how is the k7s5a onboard sound?

[aswedc]

Yeah I am a minority, I'm one of the few smart ones that realises 16bit stereo 44khz sounds identical coming out of the k7s5a as it does a 100$ sound blaster. Maybe some high end turtle beach cards might have better quality components such as filters / caps and resistors that could be noticed on a 3000$ home theatre setup, but if you're going to set it up on a measley* klipsch promedia setup then you're kiddding yourself if you think there's any difference.

think onboard sound being "bad" is just a claim of jelous tech-heads who spent 50-300$ on their hardware (that was well reviewed by another tech-head) who can't deal with the fact that $5 worth of IC's makes a good enough sound reproduction that humans can't distinguish it from their fancy stuff.

I would like to know what experience you base your claims on. Have you actually listened to the onboard sound of a K7S5A, and then a good sound card? The sound quality of some onboard solutions can be quite good - If you had said the quality between a C-Media 8738 onboard and a SB Live was indistinguishable on mid range PC speakers I could have believed you. But the SiS 7012 is particularily poor.

Toshiba onboard waveform
M-Audio Sonica waveform <- Makes real high end sound cards

My main complaint about the 7012 is the lack of clarity in the bass, which appears to be similar to the situation on the Toshiba. Are you saying that it is impossible for the human ear to detect the differences that significant, that are being picked up by computer measurements? Finally, what audio expertise do you have to be able to say I don't know a damn thing about it anyway?

*, klipsch pro-media speakers are DEFINATELY measley compared to a TRUE audio setup, they might be very high end for PC speakers, but they are no where near top end audio.

Any PC sound card is definately measley compared to a true setup, they might be very high end for PC sound reproduction, but they are nowhere near top end audio.

 

[Slogun]

aswedc, abrasion may or may not have audio expertise, but you got his goat when you first quoted him and seemingly belittled his comments.

But yes, he was "abrasive" in saying "these answers are incorrect!"

Ha, it's all opinion, you guys could lighten it up a little.

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: Slogun
aswedc, abrasion may or may not have audio expertise, but you got his goat when you first quoted him and seemingly belittled his comments.

I believe my response to be appropriate considering this:

You've pretty much shown you don't know a damn thing about how sound cards work - good job- keep it up.

EDIT: Don't want to turn this thread into an argument about this, so I'll just say that if AbRASiON took any personal offense to my original comments disagreeing with his post I apologize. I was simply stating my opinion.

 

[Slogun]

Well, I was looking at the posts chronologically.

 

[Woodchuck2000]

I would like to know what experience you base your claims on. Have you actually listened to the onboard sound of a K7S5A, and then a good sound card? The sound quality of some onboard solutions can be quite good - If you had said the quality between a C-Media 8738 onboard and a SB Live was indistinguishable on mid range PC speakers I could have believed you. But the SiS 7012 is particularily poor.

I've listened to an Audigy and the K7S5A through the same set of (high end) speakers and there is a noticeable difference. The audigy has tighter bass and sounds generally less muffled. I've also listened to them on a dodgy 2.1 setup and it's quite hard to choose between them.

If you're going to pair it with cheap speakers, use the onboard. If you're going to use it to listen to music through some decent speakers, get a non-integrated sound card.

 

[AbRASiON]

EDIT: Don't want to turn this thread into an argument about this, so I'll just say that if AbRASiON took any personal offense to my original comments disagreeing with his post I apologize. I was simply stating my opinion.

I guess I'm easily ... made abrasive....................

I'm more than happy with K7S5A sound, only flaw is no amplification, but technically it shouldn't do it anyhow.
It's opinion definately.
A test would be nice, but since 99% of these are indistinguishable to 99% of peoples ears, it would be difficult to do.