How hot can my 9800gt safely get?

[soccerballtux]

Before it starts to have damage?

My case has bad circulation 🙁

 

[AzN]

You want under 80C. 94C is rather high.

 

[james1701]

I thought Nvidia said it could go up to 120 before damage.

I would spend a little and get an Acellero S1V2. It cut my temps down from 75C down to a loaded 54C on my 8800GT. That was every thing running in an Antec 900 case, so I know circulation had nothing to do with my card, but it did have the crappy single slot cooler.

 

[Schmide]

I had a PNY 9600gso that had crappy thermal paste applied. It would go to ~94c then throttle in occt gpu. Once I took off the HS and put on a fresh coat of HC compound. It wouldn't go above 70c.

Just an example.

 

[soccerballtux]

Bad circulation in my case (in my case, lol). If I open the side of the case it peaks at 75C. Can't do that where the computer is currently though (between desk and wall).

I haven't seen any artifacts, and it's overclocked...thinking I might just let it go.

 

[error8]

Why don't you increase the fan speed a little? Just a tad, until the card doesn't exceed 85 C.

 

[james1701]

what is your room temp?

 

[VirtualLarry]

One of my 9600GSOs died at 96C for two weeks. Didn't start giving errors, just simply died and won't display anything anymore.

I agree with the 80C cutoff, keep it under that temp and you should be ok.

 

[soccerballtux]

OK will work on this guys thanks.
I can't control the fan speed-- room temp is average AC'd. Not very hot.

 

[brblx]

you can control the fan speed with rivatuner. ideally you just want to modify the fan profile so it kicks to 100% BEFORE it's insansely hot rather than after.

 

[yh125d]

Either adjust the fan speed (in rivatuner like brblx said) or do what I did and buy an accelero. load temps of ~41c in COD5

 

[Schmide]

3rd option? Apply new thermal compound. I bought a Plait 9600gt and a PNY 9600gso each of which had crappy TC application and replacing made a world of difference.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Schmide
3rd option? Apply new thermal compound. I bought a Plait 9600gt and a PNY 9600gso each of which had crappy TC application and replacing made a world of difference.

It's probably bad contact. Not thermal goop.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Schmide
3rd option? Apply new thermal compound. I bought a Plait 9600gt and a PNY 9600gso each of which had crappy TC application and replacing made a world of difference.

It's probably bad contact. Not thermal goop.

No. For example. I took two identical Plait 9600gt 512mb cards apart (the ones with the ugly golden HS) , one had this thick horrendous pad probably 2mm thick. The other had a very thin less than 1mm pad. The temps for the thick one was 45-65c before I replaced it, 40-55c after, the temps for the thin one was 35-50c before, 35-45 after. The PNY 9600gso also had this thick pad. The stuff is very hard, and if it's too thick it will cause bad heat transfer.

I often wonder if you disagree just for the sake of it?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Schmide
3rd option? Apply new thermal compound. I bought a Plait 9600gt and a PNY 9600gso each of which had crappy TC application and replacing made a world of difference.

It's probably bad contact. Not thermal goop.

No. For example. I took two identical Plait 9600gt 512mb cards apart (the ones with the ugly golden HS) , one had this thick horrendous pad probably 2mm thick. The other had a very thin less than 1mm pad. The temps for the thick one was 45-65c before I replaced it, 40-55c after, the temps for the thin one was 35-50c before, 35-45 after. The PNY 9600gso also had this thick pad. The stuff is very hard, and if it's too thick it will cause bad heat transfer.

I often wonder if you disagree just for the sake of it?

You do understand different thermal goop does very little to drop the temperature down. Try reading a article or 2 about it. What makes the biggest difference is bad and good contact between heat and cooling surfaces.

I usually disagree because it's nonsense.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Schmide
3rd option? Apply new thermal compound. I bought a Plait 9600gt and a PNY 9600gso each of which had crappy TC application and replacing made a world of difference.

It's probably bad contact. Not thermal goop.

No. For example. I took two identical Plait 9600gt 512mb cards apart (the ones with the ugly golden HS) , one had this thick horrendous pad probably 2mm thick. The other had a very thin less than 1mm pad. The temps for the thick one was 45-65c before I replaced it, 40-55c after, the temps for the thin one was 35-50c before, 35-45 after. The PNY 9600gso also had this thick pad. The stuff is very hard, and if it's too thick it will cause bad heat transfer.

I often wonder if you disagree just for the sake of it?

You do understand different thermal goop does very little to drop the temperature down. Try reading a article or 2 about it. What makes the biggest difference is bad and good contact between heat and cooling surfaces.

I usually disagree because it's nonsense.

Please notice what I made bold. In my example I was there not you. I've read tons of articles and have personally applied well over 100 applications of of thermal compound. I understand the stuff.

What's total nonsense is your simplification of the issue and most issues I've seen you discuss. If the pad is thick and the material is viscus no amount of pressure is going to overcome this and make thermal transfer good.

 

[Marty502]

Nobody suggests modifying the case or replacing the fans?

My old Radeon x1950 Pro could have cooked an egg it was so hot.
It stopped doing that when I added a 120mm. sidefan and upgraded the intake fan from a 80mm. to a 120mm. fan.
Cheapest upgrade in the world. A dremel, two fans and some creativity. It doesn't need to be ricey/full of leds. My case looks stock.
I don't really need that now, but it's nice to know my video card will never go above 65ºC.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Schmide
Please notice what I made bold. In my example I was there not you. I've read tons of articles and have personally applied well over 100 applications of of thermal compound. I understand the stuff.

What's total nonsense is your simplification of the issue and most issues I've seen you discuss. If the pad is thick and the material is viscus no amount of pressure is going to overcome this and make thermal transfer good.

Like you are the only one who play with thermal paste. There are plenty of people here who have played with the stuff including myself.

10C drop is out of norm for using different paste. It's caused by bad contact between the heat surface and cooling.

Now why would there be a pad on the GPU core? I've had GPU's from ISA days to current. There's usually thermal goop of some sort on the GPU core. Pad is inferior to transfer heat compared to paste.

Simplifying things make it easier for people like you to understand. That's why I do it.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Schmide
Please notice what I made bold. In my example I was there not you. I've read tons of articles and have personally applied well over 100 applications of of thermal compound. I understand the stuff.

What's total nonsense is your simplification of the issue and most issues I've seen you discuss. If the pad is thick and the material is viscus no amount of pressure is going to overcome this and make thermal transfer good.

Like you are the only one who play with thermal paste. There are plenty of people here who have played with the stuff including myself.

10C drop is out of norm for using different paste. It's caused by bad contact between the heat surface and cooling.

Now why would there be a pad on the GPU core? I've had GPU's from ISA days to current. There's usually thermal goop of some sort on the GPU core. Pad is inferior to transfer heat compared to paste.

Simplifying things make it easier for people like you to understand. That's why I do it.

None of that is the issue at hand. My point was there are cards out there that either have some defect in the paste/pad or a mis or over application of it. It's a valid point.

You're kind of saying the same thing I am but disagreeing for the sake of trying to sound smarter than everyone. Kind of a straw man if you ask me.

As for the pad, they were there I scraped them off. I'm not talking about that foam like stuff that goes on the ram.

images of pads

Edit: This is my Sapphire 4870 HS with it's thermal pad. This thermal pad worked well. 4870

Your last sentence does you no justice. I'm here to share my experience an knowledge. I'm trying to be constructive here.

BTW there were very few if any HS in the ISA days.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Schmide
Please notice what I made bold. In my example I was there not you. I've read tons of articles and have personally applied well over 100 applications of of thermal compound. I understand the stuff.

What's total nonsense is your simplification of the issue and most issues I've seen you discuss. If the pad is thick and the material is viscus no amount of pressure is going to overcome this and make thermal transfer good.

Like you are the only one who play with thermal paste. There are plenty of people here who have played with the stuff including myself.

10C drop is out of norm for using different paste. It's caused by bad contact between the heat surface and cooling.

Now why would there be a pad on the GPU core? I've had GPU's from ISA days to current. There's usually thermal goop of some sort on the GPU core. Pad is inferior to transfer heat compared to paste.

Simplifying things make it easier for people like you to understand. That's why I do it.

None of that is the issue at hand. My point was there are cards out there that either have some defect in the paste/pad or a mis or over application of it. It's a valid point.

You're kind of saying the same I am thing but disagreeing for the sake of trying to sound smarter than everyone. Kind of a straw man if you ask me.

As for the pad, they were there I scraped them off. I'm not talking about that foam like stuff that goes on the ram.

images of pads

Your last sentence does you no justice. I'm here to share my experience an knowledge. I'm trying to be constructive here.

BTW there were very few if any HS in the ISA days.

I, too, have noticed Azn do little but disagree on these forums; and yes, oversimplify things.
For what it's worth, it's very unlikely a bad contact would make it through Q&A, considering the heatsink is screwed on. If they chose average paste/pad, on the other hand, now that is something completely different.

I opened up my case and pointed a 120mm fan at the GPU, it's idling at 52C now, topping out at ~80C. It'll just have to look ugly for now. It has an option for a side fan and top fan, I think I'll put some in.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Azn
Simplifying things make it easier for people like you to understand. That's why I do it.

Nobody has asked you to do it 😛

No need to be rude Azn but with comments like those, no one will want to engage in any discussion with you even if you were the next Einstein because you portray yourself as an arrogant prick (mind my language). We are all here to have constructive discussions, and in this case help a fellow AT member. If you have nothing to contribute to the thread either than flexing your ego on other members, its no worse than trolling.

@the OP.

Was your temps fine before?

Why is there bad circulation in your case? Maybe you would do some wire management and add a few case fans to increase air circulation, but Im getting the feeling that you can't be *** to do so. 😀

Check to see if your heatsink is clogged with dust (if it is, clean it) which is another factor in why your temps could go so high.

Could also reapply thermal paste as schmide suggested.

Last option would be buying a 3rd party cooling system or just buying a new card (seeing as there are alot of sweet deals floating about as we speak!).

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Schmide
Please notice what I made bold. In my example I was there not you. I've read tons of articles and have personally applied well over 100 applications of of thermal compound. I understand the stuff.

What's total nonsense is your simplification of the issue and most issues I've seen you discuss. If the pad is thick and the material is viscus no amount of pressure is going to overcome this and make thermal transfer good.

Like you are the only one who play with thermal paste. There are plenty of people here who have played with the stuff including myself.

10C drop is out of norm for using different paste. It's caused by bad contact between the heat surface and cooling.

Now why would there be a pad on the GPU core? I've had GPU's from ISA days to current. There's usually thermal goop of some sort on the GPU core. Pad is inferior to transfer heat compared to paste.

Simplifying things make it easier for people like you to understand. That's why I do it.

None of that is the issue at hand. My point was there are cards out there that either have some defect in the paste/pad or a mis or over application of it. It's a valid point.

You're kind of saying the same thing I am but disagreeing for the sake of trying to sound smarter than everyone. Kind of a straw man if you ask me.

As for the pad, they were there I scraped them off. I'm not talking about that foam like stuff that goes on the ram.

images of pads

Edit: This is my Sapphire 4870 HS with it's thermal pad. This thermal pad worked well. 4870

Your last sentence does you no justice. I'm here to share my experience an knowledge. I'm trying to be constructive here.

BTW there were very few if any HS in the ISA days.

10C drop in temperature from paste pad or whatever is out of the norm... It's not pad btw on your 4870. It's goop...

Here's an article done on different thermal goop. Not on GPU but CPU. The difference between the best and lowest performing paste is 4C at load. When you say 10C drop in performance by taking off the goop and reapplying you are ALSO making better contact between the hot and cooling surfaces. That might have a whole lot to do with your temps dropping than your thermal paste argument.

http://www.hardocp.com/article...w0LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

You think I disagree because I want to feel smart? Seriously... It's personal shit like these that make me respond like that last sentence. And what is wrong with simplifying things? It makes things more simple so others can understand.

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Nobody has asked you to do it 😛

No need to be rude Azn but with comments like those, no one will want to engage in any discussion with you even if you were the next Einstein because you portray yourself as an arrogant prick (mind my language). We are all here to have constructive discussions, and in this case help a fellow AT member. If you have nothing to contribute to the thread either than flexing your ego on other members, its no worse than trolling.

I do it anyway because I like simplicity. Same reason why I don't wear any accessories. 😛

It was rude but then Schmide came off rude anyways being personal. He got a response because that was his intention.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Azn
10C drop in temperature from paste pad or whatever is out of the norm... It's not pad btw on your 4870. It's goop...

Here's an article done on different thermal goop. Not on GPU but CPU. The difference between the best and lowest performing paste is 4C at load. When you say 10C drop in performance by taking off the goop and reapplying you are ALSO making better contact between the hot and cooling surfaces. That might have a whole lot to do with your temps dropping than your thermal paste argument.

http://www.hardocp.com/article...w0LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

You think I disagree because I want to feel smart? Seriously... It's personal shit like these that make me respond like that last sentence. And what is wrong with simplifying things? It makes things more simple so others can understand.

It was rude but then Schmide came off rude anyways being personal. He got a response because that was his intention.

I've read that h-ocp article. I bought some Shin-Etsu because of it. Used it on the 3 graphic cards I'm referring to.

I consider it a pad. If it's pre-applied to the HS in a square, it's most likely a pad. It's near the same material. Intel and AMD describe the material.

Intel
AMD

Google search for thermal pad

It's usually a bit harder than tube material, usually referred to as a phase change thermal pad. There are other types of pads, gels, adhesives, and some that are almost grease like. The 4870 fell into this last category. I guess you could classify it as grease, I could care less. The Plait 9600gt was the worst crap I've ever seen. It took me about 15 min to get off with cleaning solution. Pulled my fingernail up as well. The PNY, while a bit crusty and thick, was easily removed. Regardless of what the material is, if there is too much of it you will get crappy temperatures. The first thing you ask anyone when they're getting crappy temps is, how much thermal compound did you use?

As for the ego/rudeness thing, you're semantically nitpicking something without providing perspective. It's not really what you say, it's how you say it. If you want to get semantic, bad contact is when you have misapplied pressure to the chip, say a loose clip, screw, or badly positioned shim. Certainly not what I was talking about. Bad thermal interface material would encompass too little, too much, wrong type, bad quality, etc. This is what I was referring to.

Notice I provide a lot of information and perspective on what I'm saying. I don't just say, you're wrong, go read an article, it's nonsense, etc.

I stand by my initial statement, you argue for the sake of it.

 

[AzN]

This is what you call thermal pad...

http://media.digikey.com/photo...0%20GP%20US%208X16.jpg

It doesn't change into a mooshy material that you can scape off or soften up like on your 4870. Thermal pad stays intact and can't be scraped off but peeled off. It's usually used to cool memory chips on your video card.

And you looked at the H article yet you seem to think thermal paste makes 10C drop. Did you ever think that your heatsink didn't make good contact with the chip? You scraping the thicker goop and applying a thin layer of paste made better contact with the heatsink and the hot surface. Now if you used the same material that came with the card and just made is thinner you would get similar results. If I argue for the sake of it. So do you.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Azn
This is what you call thermal pad...

http://media.digikey.com/photo...0%20GP%20US%208X16.jpg

It doesn't change into a mooshy material that you can scape off or soften up like on your 4870. Thermal pad stays intact and can't be scraped off but peeled off. It's usually used to cool memory chips on your video card.

And you looked at the H article yet you seem to think thermal paste makes 10C drop. Did you ever think that your heatsink didn't make good contact with the chip? You scraping the thicker goop and applying a thin layer of paste made better contact with the heatsink and the hot surface. Now if you used the same material that came with the card and just made is thinner you would get similar results. If I argue for the sake of it. So do you.

This is seriously a straw man. I would hope you understand what I said in my previous 3 paragraphs.

This is also a thermal pad Shin-Etsu PCS-TC-11T-13 .

Did I ever say that just changing the material would make a 10c drop? (double straw man) Proper application and the replacement of a very thick goop, in the orientation of a thermal pad, would make a difference in my opinion.

You're seriously arguing things I didn't say.

The bold above in your post is just bad advice. Regardless of the argument, you never reuse thermal material except for maybe the foam like pads that go on the ram sinks.