How Long Before The Sleeping Sheeple Finally Wake Up?

[SlickSnake]

Or, How long before the "Shit Finally Hits the Fan?"

I think you know what I mean based on the sudden rise of the many current violent crime news reports that are being deliberately under reported and mischaracterized and misconstrued by the M.S.M. when they do report on them.

Interesting too, the sudden rise in the number of violent juveniles doing many of the vicious, cold blooded and cowardly attacks, too.

Feel free to elaborate further your opinions beyond just answering the poll dates.

(update)
By the way, "When The Shit Hits The Fan" can be describing here ANY complete breakdown in society, not just a violent crime wave. It could mean a solar flare wiping out the electrical grid, it could be a giant asteroid hitting the Earth and causing a giant calamity and nearly wiping out humanity, it could be a super volcano erupting and completely covering a continent in ash, or even a global famine if crops failed due to some weather catastrophe, or it could be as simple as an economic meltdown triggering another great depression, a political uprising, infectious diseases or even a war of some sort. Those are just a few examples.

That's why I wanted to know your comments after voting in the poll. I have a few ideas myself, and think it's going to be several things happening in quick succession. But I don't want to overly influence the answers at this point. Later on after more participation I will give you my opinions here.

Thanks again for participating!

 

[Screech]

Violent crime rate:

2005 469
2006 479.3
2007 471.8
2008 458.6
2009 431.9
2010 404.5
2011 386.3

From the FBI uniform crime reporting website.

To answer your question: No.

 

[DominionSeraph]

The Stormfront thread is thataway:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2231467

 

[brycejones]

The Stormfront thread is thataway:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2231467

Unfortunately that isn't the only one now. P&N is rapidly becoming stormfront anandtech edition.

 

[brycejones]

Violent crime rate:


From the FBI uniform crime reporting website.

To answer your question: No.

Sorry but those are lies from the man intended to fool the sheepel into believing things are getting better. It's sad and pathetic but any facts posted will just be discounted if they don't support the OP's view that some armed conflict is coming.

 

[ichy]

Someone beat me to it. Crime is at its lowest levels in decades.

 

[SlickSnake]

Violent crime rate:


From the FBI uniform crime reporting website.

To answer your question: No.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ea_1370563490&comments=1

Those stats are known to be inaccurate for a large number of reasons. The question is, by how much? Many areas of the country do not report crime stats at all to the state, including many small cities, so those stats are never sent to the Feds for tabulation. The crime reporting is optional, and they also have changed the reporting standards at various times which makes it even more difficult to judge the same statistics on a yearly basis, unless you know how they modified the reporting standards.

http://www.drtomoconnor.com/1010/1010lect01a.htm

And a good example is my small city has never reported crime rates to the state in the nearly 40 years it has been here. However, this year they finally reported some crime stats for 2013.

 

[Auric]

Aagh, reporting is becoming more comprehensive and shrill. The sky is falling!

 

[LightPattern]

Or, How long before the "Shit Finally Hits the Fan?"

I think you know what I mean based on the sudden rise of the many current violent crime news reports that are being deliberately under reported and mischaracterized and misconstrued by the M.S.M. when they do report on them.

Interesting too, the sudden rise in the number of violent juveniles doing many of the vicious, cold blooded and cowardly attacks, too.

Feel free to elaborate further your opinions beyond just answering the poll dates.

I'll quote myself:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35408921&postcount=17

Go outside. Find some physical place you can say hi to people and get a read of the atmosphere in your area.
I think some people here are spending too much time reading racially charged stories and getting shut into a place where it looks like the sky is falling.

An aside - the police are better armed and trained than ever (SWAT, etc). The peacekeepers will win in any uprising in the US for the foreseeable future. But there is more than enough apathy to counterbalance the lunacy that could lead to an armed uprising.

 

[IronWing]

Most of the victims of violent crime are poor. There will be no uprising.

 

[SlickSnake]

I'll quote myself:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35408921&postcount=17


An aside - the police are better armed and trained than ever (SWAT, etc). The peacekeepers will win in any uprising in the US for the foreseeable future. But there is more than enough apathy to counterbalance the lunacy that could lead to an armed uprising.

Overall I disagree with that assessment. And my police are not always here and available for a quick response. Like now, when it's dark and I have teenaged drug dealers dealing drugs next door in the street. But I do live relatively near a military base, so if an uprising does occur, I am sure plenty of troops could be rapidly deployed to quash it.

 

[mistercrabby]

Or, How long before the "Shit Finally Hits the Fan?"

I think you know what I mean based on the sudden rise of the many current violent crime news reports that are being deliberately under reported and mischaracterized and misconstrued by the M.S.M. when they do report on them.

Interesting too, the sudden rise in the number of violent juveniles doing many of the vicious, cold blooded and cowardly attacks, too.

Feel free to elaborate further your opinions beyond just answering the poll dates.

he woggly bird sat on the whango tree,
Nooping the rinkum corn,
And graper and graper, alas! grew he,
And cursed the day he was born.
His crute was clum and his voice was rum,
As curiously thus sang he,
"Oh, would I'd been rammed and eternally clammed
Ere I perched on this whango tree."

 

[woolfe9998]

There is no increase in the rate of violent crime just because of anecdotal stories you read on the internet. I honestly do not understand why anyone of presumably adult level intelligence needs to have this pointed out to them.

 

[shira]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ea_1370563490&comments=1

Those stats are known to be inaccurate for a large number of reasons. The question is, by how much? Many areas of the country do not report crime stats at all to the state, including many small cities, so those stats are never sent to the Feds for tabulation. The crime reporting is optional, and they also have changed the reporting standards at various times which makes it even more difficult to judge the same statistics on a yearly basis, unless you know how they modified the reporting standards.

http://www.drtomoconnor.com/1010/1010lect01a.htm

And a good example is my small city has never reported crime rates to the state in the nearly 40 years it has been here. However, this year they finally reported some crime stats for 2013.

And you don't see the gaping hole in your logic?

In order to be able to convincingly argue that faulty reporting is the explanation for how it can be the case that crime is getting worse despite the official statistics showing huge reductions in crime, you must be able to show us that the faulty reporting has been getting increasingly inaccurate over the years in the direction of an ever-greater under-reporting of crime.

So your thesis amounts to a huge conspiracy theory, and you're telling us that "you just know" that crime is getting worse, even though all the data say otherwise.

 

[SlickSnake]

(added this update to the top, and left it here for the others who may not read it there again.)

By the way, "When The Shit Hits The Fan" can be describing here ANY complete breakdown in society, not just a violent crime wave. It could mean a solar flare wiping out the electrical grid, it could be a giant asteroid hitting the Earth and causing a giant calamity and nearly wiping out humanity, it could be a super volcano erupting and completely covering a continent in ash, or even a global famine if crops failed due to some weather catastrophe, or it could be as simple as an economic meltdown triggering another great depression, a political uprising or even a war of some sort. Those are just a few examples.

That's why I wanted to know your comments after voting in the poll. I have a few ideas myself, and think it's going to be several things happening in quick succession. But I don't want to overly influence the answers at this point. Later on after more participation I will give you my opinions here.

Thanks again for participating!

 

[SlickSnake]

And you don't see the gaping hole in your logic?

In order to be able to convincingly argue that faulty reporting is the explanation for how it can be the case that crime is getting worse despite the official statistics showing huge reductions in crime, you must be able to show us that the faulty reporting has been getting increasingly inaccurate over the years in the direction of an ever-greater under-reporting of crime.

So your thesis amounts to a huge conspiracy theory, and you're telling us that "you just know" that crime is getting worse, even though all the data say otherwise.

Like all things the government has its hands in, there is room to doubt these statistics. And if you are mistakenly using Screech's posted crime stats for claiming a conspiracy theory on my part, they only go to 2011.

If the crime is going down, as you claim, then please explain why there is a massive increase in funding the police agencies at the city, state and federal levels and they are building jails as fast as they can in states like Texas which has for some time been warehousing prisoners from other states just to hold the enormous rise in inmates.

And honestly I'm not expecting any intelligent reply from you, since a violent crime increase is all just an illusion and a huge conspiracy theory on my part, though.

 

[SlickSnake]

There is no increase in the rate of violent crime just because of anecdotal stories you read on the internet. I honestly do not understand why anyone of presumably adult level intelligence needs to have this pointed out to them.

Don't you just love posters like yourself and others who make unsubstantiated statements they can't back up because they stubbornly refuse to click on the links already provided to them that will disprove their posts and opinions before they even post? I know I do.

FBI Releases Preliminary Annual Crime Statistics for 2012

According to the FBI’s Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report,
released today, the nation experienced a 1.2 percent increase in the number of violent crimes and a 0.8 percent decline in the number of property crimes in 2012 when compared with data from 2011. The report is based on information the FBI gathered from 13,770 law enforcement agencies that submitted six to 12 comparable months of data for both 2011 and 2012.


Violent Crime

• In 2012, the violent crime offenses of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter increased 1.5 percent from the 2011 figures, aggravated assault increased 1.7 percent, and robbery increased 0.6 percent. Forcible rape offenses declined 0.3 percent.
• Violent crime increased 3.7 percent in cities with populations of 500,000 to 999,999, the largest increase in the city groupings. There was a 1.0 percent decrease in violent crime in the nation’s cities with 10,000 to 24,999 inhabitants. Violent crime increased 1.2 percent in metropolitan counties and declined 0.9 percent in nonmetropolitan counties.
• Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter offenses increased in all city groups but one, with the largest increase (12.5 percent) occurring in cities with populations of 500,000 to 999,000. Cities with populations of 50,000 to 99,999 showed the only decrease of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter offenses (1.3 percent). Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter offenses declined 4.8 percent in metropolitan counties and 0.4 percent in nonmetropolitan counties.
• Cities with populations of 1 million and over in population experienced a 3.2 percent increase in forcible rape offenses. Cities with 25,000 to 49,999 inhabitants experienced a 3.5 decrease in forcible rapes. Forcible rape offenses declined 1.2 percent in metropolitan counties and increased 1.3 percent in nonmetropolitan counties.
• Robbery offenses decreased 2.9 percent in cities with 10,000 to 24,999 inhabitants, but increased 2.4 percent in cities with populations from 250,000 to 499,999. Robberies increased 1.1 percent in metropolitan counties and declined 1.1 percent in nonmetropolitan counties.
• Aggravated assaults remained virtually unchanged in cities with 25,000 to 49,000 in population and declined 0.6 percent in cities with 10,000 to 24,999 inhabitants. Aggravated assaults increased in all remaining city groups, with the largest increase, 5.2 percent, occurring in cities with 500,000 to 999,999 in population.
• Violent crime increased in three of the four regions (3.3 percent in the West, 1.3 percent in the Midwest, and 0.6 percent in the South). There was a 0.6 percent decrease in violent crime offenses in the Northeast.

 

[SlickSnake]

Someone beat me to it. Crime is at its lowest levels in decades.

Wrong.

See the other posters I already corrected about that fallacy on your part.

 

[SlickSnake]

Sorry but those are lies from the man intended to fool the sheepel into believing things are getting better. It's sad and pathetic but any facts posted will just be discounted if they don't support the OP's view that some armed conflict is coming.

Not sure if serious... and that's sad and pathetic... but whatever floats your boat.

The facts posted by Screech were not even current. You have already been corrected in the previous posts I made.

 

[Venix]

please explain why there is a massive increase in funding the police agencies at the city, state and federal levels

There isn't, unless you're comparing with spending three decades ago. Hint: The increase in law enforcement spending might be related to the drop in violent crime since the early 90's.

they are building jails as fast as they can in states like Texas which has for some time been warehousing prisoners from other states just to hold the enormous rise in inmates.

In fact, Texas is full of under-filled and empty prisons because of a lack of inmates. Nationally, the inmate population has been decreasing since 2010.

 

[SlickSnake]

There isn't, unless you're comparing with spending three decades ago. Hint: The increase in law enforcement spending might be related to the drop in violent crime since the early 90's.

In fact, Texas is full of under-filled and empty prisons because of a lack of inmates. Nationally, the inmate population has been decreasing since 2010.

Overbuilding prisons in Texas led to a bust, but not just because of a lack of inmates. Texas largely privatized their prison system some time ago. A privately built and run prison can house inmates much cheaper than any city, county or state built and run prison can.

Some private and public built prisons in Texas are now busting at the seams with overloaded cells, only because they are much cheaper to warehouse inmates in than others are, and not because there is now a lack of capacity. And if you can shop around for the cheapest place to send an inmate, that's where they are going to go.

So expensive taxpayer funded prisons that cost more to run, often sit empty now. There are even empty prisons that were built on speculation that cost way too much to run all over the country now, not just in Texas. And Texas prison problems has nothing to to with lower prison populations nationwide, since Texas houses more out of state prisoners in the privately run prison system than any other state.

http://nbclatino.com/2013/02/10/texas-county-faces-growing-problem-of-overcrowding-in-local-jail/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/prison-privatization_b_1414467.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/28/states-prison-rates_n_3667046.html

 

[Venix]

Non sequitur

You originally claimed that Texas is currently "building jails as fast as they can...just to hold the enormous rise in inmates."

Now you admit that "overbuilding prisons in Texas led to a bust" and that "prison populations [are lower] nationwide."

Hopefully you're capable of comprehending the obvious contradiction in those statements.

 

[SlickSnake]

You originally claimed that Texas is currently "building jails as fast as they can...just to hold the enormous rise in inmates."

Now you admit that "overbuilding prisons in Texas led to a bust" and that "prison populations [are lower] nationwide."

Hopefully you're capable of comprehending the obvious contradiction in those statements.

In the case of Texas, the prison building problem depends on who is funding the prison. In some cases overbuilt by the taxpayers due to speculation up until only fairly recently (just like new houses were overbuilt nationwide, yet there were plenty of buyers, and there was still a demand for new houses, but banks cracked down on lending to finance the buyers). And in other cases there are prisons in Texas still overcrowded and need to be built, simply because the other empty prisons are too expensive to use.

Yes, it's a contradiction. I'm sorry if you simply can't understand those. And clicking the links, and comprehending them, rather than disputing me like a high school debate team, will help you to understand that.

 

[Doppel]

I said 5+. Society will end, I don't know when. Statistics tell me it won't be soon.

 

[SlickSnake]

I said 5+. Society will end, I don't know when. Statistics tell me it won't be soon.

Statistics? Are you a statistician? Are you refering to something statistically specific or just speculating?