How is it that the surge is working?

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Narmer
Again, show me evidence that Iran is giving weapons to terrorists or quit posting. If you need help, go here:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof.

I have shown you proof. You keep rejecting everything out of hand and moving goal posts. Apparently, you expect me to travel to Iraq and take video myself instead of the multiple links to multiple news organizations I have posted that all mention the connection between Iranian weapons and terrorists in Iraq.

Tell me how a Hezbollah bomb-maker captured in Iraq is not proof? Remember, Hezbollah is an Iranian backed terrorist organization.

Tell me how Iranian weapons still in their original wrappings captured after raids on Al Qaeda hide-outs is not proof?

Tell me how the flow of Al Qaeda types from safe havens inside Iran is not proof?

Tell me how Iran being a regular meeting place for Al Qaeda is not proof?

Here is a quote today from a Sunni politician in Baghdad after an Al Qaeda attack that killed 5 US Soldiers.

"Arabs, your brothers in the land of the two rivers and in Baghdad in particular are exposed to an unprecedented genocide campaign by the militias and death squads that are directed, armed and supported by Iran," al-Dulaimi said.

And yet still more

The National Intelligence Estimate, released July 17, reveals that one of the two known leadership ?councils,? or Shura Majlis, of al Qaeda meets in Iran. Citing a final working draft of the intelligence document, New York Sun columnist Eli Lake reports that the American intelligence community believes that dozens of senior al Qaeda leaders operate from Iran with the aid of Iran?s Quds force, the terrorist unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, which reports directly to Iran?s supreme leader. According to three American intelligence sources, says Lake, top al Qaeda figures meet regularly in eastern Iran to make policy and plan attacks.

As Investor?s Business Daily writes, ?Iran has, in effect, made it possible for al Qaeda to function even as we hunt down its leaders in Afghanistan and Iraq. It?s aiding and abetting our enemy? (July 17).

?We know that there were two al Qaeda centers of gravity,? Roger Cressey, a former deputy to a counterterrorism tsar, Richard Clarke, said in an interview last week. ?After the Taliban fell, one went to Pakistan, the other fled to Iran.?

Three of the most senior al Qaeda leaders who have found refuge in Iran are Saif al-Adel, a military planner trained in the Egyptian special forces who fled to Iran after al Qaeda was driven from Afghanistan in 2001; Suleiman Abu Ghaith, al Qaeda?s propaganda minister; and Saad bin Laden, one of Osama bin Laden?s sons. Senior al Qaeda members reside in a military base near Tehran, a Tehran suburb, a Shiite holy city and a town near the Afghanistan border, according to the intelligence estimate.

Keep your eyes closed though, it makes everything easier.

You have proven nothing, just alleged happenings. Stop digging. Do you understand what a proof is?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Narmer,

My facts are more reliable than any agency NOT EVEN IN THEATER. I'm actually there, and actually part of the reconstruction. So, your ASSumption of wanting proof I return to you.

No presence, nobody on the ground=whatever they want to believe...just like you. Despite virtually every person actually having been there (or still there) there saying the opposite from you, you refuse to believe. Get real!

Do you get ANYTHING about Iraq? I doubt it....
tacit agreement

Never ASSume anything about any place that you haven't recieved anything more than third hand information about.

Do your homework, and ask questions...don't shortchange yourself to one POV.

You said I made those things up. I provided links. Now you're wearing the Iraqi stamp on your passport as a badge of honor and denigrating me for not going? I wish you the best, man, but your personal attacks haven't disproven any of the links I've provided. Try harder. Give me numbers to refute what OXFAM is saying or STFU.

 

[maluckey]

What part of OXFAM gets their numbers from people like you don't you get?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: maluckey
What part of OXFAM gets their numbers from people like you don't you get?

Please provide your own numbers if you dispute OXFAM.

 

[maluckey]

You said I made those things up. I provided links.

Narmer,

Perhaps you'd understand better if i put it this way.

If you state an OPINION, state it as such. If you base your opinion off of someone elses opinion, then state it as such.

The OXFAM numbers, and the fact that they get their information from sources that have either no presence, or limited travel within Iraq, already strains any credibility that they might have had. OXFAM has zero credibility in Iraq, and likely as much credibility as you have in the state of Maine for covering Yiddish family genetics of the Nothern counties.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: maluckey

You said I made those things up. I provided links.

Narmer,

Perhaps you'd understand better if i put it this way.

If you state an OPINION, state it as such. If you base your opinion off of someone elses opinion, then state it as such.

The OXFAM numbers, and the fact that they get their information from sources that have either no presence, or limited travel within Iraq, already strains any credibility that they might have had. OXFAM has zero credibility in Iraq, and likely as much credibility as you have in the state of Maine for covering Yiddish family genetics of the Nothern counties.

You guys can drag this on as long as you wish but I'm gonna say this . . .

I take every *news source* and *gov't report* cited in this thread with a grain of salt. Of all the lives lost and all the damage done in the last five years the biggest casualty has been the truth.

And in Iraq truth, reality and objectivity can be elastic.

PR and PsyOps in Iraq

 

[WHAMPOM]

250 dead today, 175 yesterday and US presence will require "DECADES" to bolster Iraqi Gov. Don't blame me, I am just the messenger, blame G W Bush and his neocon buddies.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: maluckey

You said I made those things up. I provided links.

Narmer,

Perhaps you'd understand better if i put it this way.

If you state an OPINION, state it as such. If you base your opinion off of someone elses opinion, then state it as such.

The OXFAM numbers, and the fact that they get their information from sources that have either no presence, or limited travel within Iraq, already strains any credibility that they might have had. OXFAM has zero credibility in Iraq, and likely as much credibility as you have in the state of Maine for covering Yiddish family genetics of the Nothern counties.

In other words, you have nothing to backup your assertions. You lose. OXFAM wins.