Question How in the world has AMD got the Ryzen 7600X and 7700X priced same when they are inferior even in P cores only compared to 13600K and 13700K

Wolverine2349

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I mean the Ryzen 7700X is an 8 core CPU and Ryzen 7600X is a 6 core CPU. And the 7700X is $399 and 7600X is $299.

Intel has the Core i7 13700K priced at $399 and Core i5 13600K priced at $399. And those CPUs have better P cores being 8 and 6 core counterparts with slightly better IPC than Zen 4 and can clock as high or higher with similar power usage. And for those who do not like e-cores (I am one of them, but I love Intel P cores) can disable them and you get better 6 and 8 core CPUs form Intel Raptor Lake than AMD Ryzen. And for those who want e-cores you get then as well for the same price and better P cores of equal core counts.

SO what is AMD thinking and they still have not budged on the prices of the 7600X and 7700X. They are pricing the like their 6 and 8 Zen 4 cores are better than Intel's Raptor Cove cores of equal count even though they are not any better and in fact not as good?? Or is that debatable??

The Ryzen 7900X and 7950X prices make more sense as then you get more than 8 strong cores and AMD has those by the balls who want more than 8 cores and do nit want to go hybrid route. SO yeah 7900X and 7950X prices make sense.

But 7600X and 7700X are almost a ripoff unless you just have not have AMD as they do nothing better than 13600K and 13700K for exact same price and have slightly weaker P cores and no additional e-cores for those that like the e-core options (And for those that do not it is easy peasy to disable and you get the better 6 and 8 core chips for the same price)

Its puzzling to me AMD is behaving as if they are still superior in all ways like they were with Ryzen 5000 from November 2020 to November 2021 when Intel was of no competition on core count nor per core IPC performance which was only for 1 year. I mean AMD is still much smaller and was underdog for years and hard to believe they think they can act they are premium brand in the 6 and 8 core CPU segment when the 7600X and 7700X are worse than Intel counterparts even with the e-cores off.

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biostud

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AMD has a better platform in regards of future upgrades
AMD has better performance/watt
E-cores, sure if you do lots of MT work, but many of us really don't care, as we have no need for them.
AVX512 if you're into that kind of work

Since I'm waiting for the 7800XT I might as well wait for 7800X3D

Also haven't they just slashed the prices?
 

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I mean the Ryzen 7700X is an 8 core CPU and Ryzen 7600X is a 6 core CPU. And the 7700X is $399 and 7600X is $299.

Intel has the Core i7 13700K priced at $399 and Core i5 13600K priced at $399. And those CPUs have better P cores being 8 and 6 core counterparts with slightly better IPC than Zen 4 and can clock as high or higher with similar power usage. And for those who do not like e-cores (I am one of them, but I love Intel P cores) can disable them and you get better 6 and 8 core CPUs form Intel Raptor Lake than AMD Ryzen. And for those who want e-cores you get then as well for the same price and better P cores of equal core counts.

SO what is AMD thinking and they still have not budged on the prices of the 7600X and 7700X. They are pricing the like their 6 and 8 Zen 4 cores are better than Intel's Raptor Cove cores of equal count even though they are not any better and in fact not as good?? Or is that debatable??

The Ryzen 7900X and 7950X prices make more sense as then you get more than 8 strong cores and AMD has those by the balls who want more than 8 cores and do nit want to go hybrid route. SO yeah 7900X and 7950X prices make sense.

But 7600X and 7700X are almost a ripoff unless you just have not have AMD as they do nothing better than 13600K and 13700K for exact same price and have slightly weaker P cores and no additional e-cores for those that like the e-core options (And for those that do not it is easy peasy to disable and you get the better 6 and 8 core chips for the same price)

Its puzzling to me AMD is behaving as if they are still superior in all ways like they were with Ryzen 5000 from November 2020 to November 2021 when Intel was of no competition on core count nor per core IPC performance which was only for 1 year. I mean AMD is still much smaller and was underdog for years and hard to believe they think they can act they are premium brand in the 6 and 8 core CPU segment when the 7600X and 7700X are worse than Intel counterparts even with the e-cores off.

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My thought is that it s a trollish thread from the start, according to Computerbase 7700X has slightly better perf/clock against 8 Intel P cores when it comes to apps...

 

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I mean the Ryzen 7700X is an 8 core CPU and Ryzen 7600X is a 6 core CPU. And the 7700X is $399 and 7600X is $299.

Intel has the Core i7 13700K priced at $399 and Core i5 13600K priced at $399. And those CPUs have better P cores being 8 and 6 core counterparts with slightly better IPC than Zen 4 and can clock as high or higher with similar power usage. And for those who do not like e-cores (I am one of them, but I love Intel P cores) can disable them and you get better 6 and 8 core CPUs form Intel Raptor Lake than AMD Ryzen. And for those who want e-cores you get then as well for the same price and better P cores of equal core counts.

SO what is AMD thinking and they still have not budged on the prices of the 7600X and 7700X. They are pricing the like their 6 and 8 Zen 4 cores are better than Intel's Raptor Cove cores of equal count even though they are not any better and in fact not as good?? Or is that debatable??

The Ryzen 7900X and 7950X prices make more sense as then you get more than 8 strong cores and AMD has those by the balls who want more than 8 cores and do nit want to go hybrid route. SO yeah 7900X and 7950X prices make sense.

But 7600X and 7700X are almost a ripoff unless you just have not have AMD as they do nothing better than 13600K and 13700K for exact same price and have slightly weaker P cores and no additional e-cores for those that like the e-core options (And for those that do not it is easy peasy to disable and you get the better 6 and 8 core chips for the same price)

Its puzzling to me AMD is behaving as if they are still superior in all ways like they were with Ryzen 5000 from November 2020 to November 2021 when Intel was of no competition on core count nor per core IPC performance which was only for 1 year. I mean AMD is still much smaller and was underdog for years and hard to believe they think they can act they are premium brand in the 6 and 8 core CPU segment when the 7600X and 7700X are worse than Intel counterparts even with the e-cores off.

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Your entitlement is truly off the charts crazy.
 

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There was also massive overproduction of silicon in general over the last few years. This is going on at the same time there is huge inflation. The same reason Nvidia doesn't feel too pressured to lower prices on RTX 40 GPUs, they have a lot RTX30 oversupply to sell, and also inflation from the last couple of years means they aren't feeling too charitable about discounting prices on said RTX 30 oversupply.
 

biostud

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What's your issue, exactly?

AMD is free to price their product as they wish. You want AM5 and not willing to pay the current price? Wait for a sale. Already have Intel? Then why care what AMD does? Will you also make a thread about Apple and Nvidia's exorbitant pricing?
Yeah felt like somebody either needed some venting or just wanted to start a heated debate.
 

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I have no issues just wondered why that is. AMD can price how they want, but it almost seems they were or are shoting themselves in the foot at least for those who want only 6 or 8 cores and Intel is clearly the better choice as disable the e-cores and you get the as good or better 6 and 8 core CPUs for very close in price.

Now for those wanting more than 8 cores AMD is better as AMD does have more than 8 good cores where Intel ahs the weaker e-cores and the BIG.Little for those not a fan.
 
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<how dare you use facts is such a thread> I was trying to find some good CPU deals for Black Friday, and only one playing game is AMD. I wanted to use some old DDR4 memory and Intel just isn't in a merry holiday mood.

I want to spend under $200 for CPU and motherboard use my stash of DDR4 to give live to a good build. Want to use same case, psu just swap out cpu, and motherboard but no dice not happening, don't want a 4 core. Wanted to sample a side of E-cores over the Holidays. Have a DDR4 32gb memory just crying for more uses.

R81Z3N1
 

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I have no issues just wondered why that is. AMD can price how they want, but it almost seems they were or are shoting themselves in the foot at least for those who want only 6 or 8 cores and Intel is clearly the better choice as disable the e-cores and you get the as good or better 6 and 8 core CPUs for very close in price.

Now for those wanting more than 8 cores AMD is better as AMD does have more than 8 good cores where Intel ahs the weaker e-cores and the BIG.Little for those not a fan.
I won't argue that in some tasks, only 6 or 8 P-cores might be faster, but they use more power, create more heat and require more cooling. Yes, you can set PL1 and PL2 down, or other downclocking methods, but then AMD is faster. And you can save even more power on AMD by using core optimizer.

So unless you get power for free and air conditioning free, Intel is NOT better IMO, even in 6 or 8 P-cores. Oh, and NO AVX-512 for Intel, and sometimes that DOES help. (yes not that often)
 
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I won't argue that in some tasks, only 6 or 8 P-cores might be faster, but they use more power, create more heat and require more cooling. Yes, you can set PL1 and PL2 down, or other downclocking methods, but then AMD is faster. And you can save even more power on AMD by using core optimizer.

So unless you get power for free and air conditioning free, Intel is NOT better IMO, even in 6 or 8 P-cores. Oh, and NO AVX-512 for Intel, and sometimes that DOES help. (yes not that often)

Are there any tasks besides AVX512 where Zen 4 equal core count at same al core clock runs faster than Raptor Lake with e-cores off?? Of course Intel does use more power, but Zen 4 is harder to cool and runs hotter relative to its power due to TSMC process node density so a wash there.

Now more than 8 cores AMD all the way as the e-cores not a fan of them.
 
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Are there any tasks besides AVX512 where Zen 4 equal core count at same al core clock runs faster than Raptor Lake with e-cores off??
8 P cores@253W have 1% better perf than a stock 7700X, at same 125W power the 7700X is faster by 8%, actually 8 P cores@125W are only 2% faster than a 7700X@65W, so you better edit your OP because it s plain lie to promote some agenda...

 

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Are there any tasks besides AVX512 where Zen 4 equal core count at same al core clock runs faster than Raptor Lake with e-cores off?? Of course Intek does use more power, but Zen 4 is harder to cool and runs hotter relative to its power so a wash there.

Now more than 8 cores AMD all the way as the e-cores not a fan of them,
Zen 4 is harder to cool ? You have to be kidding me. I have 2, one with a air cooler, dark rock pro 4. At stock it did just like all the benchmarks. I set it to 142 watt, like the 5950x and its WAY faster than a 5950x, and runs even cooler, and only loses a little performance. Oh, and I have it set to 85c max, so it cooler than Intel also.

As far a s speed, see ABwx's post above mine.
 

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Prices current ä newegg

Ryzen 9 7950X $573.99
Ryzen 9 7900X $473.99
Ryzen 7 7700X $348.99
Ryzen 5 7600X $248.99
Quoted for emphasis

The narrative of the OP falls completely apart at current pricing.

And it is straight up trolling to not factor in AM5 being the only future proofed platform you can buy, when doing a value analysis.
 

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Quoted for emphasis

The narrative of the OP falls completely apart at current pricing.

And it is straight up trolling to not factor in AM5 being the only future proofed platform you can buy, when doing a value analysis.
The 7950x has a $20 off with a promo code they GIVE you, so $554
 

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What a silly little thread 😂

I don't even know were to start, but basically, everything you said is either wrong, out of date or has a very shallow understanding of how AMD and Intel platforms work or what mindshare is.

Reads like trolling TBH

Glad some already adressed some of that cause I can't be bothered right now.
 

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Yup. Newegg has promo codes for all Zen 4 right now. Making the prices even lower than the list above. For the U.S. market, they are all hot deals right now.
Yup ! I only look at the 7950x, but yes....

BTW, does this seem like a troll post to you ? We have proved they are faster core-for-core, they take less power, they run cooler, and now less expensive ! So in what way is Raptor lake better ? Aside from faster for a few seconds before they melt with the 13900k. Mine run 100% for 24/7/365. Raptor lake would melt first. And 107C ??? Kaluan nailed it also. This DOES seem like a troll thread.
 
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Yup ! I only look at the 7950x, but yes....

BTW, does this seem like a troll post to you ? We have proved they are faster core-for-core, they take less power, they run cooler, and now less expensive ! So in what way is Raptor lake better ? Aside from faster for a few seconds before they melt with the 13900k. Mine run 100% for 24/7/365. Raptor lake would melt first. And 107C ??? Kaluan nailed it also. This DOES seem like a troll thread.
The OP uses U.S. launch MSRP pricing which is currently incorrect at the time of posting. Also, as our forums have a reputation for leaning AMD; a new member starting a thread like this? Straight up flame bait/trolling.
 

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My thought is that it s a trollish thread from the start, according to Computerbase 7700X has slightly better perf/clock against 8 Intel P cores when it comes to apps...

That's against the 12900K with DDR4 memory while the 7700x obviously had DDR5, so no wonder the 12900K is slightly behind the 7700x, and by slightly, I mean 2%. In the 13th gen review, the 13700K is ahead of the 12900K by 12% and that was equipped with DDR5. So no, the 7700x does not have slightly better perf/clock in multithreaded apps against either Alder Lake or Raptor Lake.

Using DDR5 for 12 or 13th gen is important for boosting multithreaded performance.
 

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That's against the 12900K with DDR4 memory while the 7700x obviously had DDR5, so no wonder the 12900K is slightly behind the 7700x, and by slightly, I mean 2%. In the 13th gen review, the 13700K is ahead of the 12900K by 12% and that was equipped with DDR5. So no, the 7700x does not have slightly better perf/clock in multithreaded apps against either Alder Lake or Raptor Lake.

Using DDR5 for 12 or 13th gen is important for boosting multithreaded performance.
It does not matter ever if they win for a few minutes. They will never touch Zen 4 for longer than 10 minutes@100%. And replying to a troll thread has just killed your reputation in my opinion.

Edit: And just so you know, I have an alderlake CPU, and it does not win by 2% or even close. Its on a tie with a 5950x for its 8 p-cores (meaning loses by 100%), and Zen 4 just kills it by like 30% more core for core. This is at full load 100% indefinitely, p-cores only. e-cores can't save it.

Edit2: Here it is barely winning against a 3950x 1:42 to 1:44 for a task, one p core to one Zen 2+ (or zen 3??) core. All the e-cores are disabled, and the HSF is more than 1/2 of the 5950x, and its takes more power than 1/2 the 5950x.:
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