how fast is an F1 or CART car in the 1/4? *NOT A NASCAR THREAD*

[Triumph]

Yes, an F1 car does not exactly shine in the 1/4 mile. I've seen numbers around 9-10 seconds. More importantly though is the time to 150, 175, and 200 mph. They absolutely trump anything else out there (with the exception of Top Fuel, but those things are built for one purpose only).

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Yes, an F1 car does not exactly shine in the 1/4 mile. I've seen numbers around 9-10 seconds. More importantly though is the time to 150, 175, and 200 mph. They absolutely trump anything else out there (with the exception of Top Fuel, but those things are built for one purpose only).

And possibly land speed racers. But those also will beat out F1 in the 250-300 and 300-400MPH acceleration range.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: Buttzilla

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I never said it would.

If it's running a 0-100mph time of 1.2 seconds, then it's going to come bloody well close to a Top Fuel Dragster. Or didn't you think about that number and the implications it would have on 1/4 mile time at all before you posted it?

ZV

The acceleration curve for an F1 car is not linear. Aerodynamic drag would not allow it to keep accelerating at that rate. So, yes, I did think about that.

dragsters drag quite a bit as well. need to keep that nose down and the rear planted.

I heard a few years ago that Champ cars make enough downforce that you could actually drive the car upside down at speeds over 150mph. Don't know if that's true or not though.

i heard about this also.

Add me to the list. I guess we watch the same TV shows.

 

[boyRacer]

Like previously said... it depends on gearing.

Nothing can touch a top fuel/funny car in a drag race. I dont even when know why theyre being compared.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: bR
Like previously said... it depends on gearing.

Nothing can touch a top fuel/funny car in a drag race. I dont even when know why theyre being compared.

They aren't...or at least that was not the intent of the original poster. I never tried to make a comparison between the two anyway. F1 rules over all other forms of motorsport though.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: bR
Like previously said... it depends on gearing.

Nothing can touch a top fuel/funny car in a drag race. I dont even when know why theyre being compared.

Neither do I. Top Fuel and Funny cars were built with similar purposes (hell, were nearly the same cars when they were first conceived X decades ago, one evolved from the other), but a F1/CART car has a completely different purpose.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: bR
Like previously said... it depends on gearing.

Nothing can touch a top fuel/funny car in a drag race. I dont even when know why theyre being compared.

They aren't...or at least that was not the intent of the original poster. I never tried to make a comparison between the two anyway. F1 rules over all other forms of motorsport though.

...and f1 cars get better gas mileage! lol.

 

[boyRacer]

there is a proposal in the works for the next concorde agreement in F1... schedule for 2008. if that goes through... we will see some dractic changes...

Engines displacement is reduced to 2.4L... all driver aids are banned... cars will go back to h-gates... no more semi-automatic shifting (paddles)... are among the changes. Current cars over 900hp from 3.0L V10s and displacement change will probably drop them back to 600-700... so those F1 cars will now be slower in the 1/4 mile...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: bR
there is a proposal in the works for the next concorde agreement in F1... schedule for 2008. if that goes through... we will see some dractic changes...

Engines displacement is reduced to 2.4L... all driver aids are banned... cars will go back to h-gates... no more semi-automatic shifting (paddles)... are among the changes. Current cars over 900hp from 3.0L V10s and displacement change will probably drop them back to 600-700... so those F1 cars will now be slower in the 1/4 mile...

I seriously doubt that will adopted though. Don't all the teams have to agree to it in order for the rules to be enacted?

 

[boyRacer]

GPWC (Mercedes, BMW, Ford, FIAT, etc.) is again threatening to make their own breakaway series after the current concorde agreement expires in 2007 because theyre supposedly not happy with how the money is going around. BMW and Ferrari are even suggesting that they will quit everything altogether. F1 without Ferrari will not succeed IMHO. So even before they can consider that technical regulation proposal... i think they need to sort this out first.

 

[TRDGT]

I know this is not the topic, but just more info.
I have spoken to several CART drivers at various races, and they say the big thing is not acceleration but DEcceleration!!!!!!. That's where a lot of g's come into play.
It's amazing to watch the CART cars at Mid-Ohio come to the end of the straight away and go into a turn.
The first time we were there even my wife said "I can't beleive how fast they slow down".
Too bad CART is just about done, it was a great series.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: TRDGT
I know this is not the topic, but just more info.
I have spoken to several CART drivers at various races, and they say the big thing is not acceleration but DEcceleration!!!!!!. That's where a lot of g's come into play.
It's amazing to watch the CART cars at Mid-Ohio come to the end of the straight away and go into a turn.
The first time we were there even my wife said "I can't beleive how fast they slow down".
Too bad CART is just about done, it was a great series.

OWRS is doing an ok job... i was at the LB GP walking around... if they can keep pulling this off... maybe they'll survive. i still think having two seperate open wheel series is causing more harm to themselves to the IRL and CART.

CART has steel brakes... and as impressive as those are... F1 has carbon... I believe the braking distances of CART cars is halved just because of that. Thats too bad because increasing that distance is probably better from a fan's point of view because it provides a bigger window for overtaking... not like the F1 parades you see led by a red Ferrari.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: bR
CART has steel brakes... and as impressive as those are... F1 has carbon... I believe the braking distances of CART cars is halved just because of that. Thats too bad because increasing that distance is probably better from a fan's point of view because it provides a bigger window for overtaking... not like the F1 parades you see led by a red Ferrari.

Those carbon fiber brakes are f*cking insane, i was reading some article that f1 cars with those brakes do 60-0 in 55 feet or so. :Q

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: bR
GPWC (Mercedes, BMW, Ford, FIAT, etc.) is again threatening to make their own breakaway series after the current concorde agreement expires in 2007 because theyre supposedly not happy with how the money is going around. BMW and Ferrari are even suggesting that they will quit everything altogether. F1 without Ferrari will not succeed IMHO. So even before they can consider that technical regulation proposal... i think they need to sort this out first.

Why would Ferrari and BMW threaten to pull out? Aren't they being helped by the FIA/F1 folks?

If anyone would be pissed I figure it would be the lower order & independent teams.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR
GPWC (Mercedes, BMW, Ford, FIAT, etc.) is again threatening to make their own breakaway series after the current concorde agreement expires in 2007 because theyre supposedly not happy with how the money is going around. BMW and Ferrari are even suggesting that they will quit everything altogether. F1 without Ferrari will not succeed IMHO. So even before they can consider that technical regulation proposal... i think they need to sort this out first.

Why would Ferrari and BMW threaten to pull out? Aren't they being helped by the FIA/F1 folks?

If anyone would be pissed I figure it would be the lower order & independent teams.

Well... the GPWC is not happy with the revenue they're getting from F1. Its a lot more complicated than one sentence but yes the smaller teams will always have a crappy end of any deal.

They cancelled the thought of the breakaway series a couple of months ago... but it seems that discussions have broken down after the Imola race last week.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR
GPWC (Mercedes, BMW, Ford, FIAT, etc.) is again threatening to make their own breakaway series after the current concorde agreement expires in 2007 because theyre supposedly not happy with how the money is going around. BMW and Ferrari are even suggesting that they will quit everything altogether. F1 without Ferrari will not succeed IMHO. So even before they can consider that technical regulation proposal... i think they need to sort this out first.

Why would Ferrari and BMW threaten to pull out? Aren't they being helped by the FIA/F1 folks?

If anyone would be pissed I figure it would be the lower order & independent teams.

Well... the GPWC is not happy with the revenue they're getting from F1. Its a lot more complicated than one sentence but yes the smaller teams will always have a crappy end of any deal.

They cancelled the thought of the breakaway series a couple of months ago... but it seems that discussions have broken down after the Imola race last week.

What's GPWC?

 

[boyRacer]

Here's part of the story... not updated but gives a brief history of events.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: TRDGT
I know this is not the topic, but just more info.
I have spoken to several CART drivers at various races, and they say the big thing is not acceleration but DEcceleration!!!!!!. That's where a lot of g's come into play.
It's amazing to watch the CART cars at Mid-Ohio come to the end of the straight away and go into a turn.
The first time we were there even my wife said "I can't beleive how fast they slow down".
Too bad CART is just about done, it was a great series.

Yeah, I've talked to them as well. I've talked to Juan Montoya and Christiano Da Matta in Long Beach a few times. F1 cars have even better brakes than Champ cars do. Ever see those carbon fiber disks glowing red under braking? Pretty cool. They get up to around 1000 degrees-this is normal operating temp.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: bR
CART has steel brakes... and as impressive as those are... F1 has carbon... I believe the braking distances of CART cars is halved just because of that. Thats too bad because increasing that distance is probably better from a fan's point of view because it provides a bigger window for overtaking... not like the F1 parades you see led by a red Ferrari.

Those carbon fiber brakes are f*cking insane, i was reading some article that f1 cars with those brakes do 60-0 in 55 feet or so. :Q

Not surprised. A stock Lotus Elise 111R will do it in 78 feet. Drop 500lbs, with carbon fiber disks, lots of downforce, and huge racing slicks, 55 feet is definitely doable. Remember, these things can hit more than 2g's decelerating.

 

[Howard]

The brake rotors in F1 cars are actually carbon-carbon composite, not carbon fiber (not really, anyway).

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: bR
CART has steel brakes... and as impressive as those are... F1 has carbon... I believe the braking distances of CART cars is halved just because of that. Thats too bad because increasing that distance is probably better from a fan's point of view because it provides a bigger window for overtaking... not like the F1 parades you see led by a red Ferrari.

Those carbon fiber brakes are f*cking insane, i was reading some article that f1 cars with those brakes do 60-0 in 55 feet or so. :Q

Not surprised. A stock Lotus Elise 111R will do it in 78 feet. Drop 500lbs, with carbon fiber disks, lots of downforce, and huge racing slicks, 55 feet is definitely doable. Remember, these things can hit more than 2g's decelerating.

As impressive as that may be for a stock car we can all purchase, you make it seem going from 78 to 55 much easier than it is.

How often can you drop 500lbs off a (already very tiny) car and still manage to fit in a V10?

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: bR
CART has steel brakes... and as impressive as those are... F1 has carbon... I believe the braking distances of CART cars is halved just because of that. Thats too bad because increasing that distance is probably better from a fan's point of view because it provides a bigger window for overtaking... not like the F1 parades you see led by a red Ferrari.

Those carbon fiber brakes are f*cking insane, i was reading some article that f1 cars with those brakes do 60-0 in 55 feet or so. :Q

Not surprised. A stock Lotus Elise 111R will do it in 78 feet. Drop 500lbs, with carbon fiber disks, lots of downforce, and huge racing slicks, 55 feet is definitely doable. Remember, these things can hit more than 2g's decelerating.

As impressive as that may be for a stock car we can all purchase, you make it seem going from 78 to 55 much easier than it is.

How often can you drop 500lbs off a (already very tiny) car and still manage to fit in a V10?

Oh, I'm not saying it's not impressive, I'm just saying that with those specs, I'm not very surprised it can do that.

BTW, Howard, you are right. Carbon, not carbon fiber. Brain fart.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: bR
CART has steel brakes... and as impressive as those are... F1 has carbon... I believe the braking distances of CART cars is halved just because of that. Thats too bad because increasing that distance is probably better from a fan's point of view because it provides a bigger window for overtaking... not like the F1 parades you see led by a red Ferrari.

Those carbon fiber brakes are f*cking insane, i was reading some article that f1 cars with those brakes do 60-0 in 55 feet or so. :Q

Not surprised. A stock Lotus Elise 111R will do it in 78 feet. Drop 500lbs, with carbon fiber disks, lots of downforce, and huge racing slicks, 55 feet is definitely doable. Remember, these things can hit more than 2g's decelerating.

As impressive as that may be for a stock car we can all purchase, you make it seem going from 78 to 55 much easier than it is.

How often can you drop 500lbs off a (already very tiny) car and still manage to fit in a V10?

What's your point?

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Marauder911

Originally posted by: bR
Like previously said... it depends on gearing.

Nothing can touch a top fuel/funny car in a drag race. I dont even when know why theyre being compared.

Neither do I. Top Fuel and Funny cars were built with similar purposes (hell, were nearly the same cars when they were first conceived X decades ago, one evolved from the other), but a F1/CART car has a completely different purpose.

In reguards to the bolded statement:

Nope. Not even close.

Funny Car was invented by Chrysler back in 1964. They took a Super Stock (not showroom stock) B-body and altered the wheelbase 1.5 inches back in the front and 2.5 inches in the rear. Combined with the injected Hemi drag engine, they were the first factory cars to dip into the 10's. When nitro was added they were the first into the 8s. Later Mopar altered the wheel base even more, nearly 10 inches. With huge amounts of the car now sitting over the rear axle they got traction like never before. People said the cars looked "funny". The NHRA said they were now illegal for use in Super Stock as they excceded the legal limit of altered wheelbase. Since they were now relegated to exhibition runs, and hence virtually no rules, the automakers went nuts. Bodies became lighter and lighter untill they were mere shells and the rest of the car went on a diet too. The Hemis were making huge power too. Ford tried it in 1966 with their AFX Comet. All of these Funny Cars were in AFX class (A class Factory Experimental). Eventually they would be put into there own class. While similar in many ways to Top Fuel Dragsters, they are still very different.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: bR
there is a proposal in the works for the next concorde agreement in F1... schedule for 2008. if that goes through... we will see some dractic changes...

Engines displacement is reduced to 2.4L... all driver aids are banned... cars will go back to h-gates... no more semi-automatic shifting (paddles)... are among the changes. Current cars over 900hp from 3.0L V10s and displacement change will probably drop them back to 600-700... so those F1 cars will now be slower in the 1/4 mile...

I seriously doubt that will adopted though. Don't all the teams have to agree to it in order for the rules to be enacted?

Looks like they dont have a choice now...

The FIA president said radical reforms like the end of traction control and semi-automatic gearboxes will happen whether the current teams like it or not.

From 1 January 2008, the current Concorde Agreement is no longer in force.
So the FIA can do whatever it wants,' said Mosley in Imola. 'People just have to decide whether they want to enter the 2008 championship.' :Q