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How is Bush resposible for this?

Gand1

Golden Member
I finally have to rant on this one. When things happen in the world and anti-Bush people vent and bring it to our attention on this forum, and it happens to be about his administration or the policies, you people say it's Bush's fault. The pro Bush people retort with Bush himself did not do it so how can it be his fault.

That is the most rediculous statement to be made! 🙁 It's his freakin administration and even if he (Bush) did not specifically say "You, take a #2 in 33.5 minutes" it's his staff, it's his policies, right now it's his government and yes damnit....

It's his fault!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: Gand1
I finally have to rant on this one. When things happen in the world and anti-Bush people vent and bring it to our attention on this forum, and it happens to be about his administration or the policies, you people say it's Bush's fault. The pro Bush people retort with Bush himself did not do it so how can it be his fault.

That is the most rediculous statement to be made! 🙁 It's his freakin administration and even if he (Bush) did not specifically say "You, take a #2 in 33.5 minutes" it's his staff, it's his policies, right now it's his government and yes damnit....

It's his fault!!!!!!!


Then by that reasoning it is Chirac's fault and responsibility that >10,000 people died in France due to the heat.
 
Well it's obvious that everything bad in the world is Bush's fault. Somebody ran over your dog? It was Bush. A dingo ate your baby? Bush sent that dingo.
 
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Gand1
I finally have to rant on this one. When things happen in the world and anti-Bush people vent and bring it to our attention on this forum, and it happens to be about his administration or the policies, you people say it's Bush's fault. The pro Bush people retort with Bush himself did not do it so how can it be his fault.

That is the most rediculous statement to be made! 🙁 It's his freakin administration and even if he (Bush) did not specifically say "You, take a #2 in 33.5 minutes" it's his staff, it's his policies, right now it's his government and yes damnit....

It's his fault!!!!!!!


Then by that reasoning it is Chirac's fault and responsibility that >10,000 people died in France due to the heat.


Welcome to the world of critical reasoning, sir, but our type of reasoning only applies to positions that coincide with the liberal ideologues. Otherwise, all reasoning is off the table.

Let?s recap:

People on here like to remind us of the 6000+ dead Iraqis who defended a brutal dictator; write that down. People like to talk about the ?crimes against humanity? Bush is committing because 273 America soldiers were killed in Iraq in support of an illegal war; write that down. Now, aggregate the total loss of life resulting in the restoration of freedom in Iraq, and you would still fall very short of reaching the death toll in France that occurred while Chirac was on vacation. Puts things in perspective, no?


 
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

People on here like to remind us of the 6000+ dead Iraqis who defended a brutal dictator; write that down. People like to talk about the ?crimes against humanity? Bush is committing because 273 America soldiers were killed in Iraq in support of an illegal war; write that down. Now, aggregate the total loss of life resulting in the restoration of freedom in Iraq, and you would still fall very short of reaching the death toll in France that occurred while Chirac was on vacation. Puts things in perspective, no?

I think they like to remind you of the several thousand innocent civilians we killed. I don't think anybody gives two sh!ts about the people we killed who were defending Saddam.
 
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Well it's obvious that everything bad in the world is Bush's fault. Somebody ran over your dog? It was Bush. A dingo ate your baby? Bush sent that dingo.

Seeing as how Bush is the Antichrist and the Antichrist is Lucifer's representative in this world, Lucifer being the source of all evil, I'd say yes.
 
Welcome to the world of critical reasoning, sir, but our type of reasoning only applies to positions that coincide with the liberal ideologues. Otherwise, all reasoning is off the table.

Let?s recap:

People on here like to remind us of the 6000+ dead Iraqis who defended a brutal dictator; write that down. People like to talk about the ?crimes against humanity? Bush is committing because 273 America soldiers were killed in Iraq in support of an illegal war; write that down. Now, aggregate the total loss of life resulting in the restoration of freedom in Iraq, and you would still fall very short of reaching the death toll in France that occurred while Chirac was on vacation. Puts things in perspective, no?

And I want to remind you again, that Bush directly order the invasion and the killing of 6000+ civilian AND MUCH MORE UNACCOUNTED FOR IRAQI MILITARY. Oh and I know this is getting old, but he also lied to his people in State of the Union address and wasted 100s of billions of tax payer's money on a war that is based on hyped intelligence by him and his staff.

Now did Chirac ordered the temperature to go to 100F? Did he lied to his people that the temperature is only 70F when it is actually 100F? You can at best accuse him of not being the cheerleader the French need him to be during the crisis, what else can you accuse him of? Is is he the weather expert that can tell people what the temperature gonna be? Is he the health expert who can tell people what to do?

Don't talk about other's critical reasonning skill when you can't differentiate between direct and indirect cause and effect.
 
Originally posted by: rchiu
Welcome to the world of critical reasoning, sir, but our type of reasoning only applies to positions that coincide with the liberal ideologues. Otherwise, all reasoning is off the table.

Let?s recap:

People on here like to remind us of the 6000+ dead Iraqis who defended a brutal dictator; write that down. People like to talk about the ?crimes against humanity? Bush is committing because 273 America soldiers were killed in Iraq in support of an illegal war; write that down. Now, aggregate the total loss of life resulting in the restoration of freedom in Iraq, and you would still fall very short of reaching the death toll in France that occurred while Chirac was on vacation. Puts things in perspective, no?

And I want to remind you again, that Bush directly order the invasion and the killing of 6000+ civilian AND MUCH MORE UNACCOUNTED FOR IRAQI MILITARY.

I don't recall Bush ever ordering our military to kill 6000+ civilians. He did order the invasion but he didn't tell our troops to go out and kill some Iraqi civilians. About the "unaccounted for Iraqi military," you do realize in a war that it's our military against theirs right? Naturally military on both sides will be killed. I'm not so sure I'd be defending the Iraqi military anyhow. The majority just surrendered. The ones that stayed supported and defended a brutal dictator.
 
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
This is the root cause, sir

Because Bush is a hypocrite? You're right! 🙂

No it is because he has no argument. When Bush campaigned for his presidency he told the public that "The Buck Stops Here". So if the "buck" does not stop with Bush then who does stop for ? If you go back to Bush's debates with Gore you will see that Bush has not kept any of his promises. In fact his actions lean more towards liberal foreign affairs ideology of policing the world which is also a neo-con ideology. Of course neo-con's were all liberals at one point in time so it figures. Unfortunately they have also successfully hi-jacked the GOP party for their own schemes and there doesn't seem to be a lot of large scale resistance to say the least. To quote a article about neo-con's posted here day or so ago, "The Era of Big-Government Conservativism Is Here" or as I like to call it a angry liberal in GOP clothing.


http://www.libertyvault.com/gwb.html
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
This is the root cause, sir

Because Bush is a hypocrite? You're right! 🙂

No it is because he has no argument. When Bush campaigned for his presidency he told the public that "The Buck Stops Here". So if the "buck" does not stop with Bush then who does stop for ? If you go back to Bush's debates with Gore you will see that Bush has not kept any of his promises. In fact his actions lean more towards liberal foreign affairs ideology of policing the world which is also a neo-con ideology. Of course neo-con's were all liberals at one point in time so it figures. Unfortunately they have also successfully hi-jacked the GOP party for their own schemes and there doesn't seem to be a lot of large scale resistance to say the least. To quote a article about neo-con's posted here day or so ago, "The Era of Big-Government Conservativism Is Here" or as I like to call it a angry liberal in GOP clothing.


http://www.libertyvault.com/gwb.html


uh....... the last time I checked the definition of hypocrisy was saying one thing and doing another. Isn't that what you just described? How are we in disagreement?
 
Originally posted by: rchiu
Welcome to the world of critical reasoning, sir, but our type of reasoning only applies to positions that coincide with the liberal ideologues. Otherwise, all reasoning is off the table.

Let?s recap:

People on here like to remind us of the 6000+ dead Iraqis who defended a brutal dictator; write that down. People like to talk about the ?crimes against humanity? Bush is committing because 273 America soldiers were killed in Iraq in support of an illegal war; write that down. Now, aggregate the total loss of life resulting in the restoration of freedom in Iraq, and you would still fall very short of reaching the death toll in France that occurred while Chirac was on vacation. Puts things in perspective, no?

And I want to remind you again, that Bush directly order the invasion and the killing of 6000+ civilian AND MUCH MORE UNACCOUNTED FOR IRAQI MILITARY. Oh and I know this is getting old, but he also lied to his people in State of the Union address and wasted 100s of billions of tax payer's money on a war that is based on hyped intelligence by him and his staff.

Now did Chirac ordered the temperature to go to 100F? Did he lied to his people that the temperature is only 70F when it is actually 100F? You can at best accuse him of not being the cheerleader the French need him to be during the crisis, what else can you accuse him of? Is is he the weather expert that can tell people what the temperature gonna be? Is he the health expert who can tell people what to do?

Don't talk about other's critical reasonning skill when you can't differentiate between direct and indirect cause and effect.

Did Bush put Saddam into power? Did Bush cause Saddam to kill hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen? Did Bush cause Saddam to develope chemical, biological and have a nuclear weapons program? Did Bush continue the status quo which was hurting the entire Middle East? No, he did something about it.

Cause and effect. Something had to be done, Pres. Bush and his administration did it instead of letting the situation continue to fester and grow worse.

 
I don't recall Bush ever ordering our military to kill 6000+ civilians. He did order the invasion but he didn't tell our troops to go out and kill some Iraqi civilians. About the "unaccounted for Iraqi military," you do realize in a war that it's our military against theirs right? Naturally military on both sides will be killed. I'm not so sure I'd be defending the Iraqi military anyhow. The majority just surrendered. The ones that stayed supported and defended a brutal dictator.

eh...? Ordered the invasion and didn't tell our troops to kill some Iraqi civilian? What do you expect the US military to do? Talk Iraqis into submission? geezz....

And yeah when you are defending your country from invasion, killing enemy soldiers are self defense. But when you are invading a country without justification, killing enemy soldiers are murdering those who defend their country. You may think Saddam is a brutal dictator, but Iraqi may not agree with you. Even if he is, it is up to Iraqis to do something about it. Who gives you and the American government the right to judge and remove governments of sovereign nations?
 
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
We just pulled your membership to "The world of critical reasoning." Good-bye, sir, you are the weakest link.

Yeap, can't debate with facts and resort to name calling...what else do we expect.
 
Who gives you and the American government the right to judge and remove governments of sovereign nations?

Saddam breaking the cease-fire agreement he signed to end the Gulf War.


You know what is strange to me. Arabs bitch and complain about the treatment of Palestinians. They go to war and give them money and weapons. Saddam in Iraq was killing more and torturing far more Arabs than what has gone on in the I/P dispute but you don't see Arabs doing anything or wanting anyone to do anything about him.
 
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
This is the root cause, sir

Because Bush is a hypocrite? You're right! 🙂

No it is because he has no argument. When Bush campaigned for his presidency he told the public that "The Buck Stops Here". So if the "buck" does not stop with Bush then who does stop for ? If you go back to Bush's debates with Gore you will see that Bush has not kept any of his promises. In fact his actions lean more towards liberal foreign affairs ideology of policing the world which is also a neo-con ideology. Of course neo-con's were all liberals at one point in time so it figures. Unfortunately they have also successfully hi-jacked the GOP party for their own schemes and there doesn't seem to be a lot of large scale resistance to say the least. To quote a article about neo-con's posted here day or so ago, "The Era of Big-Government Conservativism Is Here" or as I like to call it a angry liberal in GOP clothing.


http://www.libertyvault.com/gwb.html


uh....... the last time I checked the definition of hypocrisy was saying one thing and doing another. Isn't that what you just described? How are we in disagreement?



We're not. Just adding a few minor points/detials to the arguement or lack there of from JG.
 
Did Bush put Saddam into power? Did Bush cause Saddam to kill hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen? Did Bush cause Saddam to develope chemical, biological and have a nuclear weapons program? Did Bush continue the status quo which was hurting the entire Middle East? No, he did something about it.

Cause and effect. Something had to be done, Pres. Bush and his administration did it instead of letting the situation continue to fester and grow worse.

What situation? You mean Saddam had WMD? Saddam haboring terrorist? Any proof of those claims 4 or 5 month after the war?

And yeah Bush and his admin sure did something and look at Iraq now, no electricity, water, gas, food, and jobs. Daily attacks on American and international presence. Iraqi got a government of exiles who haven't been in the countries for last 20 years, national resources controlled by American doing whatever they want without third party watching, invasion to their home, curfew, arrests without trials in the name of hunting for Saddam loyalist and supporter. Hey, who cares, you are not the ones suffering right?
 
Bush soiled America's underwear by leading us down the path of preemptive war based on lies. Iraq was not an immediate threat. He had ulterior motives he choose to hide and killed our soldiers in a con job. He should be impeached and tried in the world court.
 
Originally posted by: etech
Who gives you and the American government the right to judge and remove governments of sovereign nations?

Saddam breaking the cease-fire agreement he signed to end the Gulf War.


You know what is strange to me. Arabs bitch and complain about the treatment of Palestinians. They go to war and give them money and weapons. Saddam in Iraq was killing more and torturing far more Arabs than what has gone on in the I/P dispute but you don't see Arabs doing anything or wanting anyone to do anything about him.

Who determines if cease-fire is broke and who decide what actions to take? You or the UN? What the heck is UN for when any country can take something agreed by UN and interpret anyway they want and decide what action to take?
 
Originally posted by: rchiu
Did Bush put Saddam into power? Did Bush cause Saddam to kill hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen? Did Bush cause Saddam to develope chemical, biological and have a nuclear weapons program? Did Bush continue the status quo which was hurting the entire Middle East? No, he did something about it.

Cause and effect. Something had to be done, Pres. Bush and his administration did it instead of letting the situation continue to fester and grow worse.

What situation? You mean Saddam had WMD? Saddam haboring terrorist? Any proof of those claims 4 or 5 month after the war?

And yeah Bush and his admin sure did something and look at Iraq now, no electricity, water, gas, food, and jobs. Daily attacks on American and international presence. Iraqi got a government of exiles who haven't been in the countries for last 20 years, national resources controlled by American doing whatever they want without third party watching, invasion to their home, curfew, arrests without trials in the name of hunting for Saddam loyalist and supporter. Hey, who cares, you are not the ones suffering right?

Really, no electricity at all in Iraq, prove it.

No water at all in Iraq, prove it.

No gas, food, jobs , prove it.

The attacks are not nation wide and seem to be foreigners and rements of Saddam's regime for the most part.

As for the rest, the situation is better than it was under Saddam and will continue to improve if people will stop spreading lies and hate both in and out of Iraq.

There are problems to be sure in Iraq. The people there have been brutilized under Saddam rule for mnay years. There are forces in the Arab world that believe that the US is the Great Satan and will go to Iraq to continue to perpetrate hate and violence in the name of their religion. But all of the news is not bad even though you want it to be.
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IWANIYA, Iraq, Aug. 19 ? As the area around Baghdad endured a week of repeated violence, a happier scene unfolded in this city, a two-hour drive to the south.

American soldiers, without helmets or flak jackets, attended graduation ceremonies of the Diwaniya University Medical School. At ease with the Iraqi students and their parents, the American marines laughed, joked and posed in photographs. One by one, the students walked up to thank them, for Marine doctors had taught classes in surgery and gynecology and helped draw up the final exams.

"We like the Americans very much here," said Zainab Khaledy, 22, who received her medical degree last Sunday. "We feel better than under the old regime. We have problems, like security, but everything is getting better."

Such is the dual reality that is coming to define the American enterprise in Iraq, a country increasingly divided between those willing to put up with the American occupation and those determined to fight it. While the areas stretching west and north from Baghdad roil and burn, much of the rest of the country remains, most of the time, remarkably calm. Rather than fight the Americans, most Iraqis appear to be readily accepting the benefits of a wide-ranging reconstruction.

The two faces of the occupation give American policy makers both something to take solace in and something to worry over. Four months into the occupation, the rebellion against American forces, though fierce, is still largely limited to the Arab Sunni Muslim population and its foreign supporters and is confined to a relatively limited geographic area.

In much of the rest of the country, in places like Diwaniya and Mosel and Amara, the American and British soldiers are finding a population that has, at least for now, made a fragile and tentative peace with the occupation. Violence still does break out. [On Saturday, three British soldiers were killed in the south, in Basra. Page 12.]

But increasingly in broad parts of the country violence no longer seems the norm.

..."




Chaos and Calm Are Dual Iraq Realities
 
Really, no electricity at all in Iraq, prove it.

No water at all in Iraq, prove it.

No gas, food, jobs , prove it.

The attacks are not nation wide and seem to be foreigners and rements of Saddam's regime for the most part.

As for the rest, the situation is better than it was under Saddam and will continue to improve if people will stop spreading lies and hate both in and out of Iraq.

Do you own reading and compare what Iraqis have compare to before US invasion. Give me one thing Iraqis have more now then before the invasion.

Iraq now has become a "magnet of foreign terrorist", and whose fault is that? And who is gonna suffer when there is daily attack on their infrastructure? Did that happen when Saddam was in power?

People with automatic weapons barging in houses and arresting people, and keep basic needs unavailable to people spreads hate much faster than anybody.
 
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