Even in the highly conservative N. Texas, I find there is a very large support for gay rights among people my age. You might say that they are "godless atheists" , but these are mostly very religious people (probably not what you would call fundamentalist though).
How long can we keep gay marriage illegal?
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Not gay don't care heh thats always been my stance and I have a gay member in the family and I still don't care.
Why is there a need for gay marriage? I'm by no means religious, but as I understand it it's against the Christian religion, and marriage is a Christian activity (heh, wrong word but wherever). I'm down for gay's getting the same financial deals as married couples, and if they adopt then I'm down for them getting the same aid married couples with children have... but why go against the bible and it's teachings? I don't care if you're straight or gay or whatever you call yourself, equality is nesessary, but if they get the same benefits then the term "marriage" doesn't need to be tacked onto it.
Don't count on it. As far as I know, people in my age group (I'm 21) are more for gay marriage than against. I don't see young people becoming LESS like that. So in say 20 or 30 years, we're going to represent the vast majority of the votes...it will be legalized by then if not before.
History is not on your side, guys. Most "equal treatment for everyone" kinds of things, even if most people think they are stupid and bad at the beginning, eventually end up widely accepted as long as there is a good base to start from. We shall see, but I don't see the whole pro gay marriage movement as a flare-up in the history books, you don't tend to see a lot of those when you are talking about equal treatment.
A long time in some states. Many politicans will bend over eventually and legislate some legal partnership deal that have similar but limited rights. As time passes, there will be more normalization of homosexuality in society and the rights under the homo partnership will be increased to be slightly more favorable than heterosexual marriage. I say slightly better because homosexual marriages and people involved will be protected classes while heterosexual's will not be.
When homosexual marriage becomes ok and normal, there will be a drive for polygamy which should be allowed if homosexual marriage is allowed.
When homosexual marriage becomes ok and normal, there will be a drive for polygamy which should be allowed if homosexual marriage is allowed.
Schadenfroh
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The government is pretty entwined in the whole marriage thing. It's been a while since it was a Church only sort of deal. If the government wants to stop dealing with "marriage" all together and only do civil unions (for whoever wants them) and marriage can be a private church thing with no government standing, I'd go for that.
But that would require a lot of change, and any attempt by the Government to give marriage back to the Church would be seen as an attack on marriage, no doubt about that.
Gay marriage was overwhelmingly rejected yesterday. It's not going to happen, thankfully. And the myth about the "youth vote" is just that, a myth. The MTV generation is not going to effect elections or policy.
Sounds about right.
The Democrats should have had a stance against gay marriage but for civil unions and start from there. Make small gradual steps.
People do get more conservative when they get older but on this issue, it's just a matter of time. It may take 20, 40, 50, 75, or 100 years. But it's going to be legalized at some point because the only thing really against it are ppl's moral objections.
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Marriage is surely not solely limited to the realm of christianity. Atheists, agnostics, hindus, pagans, satanists, etc... all have marriage ceremonies.
Why go against the bible and it's teaching? Maybe because it's the government denying the ability to get married to people based on religious teachings, which violates separation of church and state. It also violates equal rights; where in the Constitution can you infer that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry?
What does making more money have to do with gay marriage? Look back decades ago - what do you think would have been the support for gay marriage then, compared to now? It will happen, the question is how long from now. The Christians know this, that's why theyre desperately trying to ban it from ever becoming legal in the Constitution and several states while they still have the votes necessary.
I can understand if someone's against calling it "marriage" but supports civil unions, I think thats fine. However, realize that some, maybe all (not sure), of these gay marriage bans on the ballot this year also banned civil unions, or anything that could be considered a union.
I believe marriage should be completely removed from government, and just let government control unions which should be allowed for both gay/straight couples. I'm straight, but I am not religious, and I dont know if I would want a marriage, but a civil union sounds more appealing to me.
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