How long does it take to get a black belt?

[Looney]

I can see most people here no nothing about the "Belt" In any version of martial arts Belts are ALL
decided by the "Dojo" Some use 6-8 different colors and some use "Degrees" Example Yellow belt 2nd degree
all the way up to Black belt 8th degree or some places the 9th Degree Black Belt. Also heres the important part
you may earn a black belt at a certain dojo BUT if you decide to transfer to another the "Sensei" May not accept
the Belt and start you at a lower belt maybe even "White" which is the first belt you get at ANY dojo.

That's not true... there is actually committess and regulation and how people can advance in certain martial arts. Now, not all martial arts are regulated, but most of Karate and TKD, are regulated. When you have 'grading', there has to be an authorized grader. When you start getting the various degrees in black belt, you even have to fly over to Korea or Japan to be properly graded.

Technically, if you're a black belt in one dojo, but transfered to another dojo that's practacing the same style, it should transfer over just fine.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: CrazyPerson
i spend 4 years, thats 3 hour per day, 6 days per week on karate and have a black belt

I have a black belt too, but wtf would you waste all that time on karate?

 

[Epoman]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

I can see most people here no nothing about the "Belt" In any version of martial arts Belts are ALL
decided by the "Dojo" Some use 6-8 different colors and some use "Degrees" Example Yellow belt 2nd degree
all the way up to Black belt 8th degree or some places the 9th Degree Black Belt. Also heres the important part
you may earn a black belt at a certain dojo BUT if you decide to transfer to another the "Sensei" May not accept
the Belt and start you at a lower belt maybe even "White" which is the first belt you get at ANY dojo.

That's not true... there is actually committess and regulation and how people can advance in certain martial arts. Now, not all martial arts are regulated, but some like most of Karate and TKD, are regulated. When you have 'grading', there has to be an authorized grader. When you start getting the various degrees in black belt, you even have to fly over to Korea or Japan to be properly graded.

Technically, if you're a black belt in one dojo, but transfered to another dojo that's practacing the same style, it should transfer over just fine.

What ever you say I'm not into going back and forth debating, I am just speaking from experience my Father has a 7th degree Black belt, I have a 2nd degree Black belt my son has a orange belt 1st degree, Also the reason my dad and I and my son are in the arts is because my grand father was a Grand MASTER 9th degree (Before he passed) AND HE NOR MY FATHER AND I EVER HAVE BEEN TO ASIA. But you are right there are committes and some dojo's are regulated such as the one my family attends. Also my father and I have been on committess to help set up New dojo's.

I did not want to mention about my familys acomplishments since it would seem to be bragging. But I needed to confirm that I am speaking from experience. Since I have been to several dojo's for either training or for auditing. I won't even get into the room full of trophys we have since my family (including uncles and cousins) have been into martial arts for the last 50 years.

But hey maybe you know more than I. :beer:

 

[Looney]

http://www.usadojo.com/index.htm

Click on organization and click on any style... most of them are regulated. And what was your grandfather's name? What style was it? And if it wasn't regulated, how did he advance? Did he just one day assign himself a 9th degree black belt?

 

[Buttzilla]

be like water my friend ... i've been praticing my whole life, pretty much my whole family. after awhile you develope your own technique. as for belts...according to bruce lee, all they do is keep ur pants up

this is such a complicating topic.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: leung324

Originally posted by: CrazyPerson
i spend 4 years, thats 3 hour per day, 6 days per week on karate and have a black belt

you have to register your hands as a legal weapon!

And what if your license is revoked? Do they use a rusty knife to remove them?

 

[borealiss]

belts don't mean jack. get your first degree black belt and see how long it takes you to get second, then third. it's exponential. took me 3 1/2 for black. then another 2 1/2 for second. i've been doing it shoalin/praying mantis about 9 years. i know white belts that are better than black belts from different schools. belts are good for getting wet and whipping people with. that's about it.

 

[chr6]

i was in jiu jitsu for over a decade, and i can tell you it takes 15-20 years of hard work and dedication to reach black belt. one class a week; you may be there for a while. the way it worked in our class was that if you were a white belt, and could pretty much have your way with all the other white belts, they would test you for blue belt. tests consist of knowledge of escapes, chokes, locks, and other submissions.

 

[Epoman]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
http://www.usadojo.com/index.htm

Click on organization and click on any style... most of them are regulated. And what was your grandfather's name? What style was it? And if it wasn't regulated, how did he advance? Did he just one day assign himself a 9th degree black belt?

You Win! I am not going to start a flame war, FYI the dojo we attend is on that list and is regulated and my grandfather took martial arts for 60 years he died at the age of 72, He reached 9th degree at the age of 48. And had 10 Judges 5 of which were also 9th degree.

Also as for that list that list is FARRRRR from complete there are hundreds of more dojo's in the USA alone.

As for those who said belts don't mean much your RIGHT I've seen blue belts who can destroy black belts, The belts are
mostly for motivation and respect (to respect higher ranks) and for learning.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Epoman

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
http://www.usadojo.com/index.htm

Click on organization and click on any style... most of them are regulated. And what was your grandfather's name? What style was it? And if it wasn't regulated, how did he advance? Did he just one day assign himself a 9th degree black belt?

You Win! I am not going to start a flame war, FYI the dojo we attend is on that list and is regulated and my grandfather took martial arts for 60 years he died at the age of 72, He reached 9th degree at the age of 48. And had 10 Judges 5 of which were also 9th degree.

Also as for that list that list is FARRRRR from complete there are hundreds of more dojo's in the USA alone.

As for those who said belts don't mean much your RIGHT I've seen blue belts who can destroy black belts, The belts are
mostly for motivation and respect (to respect higher ranks) and for learning.

That list isn't about dojos... it's about the organizations and federations of martial arts.

And you were the one that was claiming martial arts aren't regulated... that belt ranking is only up to the particular dojo. Doesn't the fact that this so called grandfather of yours had 10 judges judge him prove that it is regulated?

 

[js1973]

Do all martial arts do the colored belt thing?

 

[Nocturnal]

In BJJ some people NEVER reach black belt. I'd have to say you would have to train full time, 6 days out of the week with a really good instructor like one of the older Gracies... It's very hard to reach black belt in BJJ. Good luck though!

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
In BJJ some people NEVER reach black belt. I'd have to say you would have to train full time, 6 days out of the week with a really good instructor like one of the older Gracies... It's very hard to reach black belt in BJJ. Good luck though!

 

[Daniel]

Originally posted by: js1973
Do all martial arts do the colored belt thing?

Nope, some places don't do belts at all... just a student/teacher type of relationship. As for the actual physical belts some might use sashes or something similar while again some places might not use anything.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
In BJJ some people NEVER reach black belt. I'd have to say you would have to train full time, 6 days out of the week with a really good instructor like one of the older Gracies... It's very hard to reach black belt in BJJ. Good luck though!

Why the rolling of the eyes? It's true what I said. If you don't believe me go ask someone who actually trains with the top BJJ guys in the world. I only know of one guy who got his black belt in like three years and that's BJ Penn. There are no tests in BJJ. It's when the teacher you're training under feels you are ready for a blue, purple, etc belt color. Some white belts stay at white belt for a really really long time. Especially if you're only going to be training for one day out of the week. Unless you train one day out of the week and you have a natural god gifted ability for BJJ than it's highly doubtful you'll ever reach black belt. Unless he stayed commited until he was like 50+ years old training for 49 years than yes I'd say he has a chance of reaching black belt. You aren't just tested and then given a belt in BJJ. It is totally different than majority of the martial arts.

Also what I meant by saying training with the Gracies is that they are competent enough, they MADE this sport what it is today. I didn't mean you ONLY have to train under them to get a black belt. Of course you could easily train at some no name shop down the street and get promoted to black belt in a year or even a month. I'm just saying that if you wanna really train and get promoted via the hard route, go train under somebody who is very competent in this sport, which would be the Gracies, the Machaddo brothers, and many more just to name a few.

 

[tnitsuj]

It took me 5 years to get my black belt in Karate which was my first belt. I started when I was fifteen. I now have 3 addiional black belts of different degrees at age 24.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
In BJJ some people NEVER reach black belt. I'd have to say you would have to train full time, 6 days out of the week with a really good instructor like one of the older Gracies... It's very hard to reach black belt in BJJ. Good luck though!

Why the rolling of the eyes? It's true what I said. If you don't believe me go ask someone who actually trains with the top BJJ guys in the world. I only know of one guy who got his black belt in like three years and that's BJ Penn. There are no tests in BJJ. It's when the teacher you're training under feels you are ready for a blue, purple, etc belt color. Some white belts stay at white belt for a really really long time. Especially if you're only going to be training for one day out of the week. Unless you train one day out of the week and you have a natural god gifted ability for BJJ than it's highly doubtful you'll ever reach black belt. Unless he stayed commited until he was like 50+ years old training for 49 years than yes I'd say he has a chance of reaching black belt. You aren't just tested and then given a belt in BJJ. It is totally different than majority of the martial arts.

Haven taken BJJ, I wholeheartedly agree. There are no set tests. You just get a belt when they think you are ready.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
In BJJ some people NEVER reach black belt. I'd have to say you would have to train full time, 6 days out of the week with a really good instructor like one of the older Gracies... It's very hard to reach black belt in BJJ. Good luck though!

Why the rolling of the eyes? It's true what I said. If you don't believe me go ask someone who actually trains with the top BJJ guys in the world. I only know of one guy who got his black belt in like three years and that's BJ Penn. There are no tests in BJJ. It's when the teacher you're training under feels you are ready for a blue, purple, etc belt color. Some white belts stay at white belt for a really really long time. Especially if you're only going to be training for one day out of the week. Unless you train one day out of the week and you have a natural god gifted ability for BJJ than it's highly doubtful you'll ever reach black belt. Unless he stayed commited until he was like 50+ years old training for 49 years than yes I'd say he has a chance of reaching black belt. You aren't just tested and then given a belt in BJJ. It is totally different than majority of the martial arts.

Please, just because you've taken a class or two, means you know everything now? 6 days a week training? Even professional MMA would find that hard to do. Your body takes quite a beating, even in training. And you need a good instructor like an older Gracie?

You only know one guy who has a black belt in BJJ? How many do you know? I've had 3 different guest instructors at my school, and they were all black belts. Two were from Brazil that was doing a tour of schools in Canada.

 

[Nocturnal]

Take Eddie Bravo for example. He just competed in Abu Dhabbi Combat Challenge. You can't just go to this tournament, you're invited by the high Sheik or Saudi Arabia or something. I don't know the fine details but I know only the best are allowed to compete in this Brazzilian Jiu Jitsu tournament. Anyway, Eddie Bravo (announcer for UFC 43) fought Royler Gracie and submitted him to go on to win the championship in his weight class. Eddie Bravo was a brown belt, I guess whoever he trained under felt he earned his black belt therefore he was given his black belt for winning the tournament (tapping Royler).

Also for those that didn't know Joe Rogan who hosts Fear Factor on NBC is really into Jiu Jitsu and NHB.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
In BJJ some people NEVER reach black belt. I'd have to say you would have to train full time, 6 days out of the week with a really good instructor like one of the older Gracies... It's very hard to reach black belt in BJJ. Good luck though!

Why the rolling of the eyes? It's true what I said. If you don't believe me go ask someone who actually trains with the top BJJ guys in the world. I only know of one guy who got his black belt in like three years and that's BJ Penn. There are no tests in BJJ. It's when the teacher you're training under feels you are ready for a blue, purple, etc belt color. Some white belts stay at white belt for a really really long time. Especially if you're only going to be training for one day out of the week. Unless you train one day out of the week and you have a natural god gifted ability for BJJ than it's highly doubtful you'll ever reach black belt. Unless he stayed commited until he was like 50+ years old training for 49 years than yes I'd say he has a chance of reaching black belt. You aren't just tested and then given a belt in BJJ. It is totally different than majority of the martial arts.

Please, just because you've taken a class or two, means you know everything now? 6 days a week training? Even professional MMA would find that hard to do. Your body takes quite a beating, even in training. And you need a good instructor like an older Gracie?

You only know one guy who has a black belt in BJJ? How many do you know? I've had 3 different guest instructors at my school, and they were all black belts. Two were from Brazil that was doing a tour of schools in Canada.

Jesus Christ you love to start stuff. I never said I ONLY know one BJJ black belt. If you read my post correctly I said I only know of one guy who earned his black belt in three years with the rest taking up to 10 + years. BJ Penn. I know many black belts in BJJ. You read my post wrong.

Also I've been following this sport a lot longer than I've been training. Just because I just started training doesn't mean I know jack crap about it. But hey you went to jail, you're a real life thug and you would probably murder me if I met you in real life. So I'll just stop the posting now so you look like you know all about BJJ and so that you won't harm me if I ever come into contact with you. Laters.

 

[Looney]

Well, an armchair martial artist is better then i suppose?

 

[Daniel]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal


Also for those that didn't know Joe Rogan who hosts Fear Factor on NBC is really into Jiu Jitsu and NHB.

They had an article on him in black belt mag a few months ago.. did muay thai as well I think.

 

[Epoman]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Epoman

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
http://www.usadojo.com/index.htm

Click on organization and click on any style... most of them are regulated. And what was your grandfather's name? What style was it? And if it wasn't regulated, how did he advance? Did he just one day assign himself a 9th degree black belt?

You Win! I am not going to start a flame war, FYI the dojo we attend is on that list and is regulated and my grandfather took martial arts for 60 years he died at the age of 72, He reached 9th degree at the age of 48. And had 10 Judges 5 of which were also 9th degree.

Also as for that list that list is FARRRRR from complete there are hundreds of more dojo's in the USA alone.

As for those who said belts don't mean much your RIGHT I've seen blue belts who can destroy black belts, The belts are
mostly for motivation and respect (to respect higher ranks) and for learning.

That list isn't about dojos... it's about the organizations and federations of martial arts.

And you were the one that was claiming martial arts aren't regulated... that belt ranking is only up to the particular dojo. Doesn't the fact that this so called grandfather of yours had 10 judges judge him prove that it is regulated?

For the last time OUR DOJO which is a member of a particular organization ( I do not name names as we our tought not to brag) IS REGULATED I NEVER SAID ALL Martial arts are not regulated I said SOME ARE NOT meaning some dojo's. Read the entire thread over.

Also whats up with the So-Called grandfather comment? If you want to call me a liar then just do it! I will not comment on my grandfather any more out of respect for him.

I made my point I will not comment any further on this subject (With you) you see I have also learned discipline in my training. :beer:

 

[Nocturnal]

You better be careful about yelling at him. He was inprisoned before and I'm pretty sure he isn't afraid to go back to jail. I would just stop here now before he finds whoever pisses him off and does something to them.

 

[Looney]

This is what you said:

I can see most people here no nothing about the "Belt" In any version of martial arts Belts are ALL
decided by the "Dojo"

They're not ALL decided by the Dojo. They're regulated. I was saying that MOST are regulated, and that belts do transfer from one dojo to another if they're within the same style and organization. You're the one that's claiming they're ALL decided by the individual dojo. They're not. That's why when examination occurs, you have to have people from different schools come to judge.