would clock to more than 7.0GHz, way more, if you had the right memory. This wasn’t golden sample or hand polished memory just vanilla chips and random memory would often overclock like mad. So think about a cleaned up version of that, twice as wide and clocked very low. Then think about the special edition 290XXX’s or whatever that will surely come out soon. Then grin."
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/10/23/long-look-amds-hawaii-volcanic-islands-architecture/
If one is able to handle Charlies typical style that what was "broken" and "fixed" for NV is an improvement for AMD 1½ year later - and lead to grin, one might apriciate the valuable information actually presumably given here.
That lead me to look at bonaire (Its labelled 7790, for those of you who like me, dont follow the low end). I have always looked as that gpu as one of the most uninteresting gpu of all time and didnt care for it a second. Well it probably is the forefather/mother of Hawai, all iterations of comming playstation, xbox, kaveri. Probably the most important gpu for AMD ever. A soc without cpu and 3g and lte. lol.
And the overclocking of this cheap gpu is like this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/XFX/HD_7790_Black_Edition_OC/29.html
XFX HD 7790 Black Ed. core, 1220 MHz, memory 1940 MHz (near 8Ghz)
So is the memory controller of Hawai good perf/mm2 but made for lower speed or was the memory controller in Tahiti "broken" and "fixed" in Hawai leading to 25% higher speed and bandwith for the non ref cards or perhaps upcomming 295?
Whats your take on it?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review/3
I interpreted this as the saved diesize would lead to lower clocked - and cheaper - mem. Still sounds reasonable and sensible to me.
But then the oc results started to come in, and what stroke me was the seemingly inability
to run lower than 6.4Ghz whatever 5Ghz ram brand was on the card giving 20-25% oc out the gate.
Nearly 1½ year ago Charlie at SA predicted NV 680 would beat Tahiti and the reason was a "fixed" memory Interface because it was "broken" earlier. When 680 hit what was striking and still is, the far more efficient memory interface compared to Tahiti. Among fully inaccurate things Charlie got this fully acurate.
I therefore went to Charlie to see his matter on the subject. And his part on the memory on Hawai is imho quite interesting:
"The memory controllers are claimed to be far more efficient and use 20% less area than the 384b controller in Tahiti. 20% faster and 20% smaller seems a bit odd for a 33% wider controller but the reason for it is quite simple, powers of two. With a power of two memory width there was no need to put crossbar in front of the memory controllers so that area was saved. Not having to make a few extra switches also means faster and lower latency throughput as well. The dual DMA engines can saturate a PCIe3 16x bus so getting data on and off the card itself shouldn’t be a problem either.
The memory controller architecture is based on those in Bonaire with only minor changes but Hawaii runs them significantly slower than the two generation older Tahiti. Why did we call a 5.0GHz GDDR5 interface a good thing earlier? Easy, Bonaire had a screamingly fast memory controller, it wasn’t hard to find one that would clock to more than 7.0GHz, way more, if you had the right memory. This wasn’t golden sample or hand polished memory just vanilla chips and random memory would often overclock like mad. So think about a cleaned up version of that, twice as wide and clocked very low. Then think about the special edition 290XXX’s or whatever that will surely come out soon. Then grin."
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/10/23/long-look-amds-hawaii-volcanic-islands-architecture/
If one is able to handle Charlies typical style that what was "broken" and "fixed" for NV is an improvement for AMD 1½ year later - and lead to grin, one might apriciate the valuable information actually presumably given here.
That lead me to look at bonaire (Its labelled 7790, for those of you who like me, dont follow the low end). I have always looked as that gpu as one of the most uninteresting gpu of all time and didnt care for it a second. Well it probably is the forefather/mother of Hawai, all iterations of comming playstation, xbox, kaveri. Probably the most important gpu for AMD ever. A soc without cpu and 3g and lte. lol.
And the overclocking of this cheap gpu is like this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/XFX/HD_7790_Black_Edition_OC/29.html
XFX HD 7790 Black Ed. core, 1220 MHz, memory 1940 MHz (near 8Ghz)
So is the memory controller of Hawai good perf/mm2 but made for lower speed or was the memory controller in Tahiti "broken" and "fixed" in Hawai leading to 25% higher speed and bandwith for the non ref cards or perhaps upcomming 295?
Whats your take on it?
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