How long do you think children should expect parents to support them?

[GoingUp]

Come to Michigan. Living at home with your parents is totally normal here into your late 20s. It still is weird to me why people here do that. My guess is that its the sheer amount of mediocrity left here in Michigan that does it. Everyone who is successful leaves and leaving only the leftovers around.

Had I known all of this before I made the mistake of moving here for a job, I never would have come.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Making enough money to be able to support yourself is a benchmark. There are many more complex issues regarding living in the world that often go unaddressed. Take a look at these forums. There are many people living on their own who are unable to cook for themselves, read a map, shop for clothes or, repair/adjust a bicycle as a few examples.

I think children should expect their parents to support them until they've learned a minimum of survival skills besides how to work at a job. The sad part is that with enough money, many will never learn basic survival skills and, they are the truly sad cases because they adversely affect other peoples lives due to their lack of perspective.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
So, if your going to medical school then you really can't take care of yourself until age 26 or so, does that make you a failure in life I wonder?

The point is I think some people have it backwards here, usually I would expect the person who spends MORE time living at home to be better off later in life. IF you are kicked out at 15 you will probably end up being manual laborer, if you get kicked out at 18 maybe you can pick up a decent trade. Kicked out after college and you can me pretty successful, but if you want to really be rich its the people who live off their parents going to medical school or law school etc. Its like I was saying before, I didn't have a single paying job until age 22, but the first job i had I am making $80,000 (including overtime). The time i spent working in high school and college paid off FAR more than a crappy job ever could. ow, obviously its not fair in life, but I never stepped foot in a public school in my entire life, i went to private elementary school, high school and college. MY parents invest several hundreds thousand collars into that education and intend to do the same for my kids. If you want to help your kids teaching them fiscal responsibility is great, but do it on the big picture, not over a minimum wage job. Working hard in life won't get you ANYWHERE without an education. I did a report for my economics class in high school essentially detailing the financial costs verse the worth of a college degree, and we are talking on the neighborhood of a million dollars over a lifetime.

Your point is correct if they do indeed save and whatever...the problem is if everyone did this then no one would be better off as the floor is simply raised on what that money buys.

I don't know any doctors (my family knows a lot this was to be my profession) that were living at home or even came back home during/after med school. You get loans and financial aid.

The whole private vs public school has no bearing. I don't know what a good job has over any of it either. I worked in banks since 12 because my dad got me in. By the time I was driving I was making in an hour what many of my friends made in a night.

Working hard though always pays off. There are probably just as many uber rich without educations as there are with. The bachelor's degree is getting more and more expected and really in and of itself is not worth much of anything other than the ticket in the door.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: BrownTown
So, if your going to medical school then you really can't take care of yourself until age 26 or so, does that make you a failure in life I wonder?

The point is I think some people have it backwards here, usually I would expect the person who spends MORE time living at home to be better off later in life. IF you are kicked out at 15 you will probably end up being manual laborer, if you get kicked out at 18 maybe you can pick up a decent trade. Kicked out after college and you can me pretty successful, but if you want to really be rich its the people who live off their parents going to medical school or law school etc. Its like I was saying before, I didn't have a single paying job until age 22, but the first job i had I am making $80,000 (including overtime). The time i spent working in high school and college paid off FAR more than a crappy job ever could. ow, obviously its not fair in life, but I never stepped foot in a public school in my entire life, i went to private elementary school, high school and college. MY parents invest several hundreds thousand collars into that education and intend to do the same for my kids. If you want to help your kids teaching them fiscal responsibility is great, but do it on the big picture, not over a minimum wage job. Working hard in life won't get you ANYWHERE without an education. I did a report for my economics class in high school essentially detailing the financial costs verse the worth of a college degree, and we are talking on the neighborhood of a million dollars over a lifetime.

Your point is correct if they do indeed save and whatever...the problem is if everyone did this then no one would be better off as the floor is simply raised on what that money buys.

I don't know any doctors (my family knows a lot this was to be my profession) that were living at home or even came back home during/after med school. You get loans and financial aid.

The whole private vs public school has no bearing. I don't know what a good job has over any of it either. I worked in banks since 12 because my dad got me in. By the time I was driving I was making in an hour what many of my friends made in a night.

Working hard though always pays off. There are probably just as many uber rich without educations as there are with. The bachelor's degree is getting more and more expected and really in and of itself is not worth much of anything other than the ticket in the door.

You clearly don't know much then.

 

[alkemyst]

lol...today probably all are sticking around the home.

My friends and family graduated in the early 90's or earlier.

fucking hilarious man.

 

[fstime]

This is ATOT where every member moved out of the house when he/she was 14 years old, paid for their own tuition/car/house/other expenses, never received an ounce of support from mom or dad, and are now pulling in at LEAST 6 figures and drive BMW's.

Oh, and they ridicule and become extremely jealous of others who have parents who willingly support them into adulthood since even adults can use some help on rainy days., because they will also support them when they get older, not throw them into some retirement home like popular American culture.

Remember guys, do it the ATOT way, you don't need any support. Life is just like a Hollywood movie where the little guy living on the brink of eviction always makes it big.

 

[alkemyst]

no dude most are defending why they should stay at home and have their parents pay.

Did you read this?

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
no dude most are defending why they should stay at home and have their parents pay.

Did you read this?

Nope. Have better things to do than read 15 pages but from past experience, I already know what most of the responses look like. Not a new topic for ATOT.

 

[EGGO]

It seems ATOT is filled with nothing but people who think everyone is the same once they reach adulthood just because they were paying for stuff when they turned 16. Bravo. e-penis ++

Once you turn 18, you deserve no help, apparently.

Spidey07 is a horrible generalizer. I know people who lived with their parents at 24 and right now easily pulls six figures just by freelancing for top agencies.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: EGGO
It seems ATOT is filled with nothing but people who think everyone is the same once they reach adulthood just because they were paying for stuff when they turned 16. Bravo. e-penis ++

Once you turn 18, you deserve no help, apparently.

Spidey07 is a horrible generalizer. I know people who lived with their parents at 24 and right now easily pulls six figures just by freelancing for top agencies.

That's really all it is. A couple of people here who got shitty support and got the boot at a young age or had to pay their parents "rent" and think they're tough guys with huge e-penises and everyone else needs to take the same route.

Makes me laugh a little. News flash to those described above....... It probably sucked to be you, really bad; now stop hating on everyone else.

 

[Juked07]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I think the problem in this thread is applying the attitude of a minority to everyone. Come to think of it, that's the problem with just about every argument on ATOT.

I see what you did there.

 

[jjzelinski]

Since this thread is after all based on opinions, I'll offer mine:

I think it's weird and frankly a bit sad for someone to continue to live with their parents as an adult. Living at home with mom and dad well into adulthood just transition straight into a house is bypassing what I see as important development milestones. Move out, get an apartment, struggle financially as you build up your net worth and earning potential, and then eventually earn your house in what I see as the proper way. Riding the coat tails of your parents home, skipping the apartment and or house rental phase is not the proper way.

So there it is, my *opinion*. Feel free to bash me with demands that I retract my opinion in a thread that specifically asked for it.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
This is ATOT where every member moved out of the house when he/she was 14 years old, paid for their own tuition/car/house/other expenses, never received an ounce of support from mom or dad, and are now pulling in at LEAST 6 figures and drive BMW's.

Oh, and they ridicule and become extremely jealous of others who have parents who willingly support them into adulthood since even adults can use some help on rainy days., because they will also support them when they get older, not throw them into some retirement home like popular American culture.

Remember guys, do it the ATOT way, you don't need any support. Life is just like a Hollywood movie where the little guy living on the brink of eviction always makes it big.

:thumbsup:

 

[OogyWaWa]

wtf is all this bullshit. heres what i get (got)

up until i was big enough to mow the grass, my parents would buy me toys for being a good child. after i could mow, i would get money for housework and shit. then when i was 14 (legal working age in AL) i got a job, did housework for free, and used my job money for shit. they chipped in 2 grand for my first car. once i moved off to college (18) rent and food money went out the door. no college money either. i still get bday and christmas presents though, thats nice. on top of this, every penny i have borrowed since I was 14 has been kept track of in a spreadsheet and I have to make monthly payments on it. they could totally afford to by ae a pimp car and all of my college expenses, but i'm up to my ears in loans and driving a granny mobile.

complaints? none, really. i suppose i would be happy if they wanted to help pay for shit, but i dont feel entitled to anything and think i've learned some good lessons about money 😛

cliffs:
kids these days are spoiled fucking rotten and are going to ruin our society in 20-30 years

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: BouZouki
This is ATOT where every member moved out of the house when he/she was 14 years old, paid for their own tuition/car/house/other expenses, never received an ounce of support from mom or dad, and are now pulling in at LEAST 6 figures and drive BMW's.

Oh, and they ridicule and become extremely jealous of others who have parents who willingly support them into adulthood since even adults can use some help on rainy days., because they will also support them when they get older, not throw them into some retirement home like popular American culture.

Remember guys, do it the ATOT way, you don't need any support. Life is just like a Hollywood movie where the little guy living on the brink of eviction always makes it big.

:thumbsup:

I'll speak only for myself here when I say my parents are well to do enough to have allowed me to leech off of them well into my adulthood, but I chose not to take that path. What's more, there's a good chance the parents of you folks still living at home into adult would probably agree with my sentiment, but they love you to much to force you to grow and get the fuck out into the world.

Admittedly this whole thread has me a bit confused in that I wouldn't have guessed such a large proportion of folks rely on mommy and daddy in such a gratuitous manner and for so LONG. How the fuck do you date?! Hopefully the proportions here on ATOT are skewed by the unique demographics of a tech board like this.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: spidey07
If you still living at home at age 24 you are a complete failure at life honestly. If you can't put a roof over your head and provide for your life and self, well that's failure at life.

Area707 - by providing a roof over the head still classifies as failure of the child. The now mid 20s child can't even meet it's basic needs without assistance. The child is a failure at life and the parents are enabling this failure.

18 is the bar. Above and beyond that will only lead to the child's failure in life.

I lived at home until I was 26 and I believe I'm fairly succesful at life.

I was in grad school until I was almost 25 and then I worked for a year and half before moving out.

The only assistance I got from my parents during school was a free room and food.

What I would have considered to be a failure was if I didn't finish school and I ended up with a job that I hated.

Yes, I agree with you that my parents are there as a safet net, but that did not hinder my ability to become an adult or have success in life. Because they were there, I was able to set my goals way beyond my peers who did not have the same benefit.

Your idea of parenting seems to be to throw your kid into the deep end of the pool to teach himself to swim.

My idea of parenting is to make sure the child has all of the appropriate training before sending him into progressively deeper and deeper water . Baby steps.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Special K
I'm not sure I agree with alkemyst's analogy between women entering the workforce and "children" living at home with their parents into early adulthood. In the case of women, a large population that previously didn't work at all decided to go out and get jobs. This led to increased competition, which drove prices up and wages down (relative to the case when women didn't work) and pretty much ensured that most households would need to have 2 incomes from that point onward.

On the other hand, children living with the parents into adulthood would have found a job and spent money anyway if they were working and living on their own, so I don't see how their decision to live with their parents as young adults would contribute to lower salaries and rising prices.

The two situations are different.

They are no different. It's still household income and when one is sharing the expenses it gives more buying power.

Women still worked when not married in the 50's...it's when you had two breadwinners that things got screwed up.

This is especially true when extended families are going in together on home and other large purchases.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Hmm, more to consider, and you're right about the increase in workforce. However, I was thinking of it in a ratio sort of fashion. When you expect 1 person to provide for the needs of a family, things wind up being priced accordingly (because otherwise you price them out of reach and nobody buys them.) When you expected 2 people to provide for the family, prices could rise. Now were talking 3-4 people expected to provide for a family, which means there's more pricing leeway (a $2 bag of chips might have been the upper budget limit before, but when you have more free cash because you have an extra household contributor you might be willing to pay $4).

Poor assumptions on my part? I'm definitely not an economist.

Exactly...and also then be willing to work for slightly less as expenses are cut 3-4 ways now instead of 1-2.

 

[oiprocs]

If every parent kicked their kid out of the home at 18, there would be a lot more homeless people.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: LilPima

Originally posted by: spidey07
If you still living at home at age 24 you are a complete failure at life honestly. If you can't put a roof over your head and provide for your life and self, well that's failure at life.

Area707 - by providing a roof over the head still classifies as failure of the child. The now mid 20s child can't even meet it's basic needs without assistance. The child is a failure at life and the parents are enabling this failure.

18 is the bar. Above and beyond that will only lead to the child's failure in life.

How much is the average monthly rent in Kentucky? Here, a shithole apt can start at $1000/mo., and you have to pay more for nicer areas/places.

Not being able to put a roof over your own personal head and opting not to, while making more sound financial decisions is the better way to go.

GET A ROOMMATE

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: scorpious
If every parent kicked their kid out of the home at 18, there would be a lot more homeless people.

True.
But not because 18 is too young. Instead it is because parents do not prepare their children for independent living like they used to . Most 18 year old can't cook, wash clothes or balance a check book. They spent the last couple years goofing off depending on mommy and daddy for everything, and parents let them get away with it.

My parents did not kick me out at 18. But during the summer I had to work a job whether I wanted to or not. I also had to pay for anything I wanted above the basics. My parents provided me with clothes, if I wanted better they didn't just hand me the credit card, I had to work to buy it. If I was home from work I had to wash clothes, help clean the house, and cook. I hated it at the time, but understand why now.

Modern day parents are too stuck on being the kids friend and not their parent. My brothers kid has never worked a day in her life. She is 18 this year graduating high school and does nothing but watch tv and talk on the phone. She doesn't know if or where she will go to college and looks at everything like she has all the time in the world to start a life. She has no real world skills.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: scorpious
If every parent kicked their kid out of the home at 18, there would be a lot more homeless people.

True.
But not because 18 is too young. Instead it is because parents do not prepare their children for independent living like they used to . Most 18 year old can't cook, wash clothes or balance a check book. They spent the last couple years goofing off depending on mommy and daddy for everything, and parents let them get away with it.

My parents did not kick me out at 18. But during the summer I had to work a job whether I wanted to or not. I also had to pay for anything I wanted above the basics. My parents provided me with clothes, if I wanted better they didn't just hand me the credit card, I had to work to buy it. If I was home from work I had to wash clothes, help clean the house, and cook. I hated it at the time, but understand why now.

Modern day parents are too stuck on being the kids friend and not their parent. My brothers kid has never worked a day in her life. She is 18 this year graduating high school and does nothing but watch tv and talk on the phone. She doesn't know if or where she will go to college and looks at everything like she has all the time in the world to start a life. She has no real world skills.

I remember that. During my summer jobs, I even had to buy my own groceries, for example.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: EGGO

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: scorpious
If every parent kicked their kid out of the home at 18, there would be a lot more homeless people.

True.
But not because 18 is too young. Instead it is because parents do not prepare their children for independent living like they used to . Most 18 year old can't cook, wash clothes or balance a check book. They spent the last couple years goofing off depending on mommy and daddy for everything, and parents let them get away with it.

My parents did not kick me out at 18. But during the summer I had to work a job whether I wanted to or not. I also had to pay for anything I wanted above the basics. My parents provided me with clothes, if I wanted better they didn't just hand me the credit card, I had to work to buy it. If I was home from work I had to wash clothes, help clean the house, and cook. I hated it at the time, but understand why now.

Modern day parents are too stuck on being the kids friend and not their parent. My brothers kid has never worked a day in her life. She is 18 this year graduating high school and does nothing but watch tv and talk on the phone. She doesn't know if or where she will go to college and looks at everything like she has all the time in the world to start a life. She has no real world skills.

I remember that. During my summer jobs, I even had to buy my own groceries, for example.

And walk through 3 feet of snow in the winter on the way to school? 🙂

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
This is ATOT where every member moved out of the house when he/she was 14 years old, paid for their own tuition/car/house/other expenses, never received an ounce of support from mom or dad, and are now pulling in at LEAST 6 figures and drive BMW's.

Oh, and they ridicule and become extremely jealous of others who have parents who willingly support them into adulthood since even adults can use some help on rainy days., because they will also support them when they get older, not throw them into some retirement home like popular American culture.

Remember guys, do it the ATOT way, you don't need any support. Life is just like a Hollywood movie where the little guy living on the brink of eviction always makes it big.

Originally posted by: BouZouki


Nope. Have better things to do than read 15 pages but from past experience, I already know what most of the responses look like. Not a new topic for ATOT.

Originally posted by: BouZouki


That's really all it is. A couple of people here who got shitty support and got the boot at a young age or had to pay their parents "rent" and think they're tough guys with huge e-penises and everyone else needs to take the same route.

Makes me laugh a little. News flash to those described above....... It probably sucked to be you, really bad; now stop hating on everyone else.

Apparently you don't know what most of the responses look like, you don't even know what your own response looked like a few posts up.