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How good will Pascal be?

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desura

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Right now I am running a 750ti. PReviously I had a 560ti. the 750 is slightly slower but it consumes 60% less power. I've thought about getting a 960, but am curious about how much a jump pascal will be.
 
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Seriously though, I would wait and see. A 960 isn't a big enough improvement to make a noticeable difference, and we're on the verge of the next generation. Save your money and wait.
 
It looks like there's a reasonable chance of Polaris coming out first, so that might be a decent indicator. Overall though, there's room for a huge possible variation in performance because there's a lot of new stuff coming out all at once.
 
Something like doubled performance seems ball park.

That's normalised watt for watt though and goodness knows what they'll do with all the different cards they release/when the stack of cards rolls out.
 
Mid range pascal will be "alright", but the real pascal cards will be out around mid 2017 or 2018 and those will be "good".
 
He's running a 750ti and thinking of a 960 so I seriously doubt he's looking at big pascal levels of performance here 🙂
 
moonbogg said:
Mid range pascal will be "alright", but the real pascal cards will be out around mid 2017 or 2018 and those will be "good".
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When do you expect the 980 equivalent to be released? I'm assuming this is just your best guess? I'm looking to upgrade my 770 for an Oculus Rift, which I expect I'll get in June.
 
steve wilson said:
When do you expect the 980 equivalent to be released? I'm assuming this is just your best guess? I'm looking to upgrade my 770 for an Oculus Rift, which I expect I'll get in June.
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Looks like 4Q 2016 but who knows. The only products that would be out by June seem like the GP100 Titan and maybe some portion of Polaris.
 
I have the same question as the OP. I would consider getting a 960 now, but will probably wait for a card under $200 some time next year or even in 2017. I don't game, I want a new card for encoding and rendering.

My current expectation, and this is only a guess, is that it will only be ~10+15% faster for a given price point. I know there are rumors of huge gains, but I think it is just optimism. We haven't seen huge gains from generation to generation in years, even if this is a smaller process I expect good but not phenomenal gains. Of course, I hope I'm wrong. But it should also run cooler and on even less power than a 960.
 
desura said:
Right now I am running a 750ti. PReviously I had a 560ti. the 750 is slightly slower but it consumes 60% less power. I've thought about getting a 960, but am curious about how much a jump pascal will be.
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As to why the power draw is important to you?
 
steve wilson said:
The GP100 Titan...is that the ridiculously expensive one?
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Yes. Guru3d has a rumor on their news page that the big Pascal GPU will be released in April this year. They always cost at least $1,000.00, but remember, the same cards used to cost about $500.00.
 
moonbogg said:
Mid range pascal will be "alright", but the real pascal cards will be out around mid 2017 or 2018 and those will be "good".
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Can I ask for a source on this? I'd be shocked if Nvidia releases the highest end Pascal chip in mid 2016 but then the Pascal Ti chips come out in mid 2017 or 2018. I'm really hoping for strong competition this round.
 
I think the only reason to buy a 950/960 now would be if you absolutely NEED HEVC hardware decoding and HDMI 2.0. Other than that, there are some much better deals out there for gaming-per-dollar.
 
moonbogg said:
Yes. Guru3d has a rumor on their news page that the big Pascal GPU will be released in April this year. They always cost at least $1,000.00, but remember, the same cards used to cost about $500.00.
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I'd be expecting it in HPC trim for a few thousand at least for a good few months to a year before a consumer version drops, like the OG Titan.
 
I'd be shocked if they released the full capabilities of the Pascal architecture up front. They stopped doing that a long time ago because it made too much sense and was too good for the consumer in terms of price/perf.
They decided it was better for their wallet to charge us the same price, but release the cheap mid range crap up front and pretend like it was the good stuff. Also, it made too much sense to release the best first, because that would actually give the consumer what they want, which was to have the best the architecture has to offer for the lifespan of the architecture. That makes way too much sense so they had to put a stop to that crap right away.
By doing this, they increased the upgrade cadence dramatically for gamers and enthusiasts. It used to be when you buy a high end GPU, you literally forgot about it for the next 2 years because you know nothing better was coming out for a long time. The way things are now, there is something a little faster coming out every 6 months or so and it doesn't matter if you buy high end or mid range. They release them in such a way so that next gens mid range comes out right after this gen's high end, so you buy the new mid range, but then next gen's high end comes out (which you thought you just bought a few months ago but you were mistaken because you really bought the mid range) and you wouldn't know the difference because the cost of mid range and high end cards are the same.
 
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