How illegal would it be to fax 100% black pages?

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T_Yamamoto

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If you have any kind of chronic illness that involves multiple doctors/clinics, or any kind of legal issues, you'll probably buy one too.

For whatever reasons, scanning/emailing isn't considered "legit." (And as simple as it is, the average cat lady / medical receptionist lacks even that basic level of technical savvy.)

Fax machines are often the only way to transmit an acceptable copy of a document.

Plus, it's pretty much secure during transmission. Someone would have to tap into your phone line.

We cannot do without a fax machine yet.
Interesting
 

yhelothar

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If you have any kind of chronic illness that involves multiple doctors/clinics, or any kind of legal issues, you'll probably buy one too.

For whatever reasons, scanning/emailing isn't considered "legit." (And as simple as it is, the average cat lady / medical receptionist lacks even that basic level of technical savvy.)

I can vouch for the last statement.
I have some medical documentation that so far, that 3 out of 4 places accepted an emailed scanned copy.

Out of the three, two of them didn't know how to print a zipped file with jpgs and asked me to send them a pdf.
 

brianmanahan

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Fax machines are often the only way to transmit an acceptable copy of a document.

Plus, it's pretty much secure during transmission. Someone would have to tap into your phone line.

We cannot do without a fax machine yet.

sad
 

Slew Foot

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On one of the anarchist cookbook-type sites I saw a prank where you fax a black piece of construction paper to your target, as it goes through, tape the ends together so it is infinite. Machine on the other end will run out of toner if not stopped. :p


Lol.

But seriously, fax machine? How antiquated
 

DrPizza

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People still fax machines? Lol.
A fax has the ability to be legally binding, whereas email doesn't. Rather than mock the business world for using a somewhat more secure medium (how many servers does that critical email go through?) shouldn't you be busy planning your junior prom?
 
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Red Squirrel

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There's this company that kept trying to send me spam fax, but I don't have a fax, so I'd pickup the phone and just hear beeps. I decided to call it, and got a fax machine. Hooked up a fax machine so I could get it ready and just had to hit receive next time I get the call. Managed to receive it. Was some kind of lumber store spamming all over. I googled it and lot of people were getting this.

I made a word doc that said STOP IT in white text on a black background, copied the page a couple hundred times, then used a free fax service to send it. Also sent them threating emails.

They seem to have stopped.

I've always been under the impression this was illegal, but I called the cops the originating city and they said there's nothing they could do.
 

AreaCode707

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For some strange reason, I find sending/receiving faxes to be wildly amusing. I wish I had a reason to use it more often.
Hahahah! I don't know why that strikes me as hysterical but it totally does. I just see you sitting there, longingly wish you could be playing with the fax machine, and then gleefully jumping up when you have something to fax.
 

Gooberlx2

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If you have any kind of chronic illness that involves multiple doctors/clinics, or any kind of legal issues, you'll probably buy one too.

I can definitely vouch for each of those cases. Worker's comp, regular insurance, medical records/HIPAA releases, social security, medicare, lawyers, etc, etc...fax is quite often the only way they'll take the documents unless you want to snail mail them.
 

OVerLoRDI

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I can definitely vouch for each of those cases. Worker's comp, regular insurance, medical records/HIPAA releases, social security, medicare, lawyers, etc, etc...fax is quite often the only way they'll take the documents unless you want to snail mail them.

Yep, fax is still common in the legal and medical worlds
 

_Rick_

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If it's a computer, you might be able to send a fax so big, it will OOM the fax software.
Prepare to be on line for twenty years, while sending it, though.

I wonder if is possible to make the receiver generate a PDF that exploits some adobe reader weaknes...
 

veri745

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A fax has the ability to be legally binding, whereas email doesn't. Rather than mock the business world for using a somewhat more secure medium (how many servers does that critical email go through?) shouldn't you be busy planning your junior prom?

I guess that means the emails and electronic signatures I sent regarding my house offer and mortage application are all meaningless?

I somehow doubt that argument would hold up in court.

A lot of the precedent regarding email and electronic signatures vs faxing a copy are changing.
 

Murloc

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I've never had to use a fax, but I don't have to deal with lawyers or finance.
I've never been able to understand how the fax works, I did stupid shit like answer the phone on the machine every time as a kid because I didn't get it.
Now how that happens is clear but I still can't use the actual machine.
I think I would just get some software to receive faxes in pdf format. It looks kinda stupid because you might as well use e-mail directly.
I don't have an electronic signature either.

I think the fax is going into extinction fast enough, but a bill (like to your insurance) or a signed document feels more legit if it's faxed instead of scanned & emailed, it's bs but that's how it is. This is the last issue to be solved. I think that doctors here send the bill directly to the insurance company so it really isn't necessary.
 

Staples

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Long ago I had to send a fax for an RMA. I figure they just want to make the process as hard as possible so they will get no returns. I was pissed I had to jump through hoops. This is something I should have done.