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How hot is too hot for a Prescott SL7E2?

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Originally posted by: Duvie
I am wondering what does the case cooling consist of??? What I have seen is you have to have top of the line 3-4 case fans 80-120mm fans to even keep this thing cool.....What case?? How many fans and where?? PSU and number of fans??

I think you could find something in the high 20's low 30's that should be able to do better then the stock HSF....129f?? OUch!!!!! That is 54c at idle...Oh yes it wil hit 70+c under full loads and will not burn up but it will throttle...I suggest you get a program called Throttlewatch and run it and then go ahead and run an app like prime95 and superpi 32m at the same time and watch the throttlwatch on the screen and see if it starts throttling.....Throttling you know as the process of the chip manually slowing itself to reduce heat and cool without frying.....

The real sad thing is this is a lousy 2.8ghz and not even the 3.8ghz model that comes out......

If the above throttlewatch shows no throttling at 70c or 158f then the board may be reporting to you false readings....
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Duvie, if you are addressing me and if I understand you correctly; you also must have not read my posts. 😉 It's just a mobo, CPU, and memory laying on a table. That's all the customer is getting. No HD, or drives, no full PC, just the 3 things. He's also getting a case but I can't put it in the case until I have the final HSF unit on it since it's pretty much impossible to be replacing HSF units and TIM with a mobo in a case. This case of course will be loaded with fans, but I don't think that's going to make a big difference on the CPU core temp.

 
Originally posted by: computer
This case of course will be loaded with fans, but I don't think that's going to make a big difference on the CPU core temp.
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Proper case airflow will reduce CPU temperature by a bit as compared to running the chip in a motherboard lying on a table.

 
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Originally posted by: computer
This case of course will be loaded with fans, but I don't think that's going to make a big difference on the CPU core temp.
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Proper case airflow will reduce CPU temperature by a bit as compared to running the chip in a motherboard lying on a table.
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Yeah, "a bit", that's what I meant by "I don't think that's going to make a big difference on the CPU core temp.

When you're dealing with 129° at the coolest, a couple or so of degrees isn't' going to make a difference. It's still too hot. 😉
 
Originally posted by: MonkeyWrench4000
I have also never had a lying motherboard.
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Theres no such thing as an accurate measurement😛 (little science thing)

Besides Abit boards read up to 20C off. I had two identical Abit boards in my possetion which did so.








OP- Screw looking at temps!!!!!!!! Your only concern with a prescott should be

1) Is it stable? Does it pass stability testing? Hot chips don't pass stability testing..

2) It it throttling? DL throttle watch while doing #1. Is it throttling? If so it's too hot.
 
Well there isn't really any way you can test it outside of installing an OS, putting it under load, and running throttlewatch, so either get a better heatsink, or ship it as is and hope it's the temp being shown wrong. It will either throttle or it won't but there really is no way to know if you aren't gonna test it yourself..
 
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Originally posted by: computer

I don't see any images on the page, just red X's where the images should be.
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The site was slashdotted when I pasted the link. Try it again.
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Oh my!! :shocked: What? This thing is submerged in an aquarium of mineral oil???? Now I've seen it all! :laugh: :roll: Obviously mineral oil isn't conductive, capacitive, or inductive!
 
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Well there isn't really any way you can test it outside of installing an OS, putting it under load, and running throttlewatch, so either get a better heatsink, or ship it as is and hope it's the temp being shown wrong. It will either throttle or it won't but there really is no way to know if you aren't gonna test it yourself..
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I don't recall if I mentioned it, but I ordered a Ttake A4005 M2 SE(P4) from "PCavailable" and these jerks are a$$holes, so, that's another place to avoid. First they (what else is new) don't honor their Pricewatch prices (for which the P'watch jerks never care), and after I order it they feed be bull$hit for THREE DAYS about the price, all the while (get this) they never even had the SOB in stock!!! They never made one mention of it!! So, that wasted 3 days and I have yet another pi$$ed-off customer thanks to yet another Pricewatch scumbag vendor. I ended up after that having to order this one http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Fee...Review.asp?DEPA=0&Item=N82E16835106606 I mentioned before. Its HS is small, the same size as the retail Intel HS, however reviews are glowing on it. (HS on the A4005 was much larger, that's why I wanted it). I can always put a faster 80mm fan on it like the 50cfm Sunon or 54cfm LED Crystal, or that Vantec Tornado 80cfm screamer.




 
It just never ends. I got the new Ttake A4012-2 in and believe it or not, it's now running HOTTER!! 131°F!!!! :brokenheart: :roll: :disgust: :| The board is also shutting down and I have no idea why! :roll: :disgust: :| CPU's shutdown temp is disabled, and the warning temp is set to 151°F. Three times now it has shut completely off all by itself while I was watching the temp in the BIOS. I removed the 80mm fan that came with it, (which was no surprise also overrated at 32+ CFM). It's actually 30cfm. I put a 60mm 38cfm fan on it and temps got back down to below 129°, and it's still shutting off with absolutely no warning. (I used the TIM that came on the HS, it's not a pad. Ttake uses a patch of white Dow Corning TIM).

I noticed where the fan's steel mount connects to the copper HS with screws was loose. I tightened them before I put it on the CPU. Now I'm wondering if they were supposed to be loose to allow for thermal expansion of the copper. 😕 I'm not sure what this would have to do with it shutting down though. Unless the screws being tight not allowing the copper to expand freely is putting too much pressure on the copper, therefore too much pressure on the CPU. ????
 
If the proccessor gets too hot, it will shut itself down, despite any motherboard settings, to keep from burning itself up.
 
I was feeling the bottom of the mobo opposite the socket and it never got hot. The temp sensor I previously had there was still there and it never got over 80°F. I just removed the HSF unit............and the CPU CAME OFF WITH IT!! :Q Yes, the TIM by Ttake "glued" the CPU to the HS with such force that removing the HSF unit ripped the CPU from the mobo socket!!! The TIM was smashed out over a lot of the CPU and over its edges, so this could have been what was shutting it down if the TIM is capacitive/inductive/conductive in any manner. Obviously Ttake (Thermaltake) puts on the TIM with a large SPOON.

So now I'm about to try AS5, but now I have to find "mineral spirits, acetone, 99% isopropyl alcohol, or some carburetor cleaners" according to AS. In the past, I used "Goo Gone" citrus based cleaner followed by normal 70% alcohol, which apparently AS doesn't like as per their instructions. I did find some carb cleaner, but they say "or some carburetor cleanerS can be used" meaning that not ALLcarb cleaner will work. So I'm not sure what the hell to try.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions_big2.htm
 
With the AS5, temps are now 123°F w/60mm 38cfm fan. They rise back up to 129 with 80mm fans, even 39cfm, (which is why I hate these large fans on HS's). With a YStech 40cfm 60mm, same as the 38cfm.....that's a bit strange.

Evidently the shutting down was either the TIM from Ttake spreading all over the place, or a screwed up keyboard. I heard those "odd noises" you get when a key is pressed during boot, and the last time it was going through the BIOS menus automatically as though a ghost was hitting the arrow, ESC, or enter keys!! No longer happens with a different keyboard. Soooooo, I'm still left with a CPU that's now 123°F @idle and apparently wasted my money again on yet another POS HSF unit since (like I stated earlier) it was 131° with its own TIM and fan. This leads me to believe that the stock retail Intel 2.4C HSF unit with AS5 would also be 123°, but I'd hope that under load the Ttake would be cooler.

I don't know whether to call this a f***ed up CPU, or mobo thermal sensor.
 
That CPU can operate much higher than 156f. Not to mention it will throttle itself if it gets too hot( at 156f ).

Put a good heatsink on it, and its fine.

Edit: You now have a good heatsink, the screws should be tight, not loose, and you should have a a very thin layer of thermal grease on the cpu, and a very thin layer on the heatsink base where it will come in contact, then put them together and tighten the screws.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
That CPU can operate much higher than 156f. Not to mention it will throttle itself if it gets too hot.

Put a good heatsink on it, and its fine.
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Actually, the limit is only 156°F according to Intel's spec. I'm about to run MemTest and WMD, and if they pass OK, then I'm calling it another screwed up mobo thermal sensor like Abit.
 
It ran WMD with no problems, :beer: :wine: and immediately after it ran I checked the temp in the BIOS and it had "only" risen to 125°F (2° up from idle). The sensors on the underside of the mobo's CPU socket were 98°F (sensor I used before was faulty, read too low. I put two on it and went with the higher one).

I then ran MemTest, and it rebooted three times before it would run! Has anyone ever heard of that before? It would say "Loading..................." then the MemTest screen would "flash" for a tenth of a second, then reboot, then do it again. Then it ran OK, no errors. That sensor that previously showed 98° showed a peak of almost 104°F. Immediately after it ran, I checked the BIOS temp again and it was 125-127°F.
 
Originally posted by: computer
........I then ran MemTest, and it rebooted three times before it would run! Has anyone ever heard of that before? It would say "Loading..................." then the MemTest screen would "flash" for a tenth of a second, then reboot, then do it again. Then it ran OK, no errors......
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It should come as no surprise to me that something was wrong with the floppy. I put it in my PC, and it wouldn't run. I got a massive column of:

*X:****

Where the first * is a letter and the other 4 * marks were #'s. That's about 25 floppies gone bad in a week. This room must be full of gamma, beta, alpha, and X-rays, not to mention the EM field of an MRI.

 
Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: Acanthus
That CPU can operate much higher than 156f. Not to mention it will throttle itself if it gets too hot.

Put a good heatsink on it, and its fine.
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Actually, the limit is only 156°F according to Intel's spec. I'm about to run MemTest and WMD, and if they pass OK, then I'm calling it another screwed up mobo thermal sensor like Abit.
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link me?

156f is where it throttles, not where damage can be caused.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: Acanthus
That CPU can operate much higher than 156f. Not to mention it will throttle itself if it gets too hot.

Put a good heatsink on it, and its fine.
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Actually, the limit is only 156°F according to Intel's spec. I'm about to run MemTest and WMD, and if they pass OK, then I'm calling it another screwed up mobo thermal sensor like Abit.
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link me?

156f is where it throttles, not where damage can be caused.
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Look at my first post, it's in it. "69.1°C Thermal Spec", which is 156.38°F, so whatever that exactly means. I always thought those #'s were the limit.
http://processorfinder.intel.com/script...3&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL

 
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