How legal is this?

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: TechnoWeenie
I'm 'the guy' in question...


Axe to grind much??



Here's the word, straight from the horses mouth so to speak...

In WA, open carry of a pistol is completely legal, however it's not something that is very common, and not a lot of people are even aware it's legal. As such, sometimes the police are called when they don't need to be.

I have had previous incidents of management of various stores not abiding by their corporate policy (which mostly state that they go by state law, so if it's legal, it's OK). In addition, being that employees aren't always aware of the law, it's important, IMO, to politely and professionally inform them of what state law is, and what corporate policy is, so I don't get an ill informed employee or manager calling the police about something that's completely legal, or kicking me out of the store against policy.

This guy 'bluestrobe' is nothing more than someone with an axe to grind, attempting to see if it's against the law to record in public, in an attempt to get me in trouble. I already told him that there is no expectation of privacy in public, no need to blur out faces, or anything of that nature.

Anyone that watches the video can see I'm very polite, not at all overbearing or demeaning, and just presenting the information in a friendly manner.

It makes FAR more sense to introduce yourself and explain what you're doing/trying to accomplish (awareness of the law, and firearms in general) by being a rational, logical, friendly person, unlike 'bluestrobe' which appears to have a vindictive nature.

The overall goal is to make people realize that normal people carry guns too, not just cops and bad guys. Most people watch news and associate guns with murderers and rapists, this just isn't the case.. More guns are used PROTECTING life every year than there are that take life. The more people they see walking around doing everyday activities, the more they realize that regular people, shopping, walking their dog, coaching their sons baseball game, all carry.

Hell, in WA, something like 1/5 people in the state have concealed carry permits.. Can you imagine lining up 10 people and thinking that TWO are probably going to be legally armed? These same people you go to church with, hang out with at work, or have a beer with after work, are the same people who wish to protect themselves, their family, and our right to bear arms.


We organize picnics, dinners/lunches, clean up forest areas, even adopt highways which we clean regularly. We're not social rejects hiding in underground bunkers with stockpiles of weapons and canned food, we're normal every day people.

www.opencarry.org

-John

Hey I'm all for it and I have no problem with people open carry, my issue is you're an asshole trying to push an agenda.

You video tape and put online a cute little movie that attempts to do nothing but put people in uncomfortable situations and blind side them. Trying to assert your superiority on the subject.....here's a clue moron....not everyone cares about this issue as much as you do....they have other more important things going on in their lives.....like paying the bills, putting food on the table and raising children.


You want a home improvement store that allows open carry without a problem?....get off your ass and open one yourself.

most times it takes an asshole to accomplish something. I agree with the guy and how he asserts his rights for open carry. frankly i dont give a crap about the video recording.
the fact is most people dont give a crap about your agenda until something makes them uncomfortable.

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: TechnoWeenie
This guy 'bluestrobe' is nothing more than someone with an axe to grind, attempting to see if it's against the law to record in public, in an attempt to get me in trouble. I already told him that there is no expectation of privacy in public, no need to blur out faces, or anything of that nature.

I asked a question on this forum about a topic unrelated to the video subject. People wanted cliff notes and I gave them that. I don't agree with what you did but it doesn't mean I have an axe to grind or am vindictive. If anyone who doesn't agree with your actions is vindictive, then it must be a lonely world. You have a right to do what you did, it's just not the course I would have taken given that I was dealt the same cards. Also welcome to Anandtech.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: TechnoWeenie
I'm 'the guy' in question...


Axe to grind much??



Here's the word, straight from the horses mouth so to speak...

In WA, open carry of a pistol is completely legal, however it's not something that is very common, and not a lot of people are even aware it's legal. As such, sometimes the police are called when they don't need to be.

I have had previous incidents of management of various stores not abiding by their corporate policy (which mostly state that they go by state law, so if it's legal, it's OK). In addition, being that employees aren't always aware of the law, it's important, IMO, to politely and professionally inform them of what state law is, and what corporate policy is, so I don't get an ill informed employee or manager calling the police about something that's completely legal, or kicking me out of the store against policy.

This guy 'bluestrobe' is nothing more than someone with an axe to grind, attempting to see if it's against the law to record in public, in an attempt to get me in trouble. I already told him that there is no expectation of privacy in public, no need to blur out faces, or anything of that nature.

Anyone that watches the video can see I'm very polite, not at all overbearing or demeaning, and just presenting the information in a friendly manner.

It makes FAR more sense to introduce yourself and explain what you're doing/trying to accomplish (awareness of the law, and firearms in general) by being a rational, logical, friendly person, unlike 'bluestrobe' which appears to have a vindictive nature.

The overall goal is to make people realize that normal people carry guns too, not just cops and bad guys. Most people watch news and associate guns with murderers and rapists, this just isn't the case.. More guns are used PROTECTING life every year than there are that take life. The more people they see walking around doing everyday activities, the more they realize that regular people, shopping, walking their dog, coaching their sons baseball game, all carry.

Hell, in WA, something like 1/5 people in the state have concealed carry permits.. Can you imagine lining up 10 people and thinking that TWO are probably going to be legally armed? These same people you go to church with, hang out with at work, or have a beer with after work, are the same people who wish to protect themselves, their family, and our right to bear arms.


We organize picnics, dinners/lunches, clean up forest areas, even adopt highways which we clean regularly. We're not social rejects hiding in underground bunkers with stockpiles of weapons and canned food, we're normal every day people.

www.opencarry.org

-John

Actually latest figures are around 4% of the eligible population, though that number is climbing. It could be as high as 5 or 6% now, but not much more than that. Unless you have access to some sort of hidden information, in which case I'd dearly love to see it.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: TechnoWeenie
I'm 'the guy' in question...


Axe to grind much??



Here's the word, straight from the horses mouth so to speak...

In WA, open carry of a pistol is completely legal, however it's not something that is very common, and not a lot of people are even aware it's legal. As such, sometimes the police are called when they don't need to be.

I have had previous incidents of management of various stores not abiding by their corporate policy (which mostly state that they go by state law, so if it's legal, it's OK). In addition, being that employees aren't always aware of the law, it's important, IMO, to politely and professionally inform them of what state law is, and what corporate policy is, so I don't get an ill informed employee or manager calling the police about something that's completely legal, or kicking me out of the store against policy.

This guy 'bluestrobe' is nothing more than someone with an axe to grind, attempting to see if it's against the law to record in public, in an attempt to get me in trouble. I already told him that there is no expectation of privacy in public, no need to blur out faces, or anything of that nature.

Anyone that watches the video can see I'm very polite, not at all overbearing or demeaning, and just presenting the information in a friendly manner.

It makes FAR more sense to introduce yourself and explain what you're doing/trying to accomplish (awareness of the law, and firearms in general) by being a rational, logical, friendly person, unlike 'bluestrobe' which appears to have a vindictive nature.

The overall goal is to make people realize that normal people carry guns too, not just cops and bad guys. Most people watch news and associate guns with murderers and rapists, this just isn't the case.. More guns are used PROTECTING life every year than there are that take life. The more people they see walking around doing everyday activities, the more they realize that regular people, shopping, walking their dog, coaching their sons baseball game, all carry.

Hell, in WA, something like 1/5 people in the state have concealed carry permits.. Can you imagine lining up 10 people and thinking that TWO are probably going to be legally armed? These same people you go to church with, hang out with at work, or have a beer with after work, are the same people who wish to protect themselves, their family, and our right to bear arms.


We organize picnics, dinners/lunches, clean up forest areas, even adopt highways which we clean regularly. We're not social rejects hiding in underground bunkers with stockpiles of weapons and canned food, we're normal every day people.

www.opencarry.org

-John

Personally, I don't consider the desire to carry a gun on a daily basis "normal', but that's just me.

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Personally, I don't consider the desire to carry a gun on a daily basis "normal', but that's just me.

I agree. I respect the right to bear arms but pushing the issue and carrying the gun in plain sight everywhere someone goes is a little overboard. Also the "if you don't use a right, it is a wasted right" is not a good argument in this sense.

 

[SonicIce]

Why do people feel like a store is a playground?

 

[Mr Pickles]

Please do not use guns.

 

[TechnoWeenie]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
Why do people feel like a store is a playground?

They have swingsets and forts outside?

😀

 

[Farang]

Interesting, as a Washingtonian I did not know we had open carry

 

[CZroe]

I've heard this somewhere before: If he is not using it for commercial purposes, he can leave the faces in as long as there are three or more people involved in public (himself, his target, and one other public observer). If you don't want your face recordedin public, stay out of public places! A camera is no different than someone's spying eyes legally and you only need to be made aware of it in private.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Personally, I don't consider the desire to carry a gun on a daily basis "normal', but that's just me.

Yeah, people that are determined to defend themselves whenever possible are clearly not normal.

:roll:

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
I agree. I respect the right to bear arms but pushing the issue and carrying the gun in plain sight everywhere someone goes is a little overboard. Also the "if you don't use a right, it is a wasted right" is not a good argument in this sense.

So, you don't respect the right to bear arms?

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: Farang
Interesting, as a Washingtonian I did not know we had open carry

Yes, but it is a really fine line. Let so much as a shirt tail or your coat tail partially obscure the gun and now it is a concealed carry.

 

[gar598]

This is still very much private property. It's public in the sense that they cannot restrict people from entering based on certain government guidelines (race, gender, etc.).

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
I agree. I respect the right to bear arms but pushing the issue and carrying the gun in plain sight everywhere someone goes is a little overboard. Also the "if you don't use a right, it is a wasted right" is not a good argument in this sense.

So, you don't respect the right to bear arms?

I respect the right to own guns. However, carrying one everywhere you go for the "wow" factor is a little overboard. I have no issues with Open Carry/CCW, just be tactful about it and use common sense.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Personally, I don't consider the desire to carry a gun on a daily basis "normal', but that's just me.

Yeah, people that are determined to defend themselves whenever possible are clearly not normal.

Defend yourself from whom ? The Bad Guy? Most people are not armed. It is not "normal" to feel the need to be armed with deadly force on a daily basis.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: skyking

Originally posted by: Farang
Interesting, as a Washingtonian I did not know we had open carry

Yes, but it is a really fine line. Let so much as a shirt tail or your coat tail partially obscure the gun and now it is a concealed carry.

I see.. well it isn't like a permit is hard to get anyway, might as well cough up the $60 and be able to put your jacket on

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Personally, I don't consider the desire to carry a gun on a daily basis "normal', but that's just me.

Yeah, people that are determined to defend themselves whenever possible are clearly not normal.

Defend yourself from whom ? The Bad Guy? Most people are not armed. It is not "normal" to feel the need to be armed with deadly force on a daily basis.

Who else would you defend yourself from? The good guy?

The only thing abnormal here is your classification of guns as somehow being different than any other tool.

The point is to prepared for the worst. It's the same reason I carry a spare tire in my car and have a fire extinguisher available in every room in my apartment. I don't drive around worrying about getting a flat tire and I don't sit in my apartment trembling in fear of my stove bursting into flames. However, if either happens, I'll be prepared.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

this guy's a dick. the manager simply should have asked him to leave the premises and not enter into a debate about legality. Once the guy refuses to leave after asked, he's guilty of criminal tresspass.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
this guy's a dick. the manager simply should have asked him to leave the premises and not enter into a debate about legality. Once the guy refuses to leave after asked, he's guilty of criminal tresspass.

why ask him to leave? he could just say he doesn't want to get into a debate about it. nothing wrong w/ open carry, hell i have been around it my whole life in AZ and never had an issue. do i see it every day? no, am i surprised when i do see it? no

personally though, i would rather people conceal carry - legally of course because of all the ignorant people out there.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
this guy's a dick. the manager simply should have asked him to leave the premises and not enter into a debate about legality. Once the guy refuses to leave after asked, he's guilty of criminal tresspass.

why ask him to leave? he could just say he doesn't want to get into a debate about it. nothing wrong w/ open carry, hell i have been around it my whole life in AZ and never had an issue. do i see it every day? no, am i surprised when i do see it? no

personally though, i would rather people conceal carry - legally of course because of all the ignorant people out there.

because it was obvious the guy had an agenda, and most likely would have pursued his agenda

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Personally, I don't consider the desire to carry a gun on a daily basis "normal', but that's just me.

Yeah, people that are determined to defend themselves whenever possible are clearly not normal.

Defend yourself from whom ? The Bad Guy? Most people are not armed. It is not "normal" to feel the need to be armed with deadly force on a daily basis.

Who else would you defend yourself from? The good guy?

The only thing abnormal here is your classification of guns as somehow being different than any other tool.

The point is to prepared for the worst. It's the same reason I carry a spare tire in my car and have a fire extinguisher available in every room in my apartment. I don't drive around worrying about getting a flat tire and I don't sit in my apartment trembling in fear of my stove bursting into flames. However, if either happens, I'll be prepared.

Nowhere in my post did I "classify" guns.