How hard will it be to get launch Haswell?

[OBLAMA2009]

As stated above, the problem isn't plugging in a USB 3 flash drive. And yes, I plan on buying a MacBook Air as soon as I can order a Haswell equipped one.

whatever the exact issue, most people would call it a major bug. also didnt they have a sandy bridge bug that actually resulted in a recall and delay?

 

[ShintaiDK]

whatever the exact issue, most people would call it a major bug. also didnt they have a sandy bridge bug that actually resulted in a recall and delay?

You really need to read up on the bug before posting anything further on the subject.

 

[Roland00Address]

whatever the exact issue, most people would call it a major bug. also didnt they have a sandy bridge bug that actually resulted in a recall and delay?

Yes they had a big sandy bridge bug that caused a recall and a 3 month delay. Intel lost over a billion due to that mistake.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I use it primarily for gaming (7970 x 1, with the expectation that I will add a second at some point), but also for media consumption - nothing in photoshop, no video editing, etc. Res is 1080p. So really not looking for something that must be beastly, but I do want it to last as long as possible.

It seemed pretty clear that steamroller would be am3+ based on what I've read. What makes you believe otherwise? Or just hopeful for newer tech?

If your primary use is for gaming, and you have to get a new MB anyway, I would just go with 3570k. For gaming, I dont see much down the road that looks to be much improvement over that. In some newer highly threaded games, 8350 is competitive, and MAY stay competitive longer, but that is yet to be seen. Overall 3570k is a much more well rounded gaming chip if you intend to play any type of older games or less threaded games such as those from Blizzard.

Otherwise, I would just keep the x6 and get a new mb. I personally would not upgrade from that to 8350, especially since you dont plan to use any of the heavily MT productivity apps like encoding at which the 8350 is most proficient.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

If its anything like the IVY chips then not really that hard. I got one on launch day from amazon.

 

[cbrunny]

Right now I'm thinking of grabbing this: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A99FX_PRO_R20/ and drop in my Thuban. It's a gamble... but if steamroller is am3+ it should be worthwhile...

 

[PowerYoga]

whatever the exact issue, most people would call it a major bug. also didnt they have a sandy bridge bug that actually resulted in a recall and delay?

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Haswell-S3-Sleep-Problem-PCN,21896.html

hardly sounds like a "major" bug to me. More like a nuisance.

 

[lagokc]

If its anything like the IVY chips then not really that hard. I got one on launch day from amazon.

I've been impressed with Amazon's shipping in the past but that's insane.

 

[2is]

whatever the exact issue, most people would call it a major bug. also didnt they have a sandy bridge bug that actually resulted in a recall and delay?

So you don't even know the issue but you know its major? That sounds more like you don't really know what you're talking about. Most people would have taken the couple minutes to educate themselves after being told the first time the issue was not what they thought it was. But not you, you're just gonna stick to your guns that there's a major issue you don't actually know about.

As for SB, there was a problem with the motherboard chipsets, specifically affecting the long term reliability of the SATA3 ports.

 

[Denithor]

I've been impressed with Amazon's shipping in the past but that's insane.

Why exactly? They get their chips days (more likely, weeks) in advance of launch day. And are able to ship them out a day or two before so your shiny new CPU arrives on your doorstep on launch day.

Love me some Amazon. Happy Prime member for the last three years.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Right now I'm thinking of grabbing this: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A99FX_PRO_R20/ and drop in my Thuban. It's a gamble... but if steamroller is am3+ it should be worthwhile...

Right now there is no successor on AM3+ to the current chips. And AM3+ will be dropped.

 

[cbrunny]

Right now there is no successor on AM3+ to the current chips. And AM3+ will be dropped.

Proof? I've read a lot that says there is one more.

http://techreport.com/news/24594/amd-roadmap-confirms-steamroller-based-opterons-this-year
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2208525/amd-sticks-with-socket-am3-for-steamroller
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2276782 <- entire thread about it (ok... mostly about other related topics, but started out as such)
http://www.xcfclan.com/news.php?item.639.3

No idea how credible some of these sources are, but it is corroborated nonetheless.

There are some that are claiming AM4 for Steamroller as well. It seems split pretty close to 50-50. I've even read one post (in a forum, so take it for what its worth) that Steamroller will be AM4, but will also work in 9-series am3+ boards.

 

[blackened23]

You really need to read up on the bug before posting anything further on the subject.

Why would you post something so vague and non-informative?

Can you enlighten us? I'd like to get Haswell on launch but may wait for the revised one. I use USB 3.0 devices, so having them go away after sleep would be a definite annoyance for sure - I keep my PC on 24/7 and use a USB 3.0 external hard drive which I have network shares on. If that remains the case, i'll wait for the next stepping in July or so. I certainly don't want my TV streaming players to give me a fit because the external HD's can't resume from sleep.

Do you have information sources with different info? Basically the way I see it is, if you use USB 3.0 this is a definite annoyance. Otherwise, since a lot of people don't use USB 3.0, maybe not for them. But, if something changed please let us know - instead of posting something completely cryptic

 

[Subyman]

Good lord, don't let the sky is falling people scare you from buying a launch Haswell. I've purchased over 5 gens of Intel chips at launch without any failures or major problems. The SB issue wasn't with the CPU but with the Motherboards and only pertained to a rare Sata 2.0 issue (5% of users could be affected over a 3 year period.) Free boards were offered to those that were affected. I have one of those "bad" boards and have been using it trouble free since launch in a secondary computer.

Getting a Haswell at launch should be no problem at all. Intel makes 100,000's of chips. They are not small time like GPU manufacturers that can be back logged for months.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Proof? I've read a lot that says there is one more.

http://techreport.com/news/24594/amd-roadmap-confirms-steamroller-based-opterons-this-year
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2208525/amd-sticks-with-socket-am3-for-steamroller
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2276782 <- entire thread about it (ok... mostly about other related topics, but started out as such)
http://www.xcfclan.com/news.php?item.639.3

No idea how credible some of these sources are, but it is corroborated nonetheless.

There are some that are claiming AM4 for Steamroller as well. It seems split pretty close to 50-50. I've even read one post (in a forum, so take it for what its worth) that Steamroller will be AM4, but will also work in 9-series am3+ boards.

Steamroller on FM2 as single socket APU Opterons? Yes.

Also note, new platform.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Why would you post something so vague and non-informative?

Can you enlighten us? I'd like to get Haswell on launch but may wait for the revised one. I use USB 3.0 devices, so having them go away after sleep would be a definite annoyance for sure - I keep my PC on 24/7 and use a USB 3.0 external hard drive which I have network shares on. If that remains the case, i'll wait for the next stepping in July or so. I certainly don't want my TV streaming players to give me a fit because the external HD's can't resume from sleep.

Do you have information sources with different info? Basically the way I see it is, if you use USB 3.0 this is a definite annoyance. Otherwise, since a lot of people don't use USB 3.0, maybe not for them. But, if something changed please let us know - instead of posting something completely cryptic

Just search the forum. There was threads about it when the topic was hot.

 

[blackened23]

Good lord, don't let the sky is falling people scare you from buying a launch Haswell. I've purchased over 5 gens of Intel chips at launch without any failures or major problems. The SB issue wasn't with the CPU but with the Motherboards and only pertained to a rare Sata 2.0 issue (5% of users could be affected over a 3 year period.) Free boards were offered to those that were affected. I have one of those "bad" boards and have been using it trouble free since launch in a secondary computer.

Getting a Haswell at launch should be no problem at all. Intel makes 100,000's of chips. They are not small time like GPU manufacturers that can be back logged for months.

Nobody said the sky is falling. In the grand scheme, it's a minor issue. However, if i'm reading into it correct - it will affect me. As I said I use external 3.0 HD's for my network shares and streaming to my set top devices (WD TV live).

So basically it boils down to whether you use USB 3.0, and whether resume from sleep will bother you. In my case, it would - and I will wait another month. But for someone else it may not.

That's why i'm asking -- if i'm missing something about this "bug" please tell me. Do I have wrong info on what the bug does?

 

[Subyman]

Why would you post something so vague and non-informative?

Can you enlighten us? I'd like to get Haswell on launch but may wait for the revised one. I use USB 3.0 devices, so having them go away after sleep would be a definite annoyance for sure - I keep my PC on 24/7 and use a USB 3.0 external hard drive which I have network shares on. If that remains the case, i'll wait for the next stepping in July or so. I certainly don't want my TV streaming players to give me a fit because the external HD's can't resume from sleep.

Do you have information sources with different info? Basically the way I see it is, if you use USB 3.0 this is a definite annoyance. Otherwise, since a lot of people don't use USB 3.0, maybe not for them. But, if something changed please let us know - instead of posting something completely cryptic

From what I read, Intel has issued a fix and affected components will not hit the market. I believe the issue is with the chipset, not the CPU. The problem is with "some" USB speedstep thumbdrives and only if you view documents or video off of that thumbdrive AND let your computer go to sleep, then resume to continue viewing. Seems like a somewhat rare issue, if it even hits the retail chain.

Official statement:

4th gen Core is on track for a mid-year launch. Intel issued a PCN documenting a chipset USB errata and stating that chipsets with the errata will be in production during the initial ramp. But Intel has confirmed that there is no chance of data loss or corruption. This issue has only been observed with a small subset of USB SuperSpeed thumb drives and does not affect other USB peripherals. We take all customer issues seriously and should any customer have a question or concern they can always contact Intel customer support.

 

[blackened23]

Okay, so it only affects thumb drives. Excellent. More minor that I anticipated, won't affect me. Thank you, subyman.

 

[Subyman]

Nobody said the sky is falling. In the grand scheme, it's a minor issue.

Yes, someone did say the equivalent of "the sky is falling" but I wasn't talking about you:

when new stuff comes out there are always serious bugs, like spontaneous crashes or stuff not turning on/off. its better to get ivy bridge now

and then he defended that statement poorly for several more posts.

 

[Subyman]

Okay, so it only affects thumb drives. Excellent. More minor that I anticipated, won't affect me. Thank you, subyman.

No problem. There was a lot of misinformation and wild speculation around the story when it first came out. Seems like some of that still exists. Intel has been upfront with this issue and, from what I've read, the affected parts will not even hit the market.

 

[cbrunny]

Steamroller on FM2 as single socket APU Opterons? Yes.

Also note, new platform.

Can you please post the link to the article?

 

[cbrunny]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5488/amds-2012-2013-server-roadmap-abu-dhabi-seoul-delhi-cpus

Originally AMD had talked about introducing a new G2012 platform and delivering 10 & 20-core solutions called Sepang and Terramar. Those plans have been scrapped for the moment and what we get instead is a drop-in replacement for existing Opteron 6200 CPUs.

Sounds like a new server platform is indeed in the works. But this doesn't stop them from producing a consumer cpu with steamroller cores @ am3+, does it?

 

[NTMBK]

Steamroller on FM2 as single socket APU Opterons? Yes.

Also note, new platform.

New platforms actually There will be some form of CPU only Steamroller Opteron. AMD could always make an "enthusiast" version, the same way that Intel sells some 2011 CPUs as i7-E. But yeah, AM3 is probably dead (and its about time too).

 

[Pheesh]

affected parts will hit the market for any of the june released motherboard chipsets I believe- but a few things:

• it supposedly affects a small subset of usb3 devices when returning from sleep mode
• motherboards often include their own 3rd party usb chipsets, should you use sleep on a desktop and happen to have one of the affected usb3 thumb drives (supposedly a short list) you could always just use the 3rd party ports

Personally I dont use sleep and dont run a lot of apps off of a thumb drive so I don't forsee issue for me, but I'd probably try to select a mobo with a third party chipset just in case.