how far away are we from (AM?)OLED computer monitors?

[Nvidiaguy07]

I bought a monitor recently, and wasn't impressed at all.

I am returning it, but when I look around for a new one, I feel like I'm probably just better off waiting, it seems like a really bad time to buy a monitor for gaming.

TN panels are OK, but none really have deep blacks, and companies are focused more on 3D now, which i dont really care about.

IPS displays are still kind of expensive, and arent great for gaming. Every one i looked up was lacking in one area of another.

Right now I have a 21" Acer TN panel, and I'm probably just gonna stick with it, as every other monitor is barely an upgrade. My Acer H213H looked way better than this that I just bought and returned for 290 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001392

I was going to give this a shot, but I doubt its gonna be any better than the last one I had http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001431

How far away are we from have OLED computer monitors? I have a SAMOLED screen on my captivate, and the blacks are almost indistinguishable from when the screen is off. If not what do I have to look forward to? Better IPS displays?

 

[Skurge]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/OLED-Monitors-17-inch-25-inch-Price-Cost,12220.html

I can't tell you why they look like CRT televisions though.

 

[taltamir]

you can buy an 11" OLED from sony right now... for 3000$. A variety of top end smartphones are available with oled already.
According to the article skurge posted:

The BVM-E250 is set for availability sometime in the middle of April, while the 17-inch BVM-E170 will be out in June. Of course, pricing is a bit scary (they are OLED panels, after all), and unless you’re in the fortunate position of being able to convince your boss you actually really, really do need one, it’s going to cost you ¥1.3 million ($15,710) for the 17-inch BVM-E170 or ¥2.4 million ($28,910) for the 25-inch BVM-E250.

So... normal sized OLED monitors for 30 thousand dollars is a lot though, I remember when plasma TVs were that expensive .

Rumor was Samsung is supposedly releasing a 42" oled TV at a semi reasonable price "soon". Or so they have been saying for a year now.

If you can't stand TN panels don't buy TN panels... there are higher quality LCD panel types for more money (~400 to 800$), and if you are willing to really splurge you can get a small plasma TV to use as a monitor. Plasma TVs are a direct evolution of the CRT. Because they suffer from burn in (mitigatable) they have not been targeted at PC users as monitors and as such are limited to higher sizes for use as TVs.

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

you can buy an 11" OLED from sony right now... for 3000$. A variety of top end smartphones are available with oled already.
Samsung is supposedly releasing a 42" oled TV at a semi reasonable price (eg ~3000$) "soon".

Maybe i should re-phrase the question: When will they make OLED (or AMOLED - whats the difference?) computer screens that are 21-27 inches for a reasonable price? ($500-$1000)

 

[taltamir]

Maybe i should re-phrase the question: When will they make OLED (or AMOLED - whats the difference?) computer screens that are 21-27 inches for a reasonable price? ($500-$1000)

If a 30,000$ 25" OLED comes out in a month, then my guess is 5 to 10 years. (closer to 5)... although there is a new and promising technology called quantum dot display which, if everything goes as planned (supposedly can use most of existing LCD stuff with only tiny modification and is cheap), will allow you do get better than OLED display within that price within 2 years... In theory, it could easily end up as vaporware or taking several decades. The fact we don't have a product already makes the above claims (made by lead developers of the tech) seem ridiculous.

As for the difference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active-Matrix_OLED

Also see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_dot_display

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

If you can't stand TN panels don't buy TN panels... there are higher quality LCD panel types for more money (~400 to 800$), and if you are willing to really splurge you can get a small plasma TV to use as a monitor. Plasma TVs are a direct evolution of the CRT. Because they suffer from burn in (mitigatable) they have not been targeted at PC users as monitors and as such are limited to higher sizes for use as TVs.

I like how my current TN panel looks, but I feel like its hit or miss with others, and its tough to tell in a store how you like the picture (or online).

The new one i bought looked washed out, and too cool. The contrast ratio didn't look as good as my current TN. I tried changing almost every setting, but nothing helped. My current LCD looks warmer and more clear. I can look at it all day. The only problem with it is its too small. For a TN, its not bad, and if i were to spend money, i would want a definite upgrade in quality and size.

When you say there are better technologies, are you just referring to Plasma? Would something like this be suitable to use as a monitor? http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-L.../dp/B00391Z83G I've noticed a difference in 1080p tvs vs 1080p monitors, and the monitors always look better. Plus i think 32" might be too big for me. Maybe if it were a higher res. I think currently 27" is as big as i can go on a 1080p screen.

I would be willing to spend a lot right now (up to 800) but i dont know which technology is worth upgrading to. Are there any IPS displays good enough to game on?

 

[taltamir]

1. Buy somewhere with good return policy.
2. I said better LCD technologies so that excludes plasma. A quick google found this page which explains the various techs http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php

 

[Skurge]

I like how my current TN panel looks, but I feel like its hit or miss with others, and its tough to tell in a store how you like the picture (or online).

The new one i bought looked washed out, and too cool. The contrast ratio didn't look as good as my current TN. I tried changing almost every setting, but nothing helped. My current LCD looks warmer and more clear. I can look at it all day. The only problem with it is its too small. For a TN, its not bad, and if i were to spend money, i would want a definite upgrade in quality and size.

When you say there are better technologies, are you just referring to Plasma? Would something like this be suitable to use as a monitor? http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-L.../dp/B00391Z83G I've noticed a difference in 1080p tvs vs 1080p monitors, and the monitors always look better. Plus i think 32" might be too big for me. Maybe if it were a higher res. I think currently 27" is as big as i can go on a 1080p screen.

I would be willing to spend a lot right now (up to 800) but i dont know which technology is worth upgrading to. Are there any IPS displays good enough to game on?

As Far as I know, Grooveriding and MRK6 have IPS panels, they are both 30" though. They can tell you how good they are for gaming.

If you want an 27" IPS, there's the Dell U2711H.

 

[HeXen]

current monitors are fine for gaming, you must be awefully picky. sucks to be you then.

 

[taltamir]

to be fair he says his current monitor is fine but many are "hit and miss", this is absolutely true. Some companies put out total turds.

But you know, that is not an issue of monitor technology. the OP's current monitor is a TN and is satisfactory to him. I think he needs to look up some reviews, and just buy those from costco or amazon or walmart and take advantage of their excellent return policies (no questions asked, if you are unsatisfied you get money back including how much you paid for shipping). With costco you got 90 days, order it online from them and return it to any physical location. if you are not a club member amazon and walmart will do.

Now, don't go using it as a rental plan... but to protect yourself against scummy companies putting crap on the market.

 

[Skurge]

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6

This is a good place to check out.

 

[epidemis]

I bought a monitor recently, and wasn't impressed at all.
How far away are we from have OLED computer monitors? I have a SAMOLED screen on my captivate, and the blacks are almost indistinguishable from when the screen is off. If not what do I have to look forward to? Better IPS displays?

LG will release a 31" screen later in 2011, though expect it to cost 7,5k$

If you can't wait, I'd recommend the Apple Cinema screen! They are probably some of the best available.

 

[Arkadrel]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/OLED-Monitors-17-inch-25-inch-Price-Cost,12220.html

I can't tell you why they look like CRT televisions though.

The BVM-E250 is set for availability sometime in the middle of April, while the 17-inch BVM-E170 will be out in June. Of course, pricing is a bit scary (they are OLED panels, after all), and unless you’re in the fortunate position of being able to convince your boss you actually really, really do need one, it’s going to cost you ¥1.3 million ($15,710) for the 17-inch BVM-E170 or ¥2.4 million ($28,910) for the 25-inch BVM-E25

really? 17" all for the cheap cheap price of ONLY 15,710$!?

wtf.... new tech is expensive lmao... even if you can/could buy it now... might want to wait until its somewhat cheaper lol.

 

[taltamir]

To be honest, if I was a millionere I would buy the 25" model for 30k... I wouldn't spend that much on car... but for a monitor, the thing you (or rather I) spend most of the hours of the day damaging my eyes against, that I would spend it on.

 

[RavenSEAL]

To resume what everyone else here already posted, not any time soon. Unless you got 30K.

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

really? 17" all for the cheap cheap price of ONLY 15,710$!?

wtf.... new tech is expensive lmao... even if you can/could buy it now... might want to wait until its somewhat cheaper lol.

think how much that price is going to depreciate too. You probably wont be able to sell that for 100 bucks in 10 years

 

[taltamir]

isn't that the truth nvidiaguy07. :')
Anyways, you don't have to go for 30k... you can always go with a 3k 11 incher. Maybe 2 or 3 of them in eyefinity

 

[endlessmike133]

current monitors are fine for gaming, you must be awefully picky. sucks to be you then.

They're fine.

But OLED screens are pretty much the perfect monitor for gaming (and everything else to a lesser extent).

OLED screens will be the norm for pretty much all monitors and TVs in the future.

 

[wuliheron]

OLEDs are simply too expensive to be competitive for large screens and no one has found a way to reduce their price. However, Samsung has a new process for quantum dot monitors that should reduce production costs significantly and these are superior to OLEDs in every respect. Nonetheless it will be at least five years before factories can be built to start producing large monitors.

 

[aigomorla]

Dude here your wanting a OLED, and im still wishing for a 30inch S-IPS.

Yeah i know there out, but there price makes me want to wish for them.

 

[taltamir]

OLEDs are simply too expensive to be competitive for large screens and no one has found a way to reduce their price. However, Samsung has a new process for quantum dot monitors that should reduce production costs significantly and these are superior to OLEDs in every respect. Nonetheless it will be at least five years before factories can be built to start producing large monitors.

One of OLED's major advantages is that it has the potential to be much cheaper to produce compared to LCDs once volume is ramped up. The reason it is so expensive right now is mostly early adopter tax & early product costs needing recoupment. QD does have the potential to be even cheaper though.

 

[endlessmike133]

OLEDs are simply too expensive to be competitive for large screens and no one has found a way to reduce their price. However, Samsung has a new process for quantum dot monitors that should reduce production costs significantly and these are superior to OLEDs in every respect. Nonetheless it will be at least five years before factories can be built to start producing large monitors.

Like taltamir said OLED is going to be much cheaper to produce than LCDs.

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

so, any prediction on when either Quantum dot or OLED monitors will be somewhat mainstream? (21"-27" for $500-$1000) 5 years?

 

[endlessmike133]

so, any prediction on when either Quantum dot or OLED monitors will be somewhat mainstream? (21"-27" for $500-$1000) 5 years?

With all these mobile devices using OLEDs now it honestly shouldn't take too long..

 

[Soccerman06]

Dude here your wanting a OLED, and im still wishing for a 30inch S-IPS.

Yeah i know there out, but there price makes me want to wish for them.

You have burnt through how many cpus and cant splurge on a monitor once, hell they can be had for like $1k now?