How good is Opteron in photoshop?

[AMDrulZ]

Hi i need to know how good Opteron 100/200 series do in photoshop. Because i am helping a teacher at a high school that does the year book. and he uses photoshop most of the time. but the computers he has at home can't keep up with him. i think the fastest computer he has is a pentium 3 so i figured that an opteron system can handle the photo shop program better. and the fact that opterons can have more memory than athlon 64's

will opteron be the better choice?

or dose intel pentium-4 / intel xeon do better?

 

[Jeff7181]

If I'm not mistaken, Athlon 64's and Opterons have the same RAM capabilities/limitations. Windows limits the amount of RAM you can use, not the CPU's.

Pentium 4's with HT are slightly faster in Photoshop than Athlon 64's because Photoshop is multithreaded. However, the X2 takes the lead as seen here and here.

If you take a look here and compare the results in the other links, you'll see that the Pentium D 820 will provide the most Photoshop bang for the buck, at only ~$250, plus the cost of the motherboard and RAM. When the cheaper X2's come out, they might be a better value seeing as how you can use ant cheap (<$100) 939 motherboard and stick 2-4 GB of the cheapest PC3200 RAM you can find and get really good perforamnce. But for now, I think the Pentium D 820 is the best option.

 

[AMDrulZ]

I was referring to the Opteron 200 series chip's there mother boards can hold more ram I should have been more specific sorry about that.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: AMDrulZ
I was referring to the Opteron 200 series chip's there mother boards can hold more ram I should have been more specific sorry about that.

So you're looking for a dual Opteron setup?

 

[AMDrulZ]

I was looking at Opteron 100 series or 200 series for him or Intel pentium-4 or Intel Xeon it don't matter to me i just want to make him a pc that will work good for what he does.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: AMDrulZ
I was looking at Opteron 100 series or 200 series for him or Intel pentium-4 or Intel Xeon it don't matter to me i just want to make him a pc that will work good for what he does.

Well the 200 series is for dual CPU workstations. You can't just get a dual socket motherboard and stick a single CPU in it and expect to use all the memory slots.

So... are you planning on building a dual CPU workstation? Or will that be out of his price range? If cost is no issue, get a dual CPU motherboard and put a couple dual core Opterons in it, lol.

 

[AMDrulZ]

That is the problem he is very price constrained. And a dual Opteron setup will fit into his price range but barely. I was thinking about a Pentium-D but I wouldn?t wish that piece of crap processor on anybody. Ok a bit harsh but still. On the bright side they are cheap and would most likely get they job done. And i was looking toward a dual CPU set up you can Get Opteron 240,242,244 pretty damn cheap and can have 2 times as much memory than a Pentium-D board. Because of each CPU have 4 memory sockets on some boards.
Sorry for taking so long to write a response I am writing responses to other thing's to so bare with me LOL!!!

 

[dguy6789]

What you could do is get a Dual Core Opteron on a dual cpu board, then upgrade to a second processor later if need be.

On another note, the Pentium D series processors are FAR from pieces of crap. They perform worse than the Athlon 64 X2 series by a bit, but they will trounce any of your single core cpus in a multitasking/multithreading scenario.

The Pentium D 820 is probably one of the best deals out there. In single threaded apps, you get the power of a 2.8Ghz P4, which is not the fastest out there, but it is BY NO MEANS terrible. In multithreaded apps, you get performance that just a few years back could only be obtained by using very expensive server class processors in a multi cpu configuration.

All this for under $250. I would jump on this processor in an instant if I needed multi threaded performance for cheap.

 

[Furen]

I'd go for an X2 over a dual opteron workstation. You can get a pair of opterons for cheaper on ebay but you still have to buy a dual opteron motherboard and the registered ram (both of which are more expensive) so you'll probably end up being close in price anyway. Also, an X2 system will use a lot less power than a dual 130nm processor system.

About the ram: how much ram do you plan on using? an X2 system can use 4x1GB dimms. Here are the drawbacks to going Opteron, as related to ram:

Registered Ram is slower, even at same latencies and you can get unregistered dimms that run at tighter timings.

Registered DRAM is a bit more expensive (I'd say around 20-40% more expensive, at least).

The higher densities are way way out there pricewise (2GB for 430-700 bucks...).

If you use all 4 DIMM slots on one of the Opterons, they lower the ram speed to 333MHz.

 

[biostud]

Get X2 or Pentium D, Dual CPU systems would most likely be overkill.
I doubt that more tha 2Gb ram would be needed, but both systems can take up to 4Gb.

 

[Jeff7181]

If price is an issue definately get the Pentium D 820.

But... since you said a dual Opteron setup is just barely within his budget, and you won't find dual Opterons for less than $500, I'm assuming you can afford to spend $500 on the processor, in which case I recommend the X2 4200+ or 4600+. The reason I don't suggest the 4800+ or 4400+ is because those have 1 MB L2 cache, which doesn't even amount to a 1% performance difference in Photoshop. The 3800+ and 4000+ you'll see in the graphs I linked to in a previous post both run at 2.4 GHz... but the 4000+ has 1 MB L2 cache and the 3800+ has 512 KB.
The 4200+ should outperform the Pentium D 820 as well... no surprise that it costs twice as much.

The X2 system will also have an overall snappier feel because of the lower memory latency due to the on die memory controllers.

 

[AMDrulZ]

Yea I think I will go with the dual core options they are better for what he does and they can be a little cheaper also. He uses 2.8 GHz pentium-4 Northwood?s at school and they do ok in Photoshop. So maybe I will have to go to the Pentium-D 820 for him because of the cost of the X2. Or I could wait and see how much the X2 3800 or X2 4000 model's will be if they come out soon.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: AMDrulZ
Yea I think I will go with the dual core options they are better for what he does and they can be a little cheaper also. He uses 2.8 GHz pentium-4 Northwood?s at school and they do ok in Photoshop. So maybe I will have to go to the Pentium-D 820 for him because of the cost of the X2. Or I could wait and see how much the X2 3800 or X2 4000 model's will be if they come out soon.

You could also go with the Pentium D 830 for about $350. Two cores running at 3.0 GHz. So even in single threaded apps it would be slightly faster than he's used to at the school.

 

[AMDrulZ]

I think that the 820 or 830 will work much better than his current system. He is using an older dell and it is ok but he needs more speed and its only 32 bit and has limited upgrade possibilities so I think a new pc is in order. And both the X2 and Pentium-D have the AMD64 instruction set. And they both have decent up grade paths. So I am going with one of the two. Most likely will be going with the Pentium-D because they are the value option right now.

 

[phaxmohdem]

What ever happened to the days where yearbooks were made on an art table with jillions of photos and an X-acto knife?

My vote PentiumD 830 + Mobo + 2-4GB RAM in your case if money is an issue. IF not, perhaps he can persuade the school higher ups... that he Desperately needs a dual opteron 275 setup with 8GB RAM and RAID... (That'd only set you back bout 5-7 G's )

 

[AMDrulZ]

Well it look's like I am going with the Pentium-D even though it is a piece of s*it but it is a cheap piece of s*it he can afford so Intel it is. D*mn I hate those Intel f*cks

 

[dguy6789]

Being brand loyal is not very wise.

 

[AMDrulZ]

Ain't got nothing to do with loyalty just don't like the Smithfield dual core chip they are a half ass excuse for a dual core but they are cheap and that is why I am going with one for that teacher. It?s just hard to go and help the man buy a piece of s*it like that it just don't seem right, damn it.

 

[AMDrulZ]

I would gladly accept a Pentium-4 or Pentium-D if it were given to me but I will be damned if I go and buy one!!! LOL

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: AMDrulZ
Hi i need to know how good Opteron 100/200 series do in photoshop. Because i am helping a teacher at a high school that does the year book. and he uses photoshop most of the time. but the computers he has at home can't keep up with him. i think the fastest computer he has is a pentium 3 so i figured that an opteron system can handle the photo shop program better. and the fact that opterons can have more memory than athlon 64's

will opteron be the better choice?

or dose intel pentium-4 / intel xeon do better?

For Photoshop, dual core is the way to go...as others have said, even a Pentium D is better than a single core CPU. The better dual core is obviously the AMD, and the price difference for a SYSTEM is going to be pretty close depending on what you are looking for. I would suggest waiting 2 weeks and getting the AMD X2 3800 if money is tight...this would probably be cheaper than the Pentium D (with new mobo) or at the worst about the same. Performance will be better and heat will be less on the AMD...

 

[colincsl]

If you are going to get the 830 or higher, you might as well wait a week for the X2 3800s to come out. Supposedly they will be $345 for dual 2ghz 512kb L2 cache/core

 

[AMDrulZ]

I will only go 820 or 830 nothing higher the cost difference between the 820 and 830 isn?t worth it, and any higher on the price of the Pentium-D won't be worth it. So if I go any higher on the price I will just go and get the X2. His budget is only like $1000 for the tower he doesn?t need a monitor or any thing like that. So I figured a Pentium-D 820 system for what he does will be fine.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: AMDrulZ
I will only go 820 or 830 nothing higher the cost difference between the 820 and 830 isn?t worth it, and any higher on the price of the Pentium-D won't be worth it. So if I go any higher on the price I will just go and get the X2. His budget is only like $1000 for the tower he doesn?t need a monitor or any thing like that. So I figured a Pentium-D 820 system for what he does will be fine.

For under $1000, you can get a really good X2 3800 system with 2GB Ram, Antec 480w 2.0 PSU, Aluminum case, Asus A8N-E mobo...everything but the drives...
Available in 2 weeks...

 

[AMDrulZ]

I will have to look at his case it is a dell system that he has now i think it is a Pentium three or an early pentium-4 most likely early pentium-4 i could remove all of the old dell/Intel component?s and replace them with a asus motherboard and put the X2 3800 in and have what a dell should be. i think it will kind of be funny to put an AMD into a dell. Plus the case would mach all of his other thing's like keyboard, mouse, speaker's' monitor. And if he wants to make it look cool I could mod the case with 80mm fan's or something with neon light's and I will replace the power supply with one of the nicer one's with the neon fan's and he will have a bad ass dell system. Only thing-to-find out if his case I full atx or micro atx. But they make nice micro atx board's hell it would save some money doing that way and it would be fun for me. LOL

 

[AMDrulZ]

Yea I think that the modified dell would work. Because it already has a CD-ROM and floppy drive i will replace the CD-ROM with a HP-light scribe drive because it would make it easier on him to label the CD's plus it make's it fun to label the CD's he is a teacher after all and need's organization. LOL