How hard is it to land a job at such places like Intel/AMD/ATI/NVIDIA ?

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Xonoahbin

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Interesting, Mr. Mahoney.. I live in Colorado Springs actually.. and we have a large Intel plant (I think) down here. I think I'll spring for an internship in about seven years when I turn 22.. lol.. but do you know if the plant down here mainly does processing/building of products or if it's a technique site? If it were a technique site, it'd be more than building products, but coming up with concepts and concepts sound a lot better than building products.
 

gbuskirk

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Don't overlook IBM, LSI Logic, Motorola, TI, and other companies. IBM used to have a great co-op program. They have cool projects too. Better to work on a cool project there than to take a support role at a "cool" company.
 

KeepItRed

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What courses do you need exactly to be an EE? Currently in high school I'm taking Computer Engineering, Computer Programming, Functions and Relations (math), Pysics, Chemistry.
 

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Originally posted by: KeepItRed
What courses do you need exactly to be an EE? Currently in high school I'm taking Computer Engineering, Computer Programming, Functions and Relations (math), Pysics, Chemistry.

There are a lot avenues u dont have to take "certain classes" it all depends what you want to do for ex if your intrested in VLSI you have to take digital circuit courses. If you are intrested in communication you take a lot of signal courses. It all depends what you are intrested in. For EE at univ or michigan you have to take 2 semesters of programming in c++. As far as basic courses you have to take physics ( Electricty and the reg physics) take 4 calc courses and chemistry

 

gnomepunk

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I had to take chemistry for my Computer Engineering BS and I never understood why. ::sigh::

EE is a huge field. Your basics will give you the opportunity to take a little bit of everything (Intro to Digital Logic/VLSI, Signals, Circuit Analysis) and then your elective will let you play a little more in the field you find most intresting (Analog Signals, CMOS, Digital Design). Just have fun and fraternities are bad, m'k.
 

Stretchman

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I know the original poster didn't ask about Apple, but I have some info regarding this that might be of interest.

My friend's older brother graduated from Stanford University (the farm, as we call it) and immediately went to work for Apple in their projects development department. Academically speaking, he did very well - his parents had no objections to him staying up till 3am on weeknights during highschool so could study longer (yes, he would feel sick upon rising at 7am for class) so @ Stanford he pulled A's.

When he landed his job @ Apple, he was very excited because he would be working in the dept that helped design all of Apple's future products as well as next generation version of popular gizmo's like the iPod. He left after about a year and a half though.

I wasn't 'on the inside' of course, but according to my friend, his older brother was worked like a dog at Apple. He said that when people describe them as zealots for perfection they aren't kidding, and that much of his time was spent cleaning code inside a cubicle. He left to pursue a masters degree at Illinios Urbana-Champagne business dept.

While i'm sure his case isn't typical of all Apple employess, I thought it might be interesting to share one graduates story of how life at a big tech company turned out.
 

pm

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but do you know if the plant down here mainly does processing/building of products or if it's a technique site? If it were a technique site, it'd be more than building products, but coming up with concepts and concepts sound a lot better than building products.
The Colorado Springs campus is predominantly a flash memory fabrication facility, but there are several design groups there. The largest design group down there does networking chips, IIRC.
What courses do you need exactly to be an EE? Currently in high school I'm taking Computer Engineering, Computer Programming, Functions and Relations (math), Pysics, Chemistry.
That looks like the right class mix. About the only thing that I would think would be missing is something like "pre-calculus", but maybe functions and relations fills that role. Once you are in university studying it, the university will tell you what to take, but usually the core classes for the first few years are physics, mathematics, computer programming, and, of course, engineering classes, and then in later years you get to specialize based on what you want to do.
While i'm sure his case isn't typical of all Apple employess, I thought it might be interesting to share one graduates story of how life at a big tech company turned out.
My next door neighbor works for Apple remotely from Fort Collins. He is extremely happy working there - and he has a nice working arrangement living here and yet writing code for a group in Cupertino. A friend's wife works in the Cupertino office and she is also very pleased with working at Apple.

As far as working in high tech in general as being long, grueling hours... well, I will admit that, based on my experiences, it is a bit like that. Compared to friends who are in marketing or banking or some retail environment, I know that most high tech workers work longer hours. That said, high tech work usually pays pretty well too. But still, you will want to have a bit of a passion for it, or else putting in longer hours to work on something that isn't interesting to you is likely to lead to an early career change.

I personally love chip design - and I really like working for Intel doing it. Every day is a new challenge with what I call the "disaster du jour" usually greeting me early in the morning. Things go wrong and things go right and we all work together and at the end of the day we create something that is new and neat. I take a bit of satisfaction in sitting down in front of a computer built with a microprocessor inside of which I designed, simulated and routed most of the clocking system. Or sitting down in front of a SEM/LVP and looking at the die and just seeing how insanely complex it is and thinking "I helped make this". I have always enjoyed working with computers and tinkering with electronics - definitely chip design has been the right career choice for me. And the hours aren't that bad... to be honest, I like working. I need a break from it, of course, but at night I often find myself logging in to check on the results of the last simulation to see if I got it right or need to make changes. In the end, this adds up to more than 40 hours per week nearly always, but who cares if I'm having fun how many hours I'm working? Is work really work, if you enjoy it?


Patrick Mahoney
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Intel Corp.
Fort Collins, CO
 

Vegitto

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Dear guys,

I'm currently just in high school, but it's been my dream to work for Intel or AMD. I'm just in 4th grade (I'm not sure what that is in America, but I'm 14, most kids in my class are 15~17), and I want to start out well. What universities can you recommend me for a job with Intel or AMD? If I pass all of my exams, I'll be able to go to a university in a little over 2 years (Yeah, I know, I skipped 2 classes, damn this 164 IQ!).
 

CTho9305

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What universities can you recommend me for a job with Intel or AMD?
I would think that you'd have a good chance at any of the universities with well-ranked electrical/computer engineering/CS programs. Some partial lists are online here and here (full list costs money), but I think the same data is free here and here.

Of course, going to a highly-ranked school doesn't in any way guarantee a good job, and going to a lesser-ranked school doesn't guarantee you won't get a good job. I'm sure someone else could give a better idea of how much the school you attend matters.
 

Vegitto

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Woah! $32,300 for Massachusetts Inst. of Technology ?! I fuc[/i]ing hope that's not per year. Is it?
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: CTho9305
What universities can you recommend me for a job with Intel or AMD?
I would think that you'd have a good chance at any of the universities with well-ranked electrical/computer engineering/CS programs. Some partial lists are online here and here (full list costs money), but I think the same data is free here and here.

Of course, going to a highly-ranked school doesn't in any way guarantee a good job, and going to a lesser-ranked school doesn't guarantee you won't get a good job. I'm sure someone else could give a better idea of how much the school you attend matters.

I did my undergrad BSEE at Notre Dame, whose engineering program is ranked somewhere in the 40s, and I got 2 Intel interviews, and offers for 2 more which I declined because of my decision to attend grad school.

I applied online too, so I suppose if your resume is good and you have the necessary experience and keywords the recruiters are searching for (VLSI, CMOS, etc.) they aren't going to automatically filter you out if you didn't go to a top ranked EE/CS school.

I suppose it would help going to a higher ranked program because I checked their recruiting schedule and it looks like they visit all the top EE/CS schools. You might have a better shot talking to the recruiters directly than applying online, but I can't say for sure.
 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: CTho9305
What universities can you recommend me for a job with Intel or AMD?
I would think that you'd have a good chance at any of the universities with well-ranked electrical/computer engineering/CS programs. Some partial lists are online here and here (full list costs money), but I think the same data is free here and here.

Of course, going to a highly-ranked school doesn't in any way guarantee a good job, and going to a lesser-ranked school doesn't guarantee you won't get a good job. I'm sure someone else could give a better idea of how much the school you attend matters.

I did my undergrad BSEE at Notre Dame, whose engineering program is ranked somewhere in the 40s, and I got 2 Intel interviews, and offers for 2 more which I declined because of my decision to attend grad school.

I applied online too, so I suppose if your resume is good and you have the necessary experience and keywords the recruiters are searching for (VSLI, CMOS, etc.) they aren't going to automatically filter you out if you didn't go to a top ranked EE/CS school.

I suppose it would help going to a higher ranked program because I checked their recruiting schedule and it looks like they visit all the top EE/CS schools. You might have a better shot talking to the recruiters directly than applying online, but I can't say for sure.

Wow, thanks. I read the whole thread, but I don't exactly grasp this concept of "CMOS" and "VSLI". CMOS is the language for BIOS programming? Or is it some kind of sensor, since there are CMOS camera's, too? Could you recommend an easy book for me, since I'm just in high school about this stuff?

If you're a moderator, please disregard the following line:
(Please, one I can download. I know it's illegal, but we're poor, and I don't have a creditcard to order online.)

 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: Vegitto
Woah! $32,300 for Massachusetts Inst. of Technology ?! I fuc[/i]ing hope that's not per year. Is it?

Yes, it is.

Oh.
My.
Fuc[/i]king.
God.

How would anyone be able to pay for this? How long do you attend such a school, on average? 4 years? 6? I'd better start saving and working for it :p.
 

CTho9305

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Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: Vegitto
Woah! $32,300 for Massachusetts Inst. of Technology ?! I fuc[/i]ing hope that's not per year. Is it?

Yes, it is.

Oh.
My.
Fuc[/i]king.
God.

How would anyone be able to pay for this? How long do you attend such a school, on average? 4 years? 6? I'd better start saving and working for it :p.

Lots of loans, or merit- and need-based financial aid.

Wow, thanks. I read the whole thread, but I don't exactly grasp this concept of "CMOS" and "VSLI". CMOS is the language for BIOS programming? Or is it some kind of sensor, since there are CMOS camera's, too? Could you recommend an easy book for me, since I'm just in high school about this stuff?
VLSI is just an abbreviation for "very large scale integration", i.e. putting many many transistors on a die. Here is a definition of CMOS... very simply put, it's a type of transistor (and can refer to a design style built using CMOS FETs (FETs are "field effect transistors")).
 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: Vegitto
Woah! $32,300 for Massachusetts Inst. of Technology ?! I fuc[/i]ing hope that's not per year. Is it?

Yes, it is.

Oh.
My.
Fuc[/i]king.
God.

How would anyone be able to pay for this? How long do you attend such a school, on average? 4 years? 6? I'd better start saving and working for it :p.

Lots of loans, or merit- and need-based financial aid.

Wow, thanks. I read the whole thread, but I don't exactly grasp this concept of "CMOS" and "VSLI". CMOS is the language for BIOS programming? Or is it some kind of sensor, since there are CMOS camera's, too? Could you recommend an easy book for me, since I'm just in high school about this stuff?
VLSI is just an abbreviation for "very large scale integration", i.e. putting many many transistors on a die. Here is a definition of CMOS... very simply put, it's a type of transistor (and can refer to a design style built using CMOS FETs (FETs are "field effect transistors")).

Ah. Loans. I hate them. Anyway, could you (please) recommend me a book about CMOS and VLSI? I'd like to be ahead of time, and know what I need to know, so college won't be so hard.
 

CTho9305

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Anyway, could you (please) recommend me a book about CMOS and VLSI? I'd like to be ahead of time, and know what I need to know, so college won't be so hard.
The book pm recommended earlier is good. It's hard reading though. Keep in mind that of the 7 semesters of my undergrad, only one course (junior year) was actually specifically about VLSI design, and that course didn't go into very much depth. "Computer Organization & Design" (see earlier posts) is the text book for the junior-level intro computer architecture class.
edit: For me, the harder stuff was the math (in EE classes)... I have no book recommendations related to that.
 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: CTho9305
Anyway, could you (please) recommend me a book about CMOS and VLSI? I'd like to be ahead of time, and know what I need to know, so college won't be so hard.
The book pm recommended earlier is good. It's hard reading though. Keep in mind that of the 7 semesters of my undergrad, only one course (junior year) was actually specifically about VLSI design, and that course didn't go into very much depth. "Computer Organization & Design" (see earlier posts) is the text book for the junior-level intro computer architecture class.
edit: For me, the harder stuff was the math (in EE classes)... I have no book recommendations related to that.

I can't find any of those books, could you please help, please?
 

MobiusPizza

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Damn I am studying in a wrong country
None of ATi, nVidia, Intel, AMD site mentions jobs in UK
damn
 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
Damn I am studying in a wrong country
None of ATi, nVidia, Intel, AMD site mentions jobs in UK
damn

Meh, that's not important. I plan on moving when I'm out of high school anyways. I planned it before I wanted to do this. You should, too.
 

djhuber82

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Vegitto, check out Cal's webcast for EE 141:
http://webcast.berkeley.edu/courses/index.php

Note that you can view archived lectures from previous semesters.

It's not a textbook, but it's free. Keep in mind this is an upper division class at one of the top 3 EE schools. I never took 141 but I took 140 and 150; they were HARD.