How freaking long does it take to impeach a governor?

[umbrella39]

The 1 was probably someone he had promised the seat to. Good bye POS Blago.

 

[Dissipate]

Can someone explain the logic as to why it is bad to sell a political office to the highest bidder?

 

[Lemon law]

I can only add the link from yahoo news.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...k96ToXu8DwqaSEHCes0NUE

But what sealed the deal, IMHO, is a sworn affidavit from a FBI agent describing the wiretap evidence and how the shakedown pay to play tactics of Blagojevich. And with a few other charges thrown in, the Ill House voted impeachment 114-1 as vague and nebulous charges suddenly become very real and something totally tangible.

Next up if an Illinois Senate trial, and if they vote to convict by the required margin, Blago will be out.

As some Blago critics observe, the Blago silence is deafening. Blago thought his denial would work, he declined to defend himself from impeachment, he was asked not to appoint an Obama replacement until this cloud was resolved but did anyway, and now he has had his arrogant bluff called.

And if the Illinois Senate votes to convict Blago, there is no possible court appeal, and even as a democrat, good riddance to bad rubbish is the principle that must guide us all.

In terms of a replacement, Lt. Governor Quinn is waiting in the wings, and Quinn has a reputation as a squeaky clean reformer.

Let us restore public confidence in Government, as Blogo joins the list of the 7 other impeached State Governors in US history.

 

[BoomerD]

My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

They should put him in menard. have his arrogant chicago ass spend time in the bottom south of illinois.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

That didn't stop you libs from harping on George W. Bush.

 

[nageov3t]

is this going to affect Burris at all?

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Can someone explain the logic as to why it is bad to sell a political office to the highest bidder?

/taps sarcasm meter...

HISTORY.

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: BoomerD
My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

That didn't stop you libs from harping on George W. Bush.

Apples -----------> Oranges
Nice troll attempt

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: BoomerD
My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

That didn't stop you libs from harping on George W. Bush.

First off...Democrat I am...Liberal I'm not...so piss off.

Next, Bush, as our nation's highest elected official SHOULD be "harped on" for everything he does wrong. Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Then, as much as I'd like to see it happen, Bush will never be formally charged with anything...Cheney either. BOTH probably should be charged with a variety of crimes for their lies to the American people, with the wrongful deaths of our troops in their illegal war in Iraq, for allowing a myriad of environmental raping by their corporate supporters, all in pursuit of the Almighty Dollar...

I'd also like to see them both charged with war crimes for Iraq...but it ain't gonna happen...

Youse neocons have "harped on" Clinton for years...why do you think your boy deserves any better treatment?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Bush will never be formally charged with anything...Cheney either. BOTH probably should be charged with a variety of crimes for their lies to the American people, with the wrongful deaths of our troops in their illegal war in Iraq, for allowing a myriad of environmental raping by their corporate supporters, all in pursuit of the Almighty Dollar.

as bad as all the stuff you listed looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything.

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: SecPro

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
cnn.com

Being raised in Illinois, this is kind of embarassing. This is 2nd Governor we've had that has essentially been a bad guy.

I'm not sure on what happens after impeachment, does this impeachment stick, and does he face any legal consequences stemming from this particular ruling?

The vote was 114-1. Has anyone seen who the "one" was and why? I have total respect for secret balloting but I'm really curious.

Link

The one lawmaker voting against impeachment was Rep. Milton Patterson, a Chicago Demorcrat who represents the South Side. Rep Elga Jefferies, also a Chicago Democrat, voted present.

Patterson said he wasn't defending anyone, but that he read the impeachment committee's report and wasn't comfortable voting against the governor. "I have no firsthand knowledge of any of the evidence," he said.

"I went by my own gut feeling, it's as simple as that," he said. "I read the report. If the government is going to indict him, let them go ahead and do that. That's their job and I'm doing my job."

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Bush will never be formally charged with anything...Cheney either. BOTH probably should be charged with a variety of crimes for their lies to the American people, with the wrongful deaths of our troops in their illegal war in Iraq, for allowing a myriad of environmental raping by their corporate supporters, all in pursuit of the Almighty Dollar.

as bad as all the stuff you listed looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything.

...nor have they been tried. I think his point is that we need to get on that...

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Can someone explain the logic as to why it is bad to sell a political office to the highest bidder?

/taps sarcasm meter...

HISTORY.

History shows that those with money have a much better shot at getting into political office anyways.

Blago is actually my hero in a twisted sense. Instead of being shady about profiting from his political privilege, he simply tried to sell it outright to the highest bidder. He should actually get an entrepreneurship award for applying sound business practices to his political position. The man had an asset and he tried to sell it, I don't see that as something to get up in arms about.

 

[Arkaign]

Exactly, I wasn't referring to Burris whatsoever, but to Blago.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: BoomerD
My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

That didn't stop you libs from harping on George W. Bush.

Maybe he should just pull executive privilege... :roll:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
cnn.com

Being raised in Illinois, this is kind of embarassing. This is 2nd Governor we've had that has essentially been a bad guy.

You should be getting used to it by now. Three of the past eight governors before Blago were convicted on charges of corruption and bribery. :Q

Governor Rod Blagojevich Democrat, has been making top headlines with his arrest on corruption charges including pay-for-play and allegedly attempting to sell the U.S. Senate seat vacated by President Barack Obama. Blagojevich is not the first Illinois governor to land in legal hot water. Of the past eight Illinois governors, three of them were convicted and did time in federal prison for criminal activity. Illinois governors who have served time in prison include George Ryan, Daniel Walker and Otto Kerner, Jr.

Originally posted by: loozar111

Originally posted by: BoomerD

My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

That didn't stop you libs from harping on George W. Bush.

Are you trying to tell us your Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang aren't guilty of treason, murder, torture, war crimes and other crimes against humanity? Do I have to post one or more of my "macros" documenting their crimes to prove how full of sh8 you are? :shocked:

And just for grins, are you trying to tell us that the crimes committed by either Bush or Blago excuses the crimes of the other? :roll:

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
cnn.com

Being raised in Illinois, this is kind of embarassing. This is 2nd Governor we've had that has essentially been a bad guy.

You should be getting used to it by now. Three of the past eight governors before Blago were convicted on charges of corruption and bribery. :Q

Governor Rod Blagojevich Democrat, has been making top headlines with his arrest on corruption charges including pay-for-play and allegedly attempting to sell the U.S. Senate seat vacated by President Barack Obama. Blagojevich is not the first Illinois governor to land in legal hot water. Of the past eight Illinois governors, three of them were convicted and did time in federal prison for criminal activity. Illinois governors who have served time in prison include George Ryan, Daniel Walker and Otto Kerner, Jr.

Originally posted by: loozar111

Originally posted by: BoomerD

My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

That didn't stop you libs from harping on George W. Bush.

Are you trying to tell us your Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang aren't guilty of treason, murder, torture, war crimes and other crimes against humanity? Do I have to post one or more of my "macros" documenting their crimes to prove how full of sh8 you are? :shocked:

And just for grins, are you trying to tell us that the crimes committed by either Bush or Blago excuses the crimes of the other? :roll:

Harvey, you left out the kiss my ass part. :laugh:

 

[Lemon law]

The problem is, if we wait for Federal Prosecutors to bring Blago to court, wait for him to get a trial date which various legal maneuvering can stall for years, and then wait and hope until he is actually convicted, we would be probably talking 2012 or so and Blago could easily do so without breaking a sweat.

Does anyone think we should wait so long? Its why the US constitution and all the State constitutions have impeachment for corrupt PUBLIC OFFICIALS written in as a safeguard against exactly that corrupt public official possibility.

Technically, a majority party could abuse impeachment to get rid of political opponents, but given the relative paucity of impeachment being used in US history, its rarely been mis-used. Although I could cite the case of Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, and in those cases they both failed in the Senate convict phase.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The problem is, if we wait for Federal Prosecutors to bring Blago to court, wait for him to get a trial date which various legal maneuvering can stall for years, and then wait and hope until he is actually convicted, we would be probably talking 2012 or so and Blago could easily do so without breaking a sweat.

Does anyone think we should wait so long? Its why the US constitution and all the State constitutions have impeachment for corrupt PUBLIC OFFICIALS written in as a safeguard against exactly that corruption
public official possibility.

Technically, a majority party could abuse impeachment to get rid of political opponents, but given the relative paucity of impeachment being used in US history, its rarely been mis-used. Although I could cite the case of Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, adn in those cases they both failed in the Senate convict phase.

The waiting isn't a surprise considering it takes much much longer to sentence a murderer who's obviously guilty.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
cnn.com

Being raised in Illinois, this is kind of embarassing. This is 2nd Governor we've had that has essentially been a bad guy.

You should be getting used to it by now. Three of the past eight governors before Blago were convicted on charges of corruption and bribery. :Q

Governor Rod Blagojevich Democrat, has been making top headlines with his arrest on corruption charges including pay-for-play and allegedly attempting to sell the U.S. Senate seat vacated by President Barack Obama. Blagojevich is not the first Illinois governor to land in legal hot water. Of the past eight Illinois governors, three of them were convicted and did time in federal prison for criminal activity. Illinois governors who have served time in prison include George Ryan, Daniel Walker and Otto Kerner, Jr.

Originally posted by: loozar111

Originally posted by: BoomerD

My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

That didn't stop you libs from harping on George W. Bush.

Are you trying to tell us your Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang aren't guilty of treason, murder, torture, war crimes and other crimes against humanity? Do I have to post one or more of my "macros" documenting their crimes to prove how full of sh8 you are? :shocked:

And just for grins, are you trying to tell us that the crimes committed by either Bush or Blago excuses the crimes of the other? :roll:

I believe what he's getting at is that some people are up in arms over waiting for the trial, innocent until proven guilty, etc while at the same time willing to call a republican a traitor who's guilty of treason, murder, torture, war crimes, and crimes against humanity at the drop of a hat despite the same lack of trial or conviction.

 

[cyclohexane]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Can someone explain the logic as to why it is bad to sell a political office to the highest bidder?

/taps sarcasm meter...

HISTORY.

History shows that those with money have a much better shot at getting into political office anyways.

Blago is actually my hero in a twisted sense. Instead of being shady about profiting from his political privilege, he simply tried to sell it outright to the highest bidder. He should actually get an entrepreneurship award for applying sound business practices to his political position. The man had an asset and he tried to sell it, I don't see that as something to get up in arms about.

ah, but people want the illusion that they have choice.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Can someone explain the logic as to why it is bad to sell a political office to the highest bidder?

/taps sarcasm meter...

HISTORY.

History shows that those with money have a much better shot at getting into political office anyways.

Blago is actually my hero in a twisted sense. Instead of being shady about profiting from his political privilege, he simply tried to sell it outright to the highest bidder. He should actually get an entrepreneurship award for applying sound business practices to his political position. The man had an asset and he tried to sell it, I don't see that as something to get up in arms about.

Since when is breaking the law a sound business practice (you're assuming that he did attempt to sell the seat, so I think it's OK for me to make that assumption too)?

Nice try. :roll:

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
cnn.com

Being raised in Illinois, this is kind of embarassing. This is 2nd Governor we've had that has essentially been a bad guy.

You should be getting used to it by now. Three of the past eight governors before Blago were convicted on charges of corruption and bribery. :Q

Governor Rod Blagojevich Democrat, has been making top headlines with his arrest on corruption charges including pay-for-play and allegedly attempting to sell the U.S. Senate seat vacated by President Barack Obama. Blagojevich is not the first Illinois governor to land in legal hot water. Of the past eight Illinois governors, three of them were convicted and did time in federal prison for criminal activity. Illinois governors who have served time in prison include George Ryan, Daniel Walker and Otto Kerner, Jr.

Originally posted by: loozar111

Originally posted by: BoomerD

My only concern is that as bad as it looks, he hasn't been convicted of anything...YET.

Yes, it LOOKS like the guy is a typical corrupt Illinois politician.

It LOOKS like the feds have enough evidence to bury him.

BUT, he hasn't had his day in court...yet.

Once that's done, if he's found guilty, (and I presume he will) impeach him and send him to Joliet or one of the Federal Penitentaries...NOT one of the fancy-schmancy country clubs like Martha Stewart vacationed at. Someplace like Lompoc, Leavenworth, or ???

That didn't stop you libs from harping on George W. Bush.

Are you trying to tell us your Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang aren't guilty of treason, murder, torture, war crimes and other crimes against humanity? Do I have to post one or more of my "macros" documenting their crimes to prove how full of sh8 you are? :shocked:

And just for grins, are you trying to tell us that the crimes committed by either Bush or Blago excuses the crimes of the other? :roll:

I believe what he's getting at is that some people are up in arms over waiting for the trial, innocent until proven guilty, etc while at the same time willing to call a republican a traitor who's guilty of treason, murder, torture, war crimes, and crimes against humanity at the drop of a hat despite the same lack of trial or conviction.

Yea, hahah at that list against bush. what a wacko.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: loozar111

That didn't stop you libs from harping on George W. Bush.

Are you trying to tell us your Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang aren't guilty of treason, murder, torture, war crimes and other crimes against humanity? Do I have to post one or more of my "macros" documenting their crimes to prove how full of sh8 you are? :shocked:

And just for grins, are you trying to tell us that the crimes committed by either Bush or Blago excuses the crimes of the other? :roll:

I believe what he's getting at is that some people are up in arms over waiting for the trial, innocent until proven guilty, etc while at the same time willing to call a republican a traitor who's guilty of treason, murder, torture, war crimes, and crimes against humanity at the drop of a hat despite the same lack of trial or conviction.

I'd like to believe that, but that's not what he said, either in this post or anything he's posted on the forums.

More significantly, the charges against Blago are far more than mere accusations. He was arrested on charges filed by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, who stated that the evidence against Blago includes recorded conversations showing his involvement in more than just the crime of attempting to auction off Obama's Senate seat. He's also charged with threatening to rescind an $8 million grant to Children's Memorial Hospital because the hospital's CEO refused to send the governor a $50,000 campaign contribution and other criminal acts.

Fitzgerald has an excellent reputation for integrity and a history as a strong criminal prosecutor. I would be very suprised if he doesn't have strong evidence to support the charges, but if not, Blago will be a very rich man after the law suits.

OTOH, I'm not an attorney, but even I can make the case against Bush and his gang for their multiple felonies, and it doesn't take much searching to find lots of well known, competent legal authorites who agree.