How is this new Budget Gaming Computer Build?

felix5

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I'm looking to purchase these computer parts for a new budget gaming computer build. Will the parts below work together? I haven't built a computer in ages.


GABYTE G1 Sniper B7 LGA 1151 DDR4 PCIEx16 PCIEx4 2PCIEX1 M2 WiFi USB 3.0 CrossFire ATX Motherboard
INTEL® CORE™ I5-6600K 3.50GHZ 6M Cache FC-LGA14C LGA1151 Processor Retail Package Skylake
SanDisk Z400S 128GB M.2 2280 SATA 3 Solid State Drive (SSD)
Toshiba DT01ACA300 3TB SATA3 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5in Internal Hard Disk Drive HDD
Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16G 2X8GB 2133MHZ DDR4 Non-ECC CL14DIMM Dual Channel Memory
Thermaltake Core V31 Window ATX Mid Tower Case Black 2X5.25 3X3.5INT Front USB3.0 Audio No PSU
EVGA 650 GQ 80 Plus Gold 650W Eco Mode Semi Modular SLI/CrossFire Power Supply 5YR Warranty
for video card I am waiting for the new AMD ATI Polaris cards to come out end of the month


Also does anyone know the difference between the SanDisk X400 and Z400S M.2 drives?
 

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You have a few problems.

You have a unlocked CPU, but a motherboard that can't overclock it.

With low RAM prices, you should select faster ram.

There is no difference between the Sandisk SSDs. They are both SATA. You want a SSD larger than 128 GB. There are plenty 250 GB ones that are relatively inexpensive.

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The x400s is lower performance for smart devices. You don't want that version.
 
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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Njkf7h

Here is a rough draft. Basically if you want to overclock, you need a z170 motherboard. If you don't want to overclock, get a i5-6500 and a really any h170 or z170 motherboard is fine.

The EVGA P2 power supply is one of the top rated units there are, and it has platinum effeciency (I was going to recommend the G2 version, but for some reason the P2 is cheaper right now).

With SSDs you will want to leave probably around 20 Gb for over-provisioning. It helps extend the life and improves performance on most models. Some people will say other wise, but Google it and decide for yourself. Plus, you never want to exceed 70% of the SSDs total space or your performance suffers. 128 GB drives fill up fast.

Just my .02
 

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Thanks for your suggestions. I don't plan to overclock, so maybe I'll go with the i5-6500 processor. What is the next step up if I don't want to overclock?

The motherboard I chose it because it was the least expensive skylake motherboard ($95 CAD after rebate). Will I see much of a difference with faster ram?

The reason why I picked 128GB SSD ... I was planning to use that for the OS only, and then the 3TB 7200rpm HDD mechanical drive for games and media, etc. Isn't that optimal for a budget setup?



You have a few problems.
The x400s is lower performance for smart devices. You don't want that version.
Do you mean the Z400S is lower performance? So the X400 is better?
 

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Thanks for your suggestions. I don't plan to overclock, so maybe I'll go with the i5-6500 processor. What is the next step up if I don't want to overclock?

The motherboard I chose it because it was the least expensive skylake motherboard ($95 CAD after rebate). Will I see much of a difference with faster ram?

The reason why I picked 128GB SSD ... I was planning to use that for the OS only, and then the 3TB 7200rpm HDD mechanical drive for games and media, etc. Isn't that optimal for a budget setup?




Do you mean the Z400S is lower performance? So the X400 is better?

1. The i5-6500 is top dog in a budget build. You could go i5-6600(non-k), but it's really not much of a jump up for the extra $30.

2. The motherboard you selected was a b150 chipset. If you aren't overclocking, just get a good reviewed h170 or z170 motherboard. The b150 chipset has limitations.

3. Depending on which website's review of DDR4 speed scaling you read. Some say there is little difference, some say there is huge difference. But with RAM prices low, it only makes sense to buy the faster stuff if it is only $10 more than the slow stuff. Just make sure the RAM you select is either on the motherboard company's QVL (Qualified Vendor List) or go to the RAM manufacturer's webpage and use their memory finder tool. Many people buy RAM on here, and then have system instability or other issues because it just doesn't work right on that particular motherboard.

4. I figured you were only going to use the SSD for your OS, but Windows 10 and it's updates add up fast. Remember the 20 GB over provision recommendation, and not to fill it up past 70%. I recommend the next size up from the 128 GB drives. Not much difference in price if you watch for sales ($20 more or so).

5. The X400s is a low performance drive. It only rated at up to 546 / 342 MB/s sequential read/write, and up to 33/62k IOPS random/read write.

The X400 is Up to 545 /520 MB/s and Up to 95k IOPS random read/write.

So no, you DO NOT want the X400s.
 

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I had a few minutes to look at current CPU prices, so this is what I would do if I were building a budget PC:

Get the 6600k or 6500. You don't have to overclock it, but the 6600k runs at 3.5 Ghz w/3.9 Ghz turbo. It is currently $220.

The 6600 (non-k) runs at 3.3 Ghz w/3.9 Ghz turbo. It is currently $216.

The 6500 runs at 3.2 Ghz w/3.6 Ghz turbo. It is currently $195.

The only thing to keep in mind is the Skylake 'K' processors do not come with a heatsink/fan. You would have to buy one if you go the 6600k route, and that will increase your build by $25+.
 

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Thanks, I didn't know that the i5-6500 is the best value processor right now.

I guess I would prefer the Z170 motherboard over the H170, since it seems not much of a price difference from a quick search (I live in Canada so I use NCIX, DirectCanada, Canada Computers, NewEgg.ca, etc for the lowest prices).

What about the following Z170 board? It's about $45 CAD more than the B150 board.
ASUS Z170-E ATX LGA1151 Z170 Skylake DDR4 3PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 SLI Support CrossFireX USB3.1 Motherboard

I don't see why the B150 boards wouldn't be good for this cheap build? Would it not support the M.2 SSD and SATA HDD? I won't be using RAID, or overclocking, or SLI/CrossFire, or more hard drives in the future.

What is the 20 GB over provision? And I guess we shouldn't fill up past 70% or it would affect performance?

If the X400 is the much better one, then why are they still selling the Z400S for around the same price?

Also I am looking at the memory support for these motherboards ...

3466(O.C.)/3400(O.C.)/3333(O.C.)/3200(O.C.)/3000(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666(O.C.)/2400(O.C.)/2133 MHz

... does this mean all ram above 2133 Mhz are overclocked? So if we buy for example 3200 Mhz ram, does it mean it comes already overclocked? It's a $20 CAD difference between this 3200 Mhz and the 2133 Mhz one.

The EVGA 650 GQ 80 Plus Gold 650W ($79.99 CAD after $20 rebate) seems to be cheaper than the EVGA SUPERNOVA 650 P2 ($111.99 CAD after $20 rebate) for us here in Canada. So I guess I'll just pick the cheaper of the two.
 
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Also thanks for the tip on the 'K' processors not coming with a heatsink/fan. Would it be quieter to use a CPU watercooler? If so can you recommend one assuming I have the above case and set up? I have no idea as they all look the same to me. Could you look on NCIX.com as I think we have a different selection than Americans.

The 650W PSU, is that more than enough for my setup? Would I be ok with 550W? Planning to get the ATI Polaris video card when it comes out, especially if it retails at $200 USD like it was announced.
 
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Also thanks for the tip on the 'K' processors not coming with a heatsink/fan. Would it be quieter to use a CPU watercooler?

In general, no. Liquid coolers tend to have higher fan RPM's than similarly performing air coolers - this is because in order to gain cooling performance out of a dense radiator, you need high static pressure which requires high fan RPM's. Heat sinks have more sparsely spaced fins which work better with lower RPM fans.

I'd recommend Frio Silent 14 $50, it's extremely quiet and it's powerful enough that you can OC the 6600K to about 4.5GHz.

The 650W PSU, is that more than enough for my setup? Would I be ok with 550W? Planning to get the ATI Polaris video card when it comes out, especially if it retails at $200 USD like it was announced.

You mean RX 480? That's a <150W part, you would be fine even with a quality 400W unit. But buy some extra capacity for future proofing purposes. That EVGA 650GQ is a good buy.
 
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Thanks, I didn't know that the i5-6500 is the best value processor right now.

What about the following Z170 board? It's about $45 CAD more than the B150 board.
ASUS Z170-E ATX LGA1151 Z170 Skylake DDR4 3PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 SLI Support CrossFireX USB3.1 Motherboard

I don't see why the B150 boards wouldn't be good for this cheap build? Would it not support the M.2 SSD and SATA HDD? I won't be using RAID, or overclocking, or SLI/CrossFire, or more hard drives in the future.

What is the 20 GB over provision? And I guess we shouldn't fill up past 70% or it would affect performance?

If the X400 is the much better one, then why are they still selling the Z400S for around the same price?

Also I am looking at the memory support for these motherboards ...

3466(O.C.)/3400(O.C.)/3333(O.C.)/3200(O.C.)/3000(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666(O.C.)/2400(O.C.)/2133 MHz

... does this mean all ram above 2133 Mhz are overclocked? So if we buy for example 3200 Mhz ram, does it mean it comes already overclocked? It's a $20 CAD difference between this 3200 Mhz and the 2133 Mhz one.

The EVGA 650 GQ 80 Plus Gold 650W ($79.99 CAD after $20 rebate) seems to be cheaper than the EVGA SUPERNOVA 650 P2 ($111.99 CAD after $20 rebate) for us here in Canada. So I guess I'll just pick the cheaper of the two.

1. Asus motherboards are a good choice. All companies make good boards, so just go with whatever one has good reviews and has the features you want (like ACL1150 sound chip over ALC892) or SLI certified or Crossfire certified if those features are important to you. The Asus z170-e board you mentioned looks good outside of the onboard sound. It only has a ALC887 codec, which is pretty basic. You could try it and see if it sounds good to you in games and music, and if not, you could add in a sound card at a later date ($30+).

The ASUS H170 PRO GAMING has ALC1150 and is cheaper. It is not Nvidia SLI certified, but is AMD Crossfire certified.

2. To see the differences between the B150 and the h170 and z170 boards, you can read about that here:

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2099-intel-chipset-comparison-z170-h170-h110

It only makes sense to go with a h170 or z170 for the price.

2. Over-provisioning can be read about here:

http://www.seagate.com/tech-insights/ssd-over-provisioning-benefits-master-ti/

And yes, the performance of the drive will decrease when it fill it past 70%. My son filled one of his SSDs up to 90% and the system began moving like a dog. Stutters, small freezes, etc. Once we took it back down below that fill level, it sprung back to life. Like I said, you should be able to get a 250 GBish drive for less than $20 more than a 128 GB drive. All SSds come with a small over-provision from the manufacturer to increase performance and to replace NAND as it 'dies' after so many writes. Increasing the over-provision just gives it a little extra boost. It is not the end of the world if you don't set an additional over-provision, but I find it useful and I do it. Here is another article explaining it:

http://www.kingston.com/us/ssd/overprovisioning

Sandisk x400, Sandisk Ultra II, Samsung 850 EVO, Crucial MX200, PNY 2211, Toshiba Q300, and Intel 535 are all good basic drives with good performance. You could pick whichever one you could get the best price on in your area. I like Samsung drives, but that's my personal preference for price/performance.

3. I can't comment on why Sandisk prices the drives the same. All I can tell you is the X400s is significantly slower than the X400. If you look at Sandisk's website, they even state the X400s is for smart devices, is slower, and is rated by Sandisk with a much shorter shorter life (72 TB writes vs 320 TB writes for the X400). On Sandisk's website, it states the X400s is for:

A slim, power efficient drive for embedded applications and mobile devices, the Z400s brings new levels of performance and intelligence to electronic signs, point-of-sale systems, notebooks and other products.

You don't want a SSD that is meant for registers and electric signs. ;)

5. The default memory speed for Skylake is DDR4 2133. However, it supports Intel XMP which is running the memory 'overclocked'. It is different than overclocking a CPU as it is developed and certified by Intel. You simply go into the BIOS and enable XMP. The motherboard will then run the RAM at its rated speed. You don't need DDR4 3200, but I'd get at least DDR4 2666 - DDR4 3000 as the price is almost the same as DDR4 2133.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html

6. The EVGA GQ is a good power supply, so if you can get it cheaper, then it is fine. However, the EVGA G2 (gold) and P2 (platinum) are two of the best rated power supply lines out there. They have a 10 year warranty, while the GQ has a 5 year warranty. If they are close in price, the G2 and P2 are worth considering.
 
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Also thanks for the tip on the 'K' processors not coming with a heatsink/fan. Would it be quieter to use a CPU watercooler? If so can you recommend one assuming I have the above case and set up? I have no idea as they all look the same to me. Could you look on NCIX.com as I think we have a different selection than Americans.

The 650W PSU, is that more than enough for my setup? Would I be ok with 550W? Planning to get the ATI Polaris video card when it comes out, especially if it retails at $200 USD like it was announced.

You aren't overclocking, so there is no need for water cooling. If you get the 6600k, the $25 Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo is plenty for cooling it and is pretty quiet.

If you are running one video card, 550w is plenty on a budget build (GTX 1070, AMD 480 will run fine on a 550w). However, there is usually little difference in pricing between 550w and 650w units. It just gives you a little extra headroom for upgrading your video card to the latest and greatest in the future.
 

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Thanks, looks like I will stick with the stock Intel heatsinks then. Somehow I always thought they were quieter when I first starting building my own computer 15 years ago.

Is the ACL1150 sound chip better than ALC892 with the Klipsch Promedia 2.1 speakers? What about the ALC887?

I will definitely get the Sandisk X400, thanks for letting me know the performance differences.

How is this Z170 motherboard, it is today's Shell Shocker on NewEgg.ca for $104.99 CAD after $15 rebate. I guess I should wait since it supports DDR3 only?

Gigabyte Ultra Durable GA-Z170-HD3 DDR3 Desktop Motherboard - Intel Z170 Chipset - Socket H4 LGA-1151
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128877
 

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Thanks, looks like I will stick with the stock Intel heatsinks then. Somehow I always thought they were quieter when I first starting building my own computer 15 years ago.

Is the ACL1150 sound chip better than ALC892 with the Klipsch Promedia 2.1 speakers? What about the ALC887?

I will definitely get the Sandisk X400, thanks for letting me know the performance differences.

How is this Z170 motherboard, it is today's Shell Shocker on NewEgg.ca for $104.99 CAD after $15 rebate. I guess I should wait since it supports DDR3 only?

Gigabyte Ultra Durable GA-Z170-HD3 DDR3 Desktop Motherboard - Intel Z170 Chipset - Socket H4 LGA-1151
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128877

That motherboard uses DDR3 ram, so I would skip it.

I find the ACL1150 audio is a big difference, but I listen to a lot of music (classic rock, rock, etc.) on my computer, and to me it's worth it. I have some Logitech 2.1 speakers myself. That said, you might be fine with the lower-end codec. If you don't, you could always get a sound card when the budget allows. However, you could just get a board with ALC1150 and not worry about it. It really is pretty good. I used to use a Creative sound card for sound because onboard sound was mediocre at best. However, when I built my system last November, there was a driver/OS issue with the sound card, so I decided to see if I could live with the onboard audio. I was floored at how much better it was ALC892 and ALC887 versions.

Intel heatsink/fans are quiet until you game on your PC and the CPU gets hot. Then they get noisy because they are pretty small, and the fan has to spin really fast. You can try it out, and if you find it is too noisy, you could get a different heatsink.

I am just really sensitive to noise, and my home office is quiet, so I hear the fans when they spin up. I have Noctua fans in my case that spin at under 700 RPM to keep it quiet and cool.

Probably the best two budget boards with ALC1150 are:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128863&ignorebbr=1

or

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...e=ASUS_H170_PRO_GAMING-_-13-132-575-_-Product

Prices seem a little higher on that side of the border on Newegg.
 
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I am just really sensitive to noise, and my home office is quiet, so I hear the fans when they spin up.
I too am very sensitive to noise! In fact I wear earplugs to sleep at night. I think these are awakening symptoms.

My current computer room has a very loud A/C as background noise, so I figured I would try a non-silent case this time.

Thank you all for your suggestions. I think I know what parts to choose now.
 

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I too am very sensitive to noise! In fact I wear earplugs to sleep at night. I think these are awakening symptoms.

My current computer room has a very loud A/C as background noise, so I figured I would try a non-silent case this time.

Thank you all for your suggestions. I think I know what parts to choose now.

No problem, and good luck!