How long before smoking is banned altogether?

[vi edit]

In a Bar smoking and drinking go hand and hand. Bars and Pubs and smoking are kinda of like two brothers. I don't see why you would want to drink and not smoke. Ah. I guess they should just open up areas of the bar that are non-smoking.

Why don't I go ahead and pop some tylenol while I'm at it, and practice in non-sterilzed needle sharing too! Drinking and smoking at the same time is one of the least healthy things you can do to yourself. I only need SO many vices and ways of harming my body, thank you.

Is it too much to ask that I want to be able to go to a bar and get a pint of guinness without smelling like a fscking ashtray?

 

[Mill]

Then areas of the bar that are non-smoking. I mean you are admitting that alcohol is a vice much like tobacco. Most people don't goto a bar to drink in moderation. Ah. I see your point and I agree with it to a degree. If you want a smoke free area in a bar and there is a there is enough of you who are vocal, then I see no reason why there couldn't be a non-smoking area.

 

[Thegonagle]

I think in 20-30 years, cigarettes will start to become increasingly difficult to find, as their sale is eventually outlawed by municipalities, counties, and states.

 

[vi edit]

Most people don't goto a bar to drink in moderation

Maybe so of 18-23 year olds, but that is a VERY small percentage of the population. I'm 24. I go to a bar and have 2-3 drinks. Enough to relax, but not too much to prevent me from driving. I'm pretty certain that I'm not a minority in this reguard.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Millenium
Then areas of the bar that are non-smoking. I mean you are admitting that alcohol is a vice much like tobacco. Most people don't goto a bar to drink in moderation. Ah. I see your point and I agree with it to a degree. If you want a smoke free area in a bar and there is a there is enough of you who are vocal, then I see no reason why there couldn't be a non-smoking area.

In Los Angeles, you can't smoke in a bar AT ALL.

I love being able to come home and not smell like an ashtray. Just because alcohol is a vice like tobacco, it doesn't mean anything. When you drink, people around you don't smell like whatever it is your drinking and it doesn't hurt their liver when you drink, either.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Millenium
Then areas of the bar that are non-smoking. I mean you are admitting that alcohol is a vice much like tobacco. Most people don't goto a bar to drink in moderation. Ah. I see your point and I agree with it to a degree. If you want a smoke free area in a bar and there is a there is enough of you who are vocal, then I see no reason why there couldn't be a non-smoking area.

In Los Angeles, you can't smoke in a bar AT ALL.

I love being able to come home and not smell like an ashtray. Just because alcohol is a vice like tobacco, it doesn't mean anything. When you drink, people around you don't smell like whatever it is your drinking and it doesn't hurt their liver when you drink, either.

But when they drive they hurt more than my liver. I don't care whether you are below .08 or not it slows down your reflexes. Same for driving high. I drink but I NEVER drive even if I have just had a beer or two. It might just be my conscience though. If something ever happened I would always wonder if alcohol is a contributing factor.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Hubris

what about parents with Infants and don't have the control to smoke outside? what about those poor babies with no choice but to sit in a smoke infested house.

btw, i'm not for banning. just playing devils advocate here. generally i don't think the govt. should get involved but in the case of parents with young children i'm not so sure.

 

[txgixer]

Should smoking be banned . . . . probably not . . . . . will probably never be a reality

Should health care deal with the consequences of smoking . . . NO
Should insurance rates be higher for smokers . . . . YES . . . . . just like car insurance is higher for "at risk" drivers

My father smoked from the early 60's through the mid 80's, so over 20 years. He quit somking almost 20 years ago.

He was diagnosed with LUNG CANCER last week. Young smokers should think about the consequences in 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now.

YES, you should have the freedom to choose. However, the wonderful government does MAKE me wear a seat belt because it protects me.

 

[Tominator]

Wouldn't it be fun to compare the reasons in this thread with the reasons given for or against abortion.

It would explode the 'personal choice' argument!

 

[Mill]

Yes it would. Funny it almost makes me seem like a hypocrite. But I prefer we keep them alive until they are of age that they decide to get cancer.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Tominator
Wouldn't it be fun to compare the reasons in this thread with the reasons given for or against abortion.

It would explode the 'personal choice' argument!

I don't want to veer this thread away, but can someone explain to me how an abortion affects anyone else BESIDES the the man and woman that decide they should have one???

Somebody smoking next to me has a very significant impact on both my breathing, allergies, and how bad I smell after leaving the area that their smoke has infected. If a woman sitting next to you on the bus has had an abortion, how has she caused you any harm???

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Tominator
Wouldn't it be fun to compare the reasons in this thread with the reasons given for or against abortion.

It would explode the 'personal choice' argument!

I don't want to veer this thread away, but can someone explain to me how an abortion affects anyone else BESIDES the the man and woman that decide they should have one???

Somebody smoking next to me has a very significant impact on both my breathing, allergies, and how bad I smell after leaving the area that their smoke has infected. If a woman sitting next to you on the bus has had an abortion, how has she caused you any harm???

How can the destruction of an unviable tissue mass POSSIBLY affect the man?

Somebody farming next to me has a very significant impact on my breathing, allergies and how bad I smell after leaving the area. Get real!

The bulk of abortions cost are funded by the taxpayer and that is me. It harms my family and my future when government uses that money for which they should never have had to fund things they should never be funding!

 

[vi edit]

How can the destruction of an unviable tissue mass POSSIBLY affect the man?

Child support if the child is born, and he chooses not to marry the woman.

As far as the taxes go - I'd rather subsidize birth control, education, and abortions than I would a $20,000 pregnacy each time a woman has a child that doesn't have health insurance and can't afford to pay for it.