How is it humans can be so wonderful and so disgusting

lxskllr

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Humans are generally shit. Fixing the kitten isn't exceptional imo if that's what you're getting at. It's the duty of thinking beings to help all under distress when delivered to them, regardless of the distressed creature's station in life.
 

tcsenter

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Look at nature, we're animals, bro. Nature has this awesome beauty and often surprising social tendencies or intelligence (e.g. predators making friends with prey, dogs adopting baby squirrels, affectionate behaviors, quasi-imaginative playfulness or curiosity, problem solving, etc.), which is matched by nature's terrible brutality and cruelty.
 

HeXen

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I saw some wolves eating a deer from the rear end while it was still alive. We're more complex of course than that to a point of torture for pleasure but it is still part of human nature and likely a side effect of the complexity of our brains from being so much more intelligent.

If that kitten is going to suffer most of it's life though, I think it's more humane to put it down.
 

colonelciller

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glad I didn't look at the linked picture.

anyone who thinks humans are great just needs to take a look at how poorly we treat animals and the biosphere. In general we are cruel and suicidal (although there is a case to be made that many people are ignorant regarding the bioshphere and therefore not necessarily suicidal... although a lot of that ignorance is created by careful planning of propaganda by... greedy folks who value their personal gain above the future of everyone's children & grand-children, etc.)
 

wirednuts

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honestly.. whoever did that.. i think everyone knows what should happen to him. only without the part about being saved.
 

wirednuts

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If that kitten is going to suffer most of it's life though, I think it's more humane to put it down.

itll be fine. my cat got caught in the bedroom blinds once on the 2nd floor. he was freaking out as his leg was caught and he was hanging from the window outside. i couldnt get a good grip on him, and his foot released and he dropped into a very rough bush (old bush, trimmed a lot, thick sharp branches inside).

i didnt see him for almost a day.. then he came home and went right to my bed and just stayed there. big ole gash under his front leg. poor guy, i never saw him down for a week like that.

he ended up being fine though. no lasting effects. other then me never having to worry about him going near a window again :D
 

dighn

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Look at nature, we're animals, bro. Nature has this awesome beauty and often surprising social tendencies or intelligence (e.g. predators making friends with prey, dogs adopting baby squirrels, affectionate behaviors, quasi-imaginative playfulness or curiosity, problem solving, etc.), which is matched by nature's terrible brutality and cruelty.

ditto. nature is cruel, and in many ways, we are mere its extension.
 

wirednuts

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ditto. nature is cruel, and in many ways, we are mere its extension.

reminds me of how bears eat. theyre not as nice as crocodiles. crocs will drown you or whatever they can do to make you dead quickly.

bears just start eating. they dont care. "ooh, those legs look great. CHOMP. ok im bored now, ill come back in a few min"
 

lxskllr

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ditto. nature is cruel, and in many ways, we are mere its extension.

Serious question... Do other animals kill and maim for pleasure? I know murder has been noted, but I don't know that it was for pleasure purposes.
 

dighn

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Serious question... Do other animals kill and maim for pleasure? I know murder has been noted, but I don't know that it was for pleasure purposes.

cats seem like to play around with their catches. not sure if you can call that "pleasure". we do have bigger brains and more complex cognition so there are likely many things that do not have true analogues in nature but have roots in it.

i do think we can overcome the less shining parts of our nature and imo we have come a long way. it just takes time. and there will always be outliers and some of them will be sickos.
 
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mikeymikec

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cats seem like to play around with their catches.

IMO, domesticated cats play with what they catch. A wild cat eats what it catches because it is hungry and it is part of its instinct to hunt down prey. A domesticated cat still has the instinct but not the hunger, hence it does half the job.
 
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Red Squirrel

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It's sad, this stuff happens all the time too. :( You should see some of the stuff companies do to animals for "testing". P&G is actually one of the worse companies for this. They'll spray stuff in animal's eyes to see what it does and useless tests. This torture is something straight from hell. What makes humans worse when it comes to this stuff is that humans actually do it for joy. In the animal kingdom it's mostly done because most animals don't really have a concept of cruelty and just start munching on whatever end is more convenient. It's cruel but it's not really done that way on purpose.

I think anyone who tortures animals should have the same thing done to them, then dismembered and thrown in the middle of the bush, in January.
 

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I looked at the pictures this morning and closed the thread without comment as I knew I'd be too angry to offer anything productive. Tonight one of our cats had a seizure. His first encounter with a human was being stepped on as a newborn kitten. The person who stepped on him wasn't malicious, the person had heard a noise in a shed and stepped into the shed to find a feral mother and the new kittens, stepping on him in the process. The person brought him to a vet expecting to have him put down. By pure chance, two no-kill shelter volunteers happened to be at the vet with a of couple shelter animals in for routine shots. The vet and the shelter folks decided to give him a chance at life. With drugs to control the seizures he only has about one a month. For the first seven years of life he couldn't purr. He has since re-learned to do that. Due to his neurological damage he can't jump up on stuff so he is floor bound. He learned to walk in time to music. He can't use a litter box so we just clean up after him and he has learned to groom and clean himself. When he seizes we hold him in a blanket so he doesn't hurt himself.

After tonight's seizure my wife held him and he grabbed on to her arm like a sloth and stayed there clutching. That's when I thought of this thread again and how that kitten's life will forever be different that what it could have been. Even now, it isn't clear that it will survive the trauma with the risks of infection and "failure to thrive" so grave. I don't have a great punch line or moral here but I'm rooting for this kitten and hope he finds a forever home with people who love him.
 
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Wyndru

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I hope they catch who did it for some psych eval. Abuse like this to animals is some serial killer in the making shit.

The Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs started out like this. I remember seeing a video of them hanging a cat from a tree, then shooting it with a BB gun over and over until it died.
 

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I LOVE YOU KITTTTYYYY!!!! :D


*Goes into kitteh's are so cute rage*

motherfuck people who are mean to animals, I can understand being mean to humans, but FUCKING ANIMALS?!