How long until somebody does something about Syria?

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  1. Doppel

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    He is a legit target if in an official war. Perhaps one need be declared on him so that this could happen. His wife will find it particularly hard to go on shopping trips if she is being rushed for safe house to safe house as well.
     
  2. JEDIYoda

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    How long until somebody does something about Syria?

    oh...about as long as it takes one of Lemon Law`s predictions to come true..lol
     
  3. Karl Agathon

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    I have to admit, i'm very conflicted on this issue. I do find it very telling how the surrounding Arab nations and the Arab League have been basically useless. The Arab league and UN having been issuing nothing but lip service. Not lifting a finger to help. Boy oh boy though, if the U.S. decided to get involved, you can bet there would be calls for jihad by many in the Arab world and how once again, America would be criticized for being the world police. Red China is supposedly a "rising superpower" why doesnt she do anything?
     
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  4. cybrsage

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    Due to the Libyan intervention, we are caught in a catch-22. If we go in, we are trampling on the Russian's ally - that is bad for obvious reasons. However, if we do not go in, we alienate the group which wins the fight (and it will be the rebels eventually).

    The rebels already have held up signs saying the world was safer with American Republicans in office and blaming Obama for attributing to the many deaths.

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    It is pretty telling when Islamic Arabs are wishing Bush was in office still...
     
  5. davmat787

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    What I would like to know is just what effort the Obama administration has made to work with the Russians on this problem. Any outside solution will have to involve the Russians, so have we or anyone else even tried yet? Syria is money and land for a military base to Russia, their only base outside Russia's borders in fact.
     
  6. senseamp

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    Yeah, it's nice having an American idiot president ready to blow a Trillion dollars to fight on your behalf.
     
  7. Hacp

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    Why should we worry about Syria? Why should we help the Syrian rebels? Look at what the Lybian rebels have done? Once they got in power, they started to rape, kill and pillage. If we do end up doing something in Syria, I would suggest just sending 10 nukes to get rid of the damn place. At least it would stop taking so much space and time on the news.
     
  8. cybrsage

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    It is pretty sad when Islamic Arabs want Obama LESS than the man who invaded TWO Islamic nations.
     
  9. BoberFett

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    Craig the war monger.
     
  10. BoomerD

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    But...if Bush would have decided to help Libya, he'd have invaded Australia. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Craig234

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    Don't blame the UN, blame the people who hold power over the UN who have given it very limited power and support to do anything.

    I support the UN having a stronger role; those who attack the UN have no place criticizing it for not doing more when they are the cause (not saying you fit that).

    The UN security council is meeting right now about this. Let's hope they decide to take action.
     
  12. gevorg

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    Whoever is arming the rebels, needs to stop, they're just adding fuel to fire (I suspect its nearby countries, possibly by third parties that originated from NATO). Rebels will not overpower the Assad by themselves. The Russians have the ball in their court now, they need to heavily press on Assad and tell him that if he doesn't do what we/UN say, with proof, we'll step back and make him another Qaddafi. Continuing to send weapons to Assad is a very bad game on their part.

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  13. Harabec

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    Why should anything be done with Syria? Why Syria anyway? Why not Darfur? Or are they worth less than Syrians?

    The world is an evil place. People die. You can't save everyone, even if you care about them.
     
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    In the realm of geopolitical importance, Syria is far more important than Darfur. A life is a life, and all are equally important, but to a government, they are both equally unimportant...
     
  15. Doppel

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    Actually, I probably do from time to time.

    I have always hated the veto votes in the un security council and it's likely Russia or China would use it again this time to ensure nobody can do anything.
    MAYBE this could be a quicker way to stop killing. If the buck stops with one guy and you take him out he falls apart. Africa seems to mired in war like it's an entrenched part of the psyche of many there, as if there really is nothing to ever be done about it.
     
  16. Craig234

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    Actually, I think criticizing the vetoes is supporting a stronger UN. There are practical issues about what to do if the vetoes are removed, and the UN passes a measure a major power disagrees with and the major power refuses to go along with it - the UN is not really going to say 'ok, let's start a war with the major power to force them to do what the majority wants'.

    Not sure how to solve that - one issue is how the UN needs to ask for everything for each mission that's approved.

    Should the UN have funding and a large force established in advance it can use?

    That is politically unlikely - countries seem to much prefer spending on their own defense forces to contributing to the UN's, the US more than most.

    So, it's not so much the UN that's broken on this, as the countries' politics for peace.

    It doesn't seem like we can get around the problem issues - even if nationalism leads to oppression and war, countries prefer it - and a strong UN still can have 'corrupt' votes, because it's nations voting their interests that are not necessarily 'justice'. Instead it's not clear how to mainly have it be useful, on security issues, for more than smaller bad countries with a broad consensus having measures taken - a Libya, Iraq, Syria. And even there, there are veto issues as it stands.

    And the US isn't perfect on this - while Russia and China protect wrongdoing countries, the US has done the same - and is almost guaranteed not to vote against Israel.

    So, it's useful for those weaker countries that don't have a veto power country allied.

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  17. dawheat

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    And thank God for that
     
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    Forgot one:

    3. Syria is in the axis power with Iran.

    Attack Syria, piss off Iran, much bigger conflict.




    Syria is a clear example of how the UN got the nickname Useless Nations. This type of situation is what the UN should be solving, together as the world.

    The blowback from Iran will be less severe if a UN joint mission stopped the violence vs just the US doing it alone.

    Iran isnt dumb enough to attack everyone.
     
  19. cybrsage

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    Interestingly enough, right now that might be a bad thing for Iran. Since it appears many want to war with Iran, if we can force their hand via Syria we get what we want and they are the cause.




    I agree with all of this.
     
  20. randomrogue

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    Total deaths: ~14,000

    That's about the same as those who died in Mexico during the last half of last year.

    Total Deaths in Mexico during the last 5 years due to Drug Violence: ~50,000

    It's really hard for me to justify spending a trillion dollars sending a couple hundred thousand soldiers overseas (or whatever ridiculous shit we'd come up with) when we have our own problems here at our own border.
     
  21. davmat787

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    Very good point about the UN, or rather its failure to handle this situation. This article about the UN and Syria was just posted, thought a link would be in order. Unfortunately, I expect Assad is quite aware of the UN's impotence and unwillingness to engage in any sort of the type of action this situation needs.

    UN envoy Kofi Annan set to meet Syria's Bashar al-Assad

     
  22. rchiu

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    UN is working as intended. It give world powers veto to prevent anyone force the issue and create conflict. If Russia feel strong enough to veto in UN, it will feel strong enough to supply Syria arm, or even engage in the conflict if US and allies go at it without UN.

    UN simulates world politics, except that it let the politics work itself out in the conference room and not war zones.

    Nobody care about Iran, nobody is doing anything about Syria because of Russia, plain and simple. Syria is at the heart of central asia, Russia's play ground and is Russia's strategic partners. Russia want to exert control and establish their influence in this region, much like the US want to do in few other countries. You don't want to start engaging Syria rebels unless you want to start a proxy fight with Russia.
     
  23. piasabird

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    Why dont you strap on a back pack buy a gun and head that direction? Why ask someone else to fight the war? You dont expect Europeans to sign up to die for syrians do you?
     
  24. fskimospy

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    Of course we've tried. We have been trying for about a year now. There have been massive diplomatic efforts at all levels to try and get the Russians to stop their support for the Syrian government.
     
  25. fskimospy

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    I sincerely doubt we would be sending any significant amounts of troops to Syria. We would be looking more towards the Libyan model.