How is centralized vaccination policy a net benefit to society?

[thraashman]

Vaccination is not 100% bad, but it is more bad than good. Some people are very sensitive to needles (even though I am not since I am an ape).

I feel like someone should have addressed this already. ALL humans are members of family Hominidae, also known as great apes.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Vaccination is not 100% bad, but it is more bad than good. Some people are very sensitive to needles (even though I am not since I am an ape). Vaccinations reduce natural immunity. Individual physicians dont need the State to guide them.

If there were more confederalism, then we would have cures that were inexpensive in the long term (and that were developed voluntarily) and a lot less diabetes, a lot less heart disease, a lot less cancer, and a lot less erectile dysfunction going around. Repealing trade regs on medical products and repealing prescription legislation means there would be less gas wasted (me and my dad have to turn in my unused amphetamine and some unused prescriptions this morning), less paper wasted, less electricity wasted, less bandwidth wasted, more confidentiality between patient and doctor (HIPAA created expensive bureaucracy and could never have protected privacy), cheaper medical care, and better medical care. More females than males are becoming physicians and females are smarter, more tolerant of ambiguity, and are more emphathetic so they will be hurt by the State much more than they could ever be helped by it. Their charity will be a lot better than the State.

Before vaccination, "How many living children do you have?", "Two, five died in childhood and three lost before birth.".

Now, "How are your kids doing?", " Boy's in construction and the girl is taking College courses.".

The Good'ol'days when fifty percent of the population did not live to see forty.

 

[bshole]

Any parent that would deny their child vaccination should be shot.
What an ignorant idea to even question the benefits of vaccine.
You wear your seatbelt so not to be tossed thru the windshield.
You duck when someone swings an axe at your face as to not lose ones head.
You grab your gun when someone is breaking into your house at 3am.
And you wear underwear so your balls won't drag on the cement.
And you vaccinate so your kid won't get some third world disease.
Like polio.
I put those people that question the good of vaccination within the same category as the birthers and climate change deniers.
Simply dumb as rat droppings.

Really dude? You had to go there? Shame on you.

 

[Anarchist420]

Yes, so... this is a genetic thing that started many generations ago from inbreeding? Additionally, are you in a group home or shacked to a wall in your mom's basement?

Biology is "the logic or study of life" or something like that so life choices (attraction for example and all that goes with that) which are heavily influenced by genetics along with human action ... should ... give some idea as to why no one is 100% the same as or 100% different than anyone else.

I am at my parents home. I really hope that I become nothing but ashes before there are any plans for me to reside in a group home or an institution.

Before vaccination, "How many living children do you have?", "Two, five died in childhood and three lost before birth.". Now, "How are your kids doing?", " Boy's in construction and the girl is taking College courses.". The Good'ol'days when fifty percent of the population did not live to see forty.

But the 50% who did survive enjoyed life more without revenue continually going up, without regulations (even if corporatism is needed for national security, national security doesn't create happiness nor does it preserve happiness for more than one generation; it only reduces happiness for many as well as no rational difference in happiness for those who have never been experienced it), threats of being jailed, diabetes, heart disease (both of which were a lot less common 150 years ago) etc., etc. vaccines will work best if left all up to the market so diseases and cancers can be looked at without tax payers having to fund the govt being sued. And like I said, taxing/spending, patents, regs and everything else the State does holds up better alternatives and choice because it tries to give an unnatural monopoly to one thing and by doing so it sends the wrong signals. If every county in the United States became sovereign tonight but were united under the right articles of confederation (articles that were informal, kind, gentle, original, precise, and polite, didnt recognize any U.S.G. legislation, said the counties were to be sovereign over all central govt legislation, recognized that every individual is naturally sovereign, recognized the right of every individual to exit a sovereign within the confederation, could not collect revenue or create any medium of exchange, recognized it could be directly funded only by borrowing gold, and decentralized all its debts based upon population helped by a triennial head count, each county would have to consent to the same as all other counties for any of the listed, limited, and well defined powers to be executed), then 10 years from now things would be a lot better for the people alive then.

But people who don't like freedom and ingenuity could apply for citizenship or 10 year residence to somewhere in the EU or South Africa (or wherever they wished to). Maybe antarctica or the moon could be made liveable, even comfortable for humans. Maybe I could be enslaved in Israel. And remember, violent mob rule ends without a legislated executive. Shays' rebellion happened because the new governor that no one liked mandated that himself and those who supported him be paid back in silver (or at least more paper than everyone had) when they had loaned in paper. The farmers were taxed to pay the rich creditors who had made everything they owned off speculation. the ~90% or so were not only not represented, they were required to pay for themselves turned against. they had just fought against that tyranny. the continental army even ended it and more certainly with less division than the u.s.g. ended the whiskey rebellion. and the u.s.g. paid Shays a pension, but he died poor anyway. the State cannot make inadequate people the king. bush wasn't even that happy as president. i doubt obama would give a flying fuck 4 days from now if the counties took complete sovereignty over themselves tomorrow. i would be worried as hell if ron paul became king. i would always be worried at least as much as i am now if i worked for any State (even if I wanted to live), one reason being that i know that govt buildings and people in them are relatively popular targets (and i dread hillary clinton or any future president/emperor/empress/ruler/leader/manager trying to make them relatively unpopular targets because it could only lead to more ignorance and violence). it simply makes them live longer, shittier lives at the expense of those who could always enjoy life if only they were free of centralization.

Maybe I should take clozapine, but it won't make me functional.

 

[Anarchist420]

I feel like someone should have addressed this already. ALL humans are members of family Hominidae, also known as great apes.

but how do you know that "human" (or even "family Hominidae") is not a man made concept? i mean, looking only at Taxonomy/kingdoms of life ignores what the highest power could've done and obscures what some individuals believe is the case. science alone is not really useful for trying to understand the past. but then trying to understand the past by any method is not really useful.

 

[Iron Woode]

is anarchistidiotboy arguing that its better to get the disease to acquire immunity than to get an immunization injection instead?

the result is the same; you just don't have to suffer with the illness and risk complications like death.

seriously, are people really this stupid?

 

[Paratus]

Really dude? You had to go there? Shame on you.

Well dude climate denial does throw you in with the anti-vaxxers, truthers, moon hoaxers, birthers, homeopaths, and people who talk at the theater.

If you don't like the company don't disregard objective evidence because it makes you feel good and you won't be lumped in with them.

 

[Paratus]

is anarchistidiotboy arguing that its better to get the disease to acquire immunity than to get an immunization injection instead?

the result is the same; you just don't have to suffer with the illness and risk complications like death.

seriously, are people really this stupid?

I think so. Although it may more a diatribe against central government. It's hard to tell where he's going with this.

However he does suffer from mental illness so I'm going cut him some slack and just wish that his condition improves.

 

[MongGrel]

http://debunkingdenialism.com/category/anti-vaccination/

 

[Anarchist420]

is anarchistidiotboy arguing that its better to get the disease to acquire immunity than to get an immunization injection instead?

It can be that way but nothing is 100%. Some would rather have immunizations every time, I am sure. Some may even feel better off with certain ones. It may give some people "peace of mind" which i think is what vax do more than anything else. But no one should be forced to promote it or pay for it. Like I said before, the U.S.G. has promoted preventive medicine since James Madison was president (or maybe it was since the 1830s). If I am not mistaken, preventive medicines were forced on those conquered by the U.S.G. shortly after the Spanish American War. We have had very few new cures vs preventive medicine with a lot more diseases and illnesses in the past 100 years. AIDS can be reversed with the right organ donors (via organ transplant from someone with CCR32 delta 32) and that is perfectly healthy and a lot cheaper than price controlled, bureaucratized (FDA, treaties, trade agreements), trade-restricted, and patented medicines that are mostly "me-too" drugs. Medicine is not the only way to be healthy and the treatment is often worse than the disease.

A lot of that is due to artificial consumables as well as attenuated and/or reverse engineered viruses (some people like to control their own food for a reason).

Vaccines have also killed at least 10 people like when the Gerald Ford admin gave them. the virus it was supposed to prevent never even came at least not anywhere close to the time that the Executive State-engineered vaccinations killed people. Gerald Ford meant well for sure, but most people who could become executives either want to kill people or don't really care. TX governor rick perry forced teenage girls to get a vaccine that few would've gotten otherwise, especially if they were going to be careful. some, maybe even most may not have even been genetically prone to it anyway.

Your logic seems to be that: preventive medicine should be promoted at all costs.

seriously, are people really this stupid?

the only blatantly unintelligent people who have posted into this thread are me and you. you also come across as a super elitist. Canada's public health care system must suck about as bad as the U.S.G.'s warfare and surveillance state if you really have so much blind irrational faith in preventive medicine that you question the intelligence of others.

I want to die right now as the health care system in the u.s. is only going to get worse and taxation (which includes public spending and legal tender) will get even worse. Having even more medical centralization in the u.s. will probably do even more to keep me alive and those who don't want to live (while it will probably injure and maybe even kill people with keen senses).

Let me be clear: some people have severe reactions to needles because of sensitivity to metals and all the other shit that it is in most vaccines. For example, people with red hair and those who have mothers with red hair have autism at a higher rate than others do likely because redheads are hurt more by cold metals (red heads often have severe sensitivity to thermal pain and the monkey shit in some vaccines is frozen or super cold).
Many people with red hair also require more anathesia so that is related to why some people dont want to get vaccinated and they shouldn't be forced to support something especially if they are hurt by it).

 

[Anarchist420]

I think so. Although it may more a diatribe against central government. It's hard to tell where he's going with this. However he does suffer from mental illness so I'm going cut him some slack and just wish that his condition improves.

Everything can be a disorder. I think an accurate abstract explanation of all my problems is psychological: I can't inductively reason. A lot of people w/o a psychiatric diagnosis are out of touch with reality (much more so than I am right now) and can't problem solve. Psychiatry isn't a science. Psychiatrists are 80-99% INT and most of that 80-99% is INTJ. They value a stable income and that is pretty much it. They don't have to do that much hard work once they are out of medical school. They don't even have to deal with boogers, piss, earwax, and farts. At least 1/3 of physicians are NFs meaning they aren't out to make a quick buck and that they are a lot more trustworthy than psychiatrists are.

Thanks for cutting me slack though Paratus

 

[desy]

There really is only one valid argument against vaccinations and that's you are using it as a form of birth control to lower human population.

Which may or may not be true as people used to have large families as infant mortality was high so they had many for the ones they would lose so net result still large families?
Most 1st world countries have declining populations due to that very reason that their kids almost always survive

 

[Sable]

I think an accurate abstract explanation of all my problems is psychological

Yep.

 

[Squeetard]

I can't inductively reason.

Then why start threads like this?

 

[momeNt]

You're welcome to go to polio parties if that's really how you see things.

Well you have to realize that resources aren't infinite. Not everybody can take care of themselves, and rely on the government to pool resources in order to care for those people. The more people you get to a stage of not being able to care for themselves, be it through vaccines not allowing the population to be thinned down, or by healthcare allowing people to live longer but not be productive, the greater the strain on the economy and society.

Maybe Earth can bear a lot more humanity, maybe society can bear a lot more retired. I only am just asking the question.

 

[Anarchist420]

There really is only one valid argument against vaccinations and that's you are using it as a form of birth control to lower human population. Which may or may not be true as people used to have large families as infant mortality was high so they had many for the ones they would lose so net result still large families? Most 1st world countries have declining populations due to that very reason that their kids almost always survive

I believe that bill gates promotes vax to depopulate the planet. But then flu shots are already partly out of date when you get them, nothing is free, and they disallow building up of natural immunity. They may prevent you from calling in sick, but they are totally not worthit to me (last time I got the flu shot about 6 years ago or so, I got the flu about 5 weeks later and I haven't had the flu since).

and I can imagine that maybe the 4 or so vaccines some with mercury in them that I got one right after another at like 3 or 4 weeks, may be responsible for some of my problems. my mom usually trusts huge concentrations of power (you know she's not smart because she claims to know that she's going to heaven just because she has never committed any "mortal sins"; she does not question the Roman Church) and the rules they dictate to society and so she couldn't think independently enough so she wasted my dad's money. we fell for that vax shit bait switch and tackle (even if I had died, I couldn't have known the difference and the probability of disability or worse looks from existing viruses since i have been alive has been very low). i don't see how a tiny baby less than 3.5 years old could benefit from having any mercury put in them all at one time via needles. and one of my good counselors at a good home i used to live in for autism people had a younger brother who was like 4 years old, had a vaccine one afternoon, and woke up mute the next day (he couldn't talk ever again). he is black too (as are many people Bill Gates is targeting for vax). maybe Stewox could back me up.

On the other hand, it may have been all the prenatal T that I got which is responsible for the extreme male brains in my mom, all 4 of her siblings, her mother, and both of my 2 brothers (one is ISTJ, the other is INTJ, my dad is INFJ, I am XSTJ and my mom is ISTJ). TPs are moderately male brains while F types are female brains with the FP type possibly the extreme female one and the FJ one seeming more moderately female to me (due to Fi being independent feeling and because FJs would be less common in the State of Nature; that is, FJ's feeling is shaped by society; Fi was probably the first female and Te the alpha male). My mom is even more wasteful of bandwidth, intolerant and totally afraid of any ambiguity when she does use the computer than i am. most observant people and all those with inductive reasoning aptitude who have seen me and my mom together understand the following explanation of why the State is evil, not smart, and possibly stupid:
1. that poor fluid reasoning runs in my mtDNA because everyone with my mtDNA has a very low cephalic index (my father and my mom's dad have/had very high cephalic indices).
2. that high crystallized intelligence (Gc) doesnt really matter when your fluid ability (Gf) isn't also high.
3. that the State can't make people with low Gf and high Gc appreciate itself for very long
4. #3 explains why the State has centralized education and the media so much... it is trying to make itself look good when it is pure evil and not smart possibly stupid; maybe the natural employment rate is only 2/5, but the natural savings and private charity rate is a lot higher
5. ISIS and Al-qaida is result of U.S.G intervention.
6. abolition of the legislature and judiciary followed by Stalin-style monarcho-isolationism is going to come here. i mean, once the u.s.g. is forced to pull out of the rest of the world, then it will turn its arms of oppression completely against its own people. and people will be forced to fight each other to not be tortured or worse.

Anyway, PDD-NOS was suggested in the discharge report/diagnosis of tourette's in 94. I was officially diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in '01, but I never really agreed with that. I was always more LFA.

Anyway, it's a good thing I may not create any more threads. It's a good thing because I am off the wall and even more annoying later in the day.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Vaccinations are good

They work

They save many lives and reduce diseases


Those are the facts, backed up by many decades of people who are not dead from smallpox, mumps, and other diseases.

Giant wall of text filled with the rantings of a paranoid person ... not so much

 

[SMOGZINN]

I think an accurate abstract explanation of all my problems is psychological: I can't inductively reason.

Then you should just assume that you are wrong about most things. With out the ability to inductively reason you have no real way to determine truth from falsehood. So, knowing that you are probably wrong about most things, why do you form such strong opinions that are opposed to what most people believe?

A lot of people w/o a psychiatric diagnosis are out of touch with reality (much more so than I am right now) and can't problem solve.

I doubt it. You just confessed an inability to determine fantasy from reality.

Psychiatry isn't a science.

Yes it is. They issue fancy degrees that say Science and all.

Psychiatrists are 80-99% INT and most of that 80-99% is INTJ.

The Myers-Briggs personality test is what is not science, at least not anymore. Almost all current research says that is have a very low correlation to anything. It is much more akin to a horoscope then a real scientific tool.

At least 1/3 of physicians are NFs meaning they aren't out to make a quick buck and that they are a lot more trustworthy than psychiatrists are.

Well, even if we forgive the statistics that you dubiously sourced from your posterior region, most psychiatrists are not the 'sit in an office and listen to depressed housewives type'. Most are the 'work in the VA and deal with soldiers with PTSD for a modest income compared to other doctors' variety.

 

[theeedude]

I am for a centralized 4 week vacation policy

 

[Anarchist420]

Then you should just assume that you are wrong about most things. With out the ability to inductively reason you have no real way to determine truth from falsehood. So, knowing that you are probably wrong about most things, why do you form such strong opinions that are opposed to what most people believe?

i have such strong opinions because i have a tiny dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and a lot of knowledge. i have noticed all the psychiatrists i have been to can't inductively reason that well... they are in the box thinkers. so why should they be in positions of power to influence others (i dont want to be a dick and i am sorry if came across that way)?

and i don't even want to live. i realize how dependent i am on others, how i waste too much, that i will never be a net producer, and that i need sooner to be granted physician assisted suicide so there will be less unhappiness in the world if not much more happiness outright. i am quite unlike many psychiatrists as well many other people (e.g., those who supported the jailing of jack kevorkian, threatening those who would do what he did or even knew about it but thought it was okay even if they were taxed to pay for it and those who continue to make assisted suicide as difficult to obtain as possible) who also can't inductively reason.

Best of luck to you or best regards from me to you if you don't believe in luck.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Pretty awsome but you have to judge who this is created against.

Who are the people who create these anti viral agents.

When they are finally tested on humans who then are the first humans and what race are they?

There is growing concern that when an agent is created lets just say for evil purposes an anti viral gent is created but the guinea pigs are all german people.

Then only germans and other europeans will benefit the most from these anti viral shots.

If the people from the onset tested with a new drug are all black people then black people will benefit from these anti virals.

Now if you test a person who is a mix of many races then those races in her DNa will benefit the most.


You may cry BS but over long term trials done in this fashion then you will see more death rates of one group over another.

Just common sense.

Are you the brother Anarchist420 doesn`t know about??

 

[desy]

I'm interested in the Myers-Briggs personality test claim that it isn't valid
I had found mine to be very accurate and my wifes as well but not as strong as my profile
Can you link?

 

[SMOGZINN]

I'm interested in the Myers-Briggs personality test claim that it isn't valid
I had found mine to be very accurate and my wifes as well but not as strong as my profile
Can you link?

"Learning styles and pedagogy in post-16 learning: A systematic and critical review" PDF
"Measuring the MBTI...And Coming Up Short."PDF
"The MBTI is a flawed measure of personality"

I can easily keep going, there are decades of studies showing how little use that test is. One major problem with it is that it fails the 'Test-Retest' standard. If the same person is given a test like this we would expect that they get the same results over a fairly long period of time, but if you take the MBTI again after a few weeks the odds are even that you will get a different result.

If you read horoscopes they often seem to be accurate as well, but we can agree that they are not real right?

 

[poofyhairguy]

i realize how dependent i am on others, how i waste too much, that i will never be a net producer,

I think you are being a little hard on yourself. You seem disconnected from any roots. Have you considered outdoor careers like farming and ranching?

 

[Anarchist420]

"Learning styles and pedagogy in post-16 learning: A systematic and critical review" PDF "Measuring the MBTI...And Coming Up Short."PDF "The MBTI is a flawed measure of personality" I can easily keep going, there are decades of studies showing how little use that test is. One major problem with it is that it fails the 'Test-Retest' standard. If the same person is given a test like this we would expect that they get the same results over a fairly long period of time, but if you take the MBTI again after a few weeks the odds are even that you will get a different result. If you read horoscopes they often seem to be accurate as well, but we can agree that they are not real right?

A few individuals can skew results but tests are irrational agents, so they can't fail anything.

Also, test-retest results may vary but only be a letter or two different; the first letter doesn't affect approach to the outside world (and is also dependent on other people especially in relation to guardian types as they are the most easily influenced or even controlled by the other 3 temperments), everyone usually gets it right the second time, some people may not understand the questions, some may not really care until the 2nd time, no one's mind is 100% stable all the time (mostly due to genetics, but some due to environment), they may not want to answer truthfully, or any number of other reasons I could never think of.

Also, Keirsey and son pretty much verified MBTI with the 4 [sic] temperments [/sic].

Zodiac signs (i am assuming that horoscopes and astrology are related to each other and to zodiac signs) don't make much sense to me, but maybe the person who started astrology abandoned it or even came out against it. Perhaps it was built on by more people who tried to replace the original theory. Do we even know who invented the first horoscope, the first individual to study astrology, or who started zodiac signs; when they were invented; what about an explanation for why they were started? I mean, horoscopes aren't known by their creators' names but I hope MBTI will never be obscured by the State. The MBTI could be considered treason if/when legislation and judicial powers are formally transferred to an imperial executive or a supreme monarcho-isolationist.

OTOH I am nearly 100% sure that Isabel Myers and Katherine Briggs never really abandoned what they made and it was an extrapolation of another theory anyway. I don't think they would lie or be dishonest, and the fact that Isabel Myers self-identified as a perceiver (I don't know what her mother's MBTI type was) may have something to do with them being okay with 3/4 accuracy rather than acquiring universal truth(s) out of it.

I might read what you linked to though. Thank you SMOGZINN

I think you are being a little hard on yourself. You seem disconnected from any roots. Have you considered outdoor careers like farming and ranching?

thank you poofyhairguy
but no one wants to orally consume something that a swarthy idiot like me has been handling. If a woman with mtDNA superhg U and O negative blood type (or if a woman with mtDNA superhg U whose biological mother has O negative blood type) wants me to impregnate herself ... and ... if I am ever convinced enough that she and I are the biological parents of the same child, then I will consider farming and ranching. But those are two very big ifs.