How exactly do you forget a 2yr old in the car?

[JTsyo]

Zipporah was the wife of Moses.

Didn't Jesus's parents forget him at the temple?

I would think that the child was sleeping and there were multiple people in the car. What is surprising is that they didn't realize within a few minutes that there was a child missing.

 

[PokerGuy]

Dumb argument. If I'm messing with my radio and plow through a crosswalk killing some kid, I will feel absolutely tormented the rest of my life and I would be highly unlikely to do anything like that again. Should I also not be punished?

Read the link Linflas provided. Your example is one of doing something you should not have been doing to begin with. Your job behind the wheel is to operate the vehicle safely, not messing with your radio. That would fall under negligence. If you read the article you'd understand that it's often something that someone can not help. They are not trying to do something bad, they are otherwise wonderful loving parents, and this is a simple brain quirk that can happen to ANYONE --- though everyone seems to think "not to me!".

 

[waggy]

I don't know the whole backstory, but this guy's life is already ruined. Why send him to prison? What good is that going to do?

Yes, it's a terrible thing, and he's going to have to live with it for the rest of his life. Is it really justice to send him to prison? Now, if he was willfully negligent and has a history of negligence, that's a completely different story. But if it was an honest mistake, my feeling is that he's already punishing himself worse than the state could ever dream.

glad he feels bad and his life is ruined. it should be. but that is just a start.

is it justice? no. justice would be leaving him in a locked car until he dies.

yes i know it happens. The story sandeagle posted is typical in stories like this.

But i just can't understand it. how the fuck can you forget them. it just blows my mind

 

[PokerGuy]

glad he feels bad and his life is ruined. it should be. but that is just a start.

is it justice? no. justice would be leaving him in a locked car until he dies.

yes i know it happens. The story sandeagle posted is typical in stories like this.

But i just can't understand it. how the f**k can you forget them. it just blows my mind

Read the article Linflas posted, it explains exactly how it can happen -- to anyone, including people like you who say "that could never happen to me, I'd never leave a kid in the car!". The fact is that yes, it could, given the right circumstances.

What you're looking for is harsh punishment for an act that was not intentional nor negligent.

 

[JTsyo]

Read the article Linflas posted, it explains exactly how it can happen -- to anyone, including people like you who say "that could never happen to me, I'd never leave a kid in the car!". The fact is that yes, it could, given the right circumstances.

What you're looking for is harsh punishment for an act that was not intentional nor negligent.

Also harsh punishment doesn't deter future kids being left in the car. No one thinks, "Better be sure to get little Timmy from the car, I don't want to go to jail." If you forgot, you forgot. For most parents, their kids' life if greater than going to jail.

 

[waggy]

Read the article Linflas posted, it explains exactly how it can happen -- to anyone, including people like you who say "that could never happen to me, I'd never leave a kid in the car!". The fact is that yes, it could, given the right circumstances.

What you're looking for is harsh punishment for an act that was not intentional nor negligent.

i never said it couldn't happen or that they do it to kill the child.. I just don't understand how anyone could do it. I find it amazing that anyone could EVER forget a child in the car.

 

[ShawnD1]

Read the article Linflas posted, it explains exactly how it can happen -- to anyone, including people like you who say "that could never happen to me, I'd never leave a kid in the car!".

bullshit.

Kids are an accessory, just like everything else.
-I have never lost my keys
-I have never lost my wallet
-I have never lost my cell phone
-I have never locked my keys in the car
-I have never forgot that there is milk in my trunk that needs to be refrigerated immediately
-I never forget to lock my doors
-I never forget that there is a fucking dog or child in my car that also needs to be refrigerated immediately and not left in the sun to die

Like seriously how do you fuck this up? Are the people accidentally locking kids and dogs in cars the same people who lose their keys every fucking day then forget their bank card number then forget how much they owe on their credit card then forget they have a wife and get married a second time in vegas then forget electricity is dangerous and accidentally kill themselves?

Have you ever had this problem with a fully grown adult? Like you get out of the car and don't realize that your friend never got out of the car?? If you had a friend visiting you and you went out to your garage to get something, would you ever in a million years forget that you had a friend inside your house? Would you go to the bank and Home Depot then think "hey wait a second, like 2 hours ago I had a friend in my kitchen and we were talking. What happened? Oh shit, did I just leave him inside my house while I drove to buy plumbing supplies? Man I'm so embarassed retarded'

 

[PokerGuy]

i never said it couldn't happen or that they do it to kill the child.. I just don't understand how anyone could do it. I find it amazing that anyone could EVER forget a child in the car.

Read the article. It's the result of how our brain has evolved over the long haul. It's hard to believe that anyone could ever forget their child, but the facts show that it does happen. It doesn't happen often (25 times per year in a country of 300 million is nothing), but when it does happen it's unimaginably tragic. I read the article Linflas linked, and I can not see how a parent would not be absolutely crushed forever if something like that happened. Punishing them further serves no purpose.

 

[waggy]

bullshit.

Kids are an accessory, just like everything else.
-I have never lost my keys
-I have never lost my wallet
-I have never lost my cell phone
-I have never locked my keys in the car
-I have never forgot that there is milk in my trunk that needs to be refrigerated immediately
-I never forget to lock my doors

Unless you are 12 then i call shens on all that. you cant compare a lost wallet or keys to a child. I have lost my keys, wallet etc.

I have read the articles. yes i understand it happens and why. I can't understand how people actually do it though. my kids are important. i could imagine how anyone could actually do it.

 

[PokerGuy]

bullsh*t.

Kids are an accessory, just like everything else.
-I have never lost my keys
-I have never lost my wallet
-I have never lost my cell phone
-I have never locked my keys in the car
-I have never forgot that there is milk in my trunk that needs to be refrigerated immediately
-I never forget to lock my doors

You forgot to say "YET". We are human, and we all forget things. Sometimes minor, sometimes major, but it's part of having a human brain. You might like to think you are above everyone else in the world, but you are not. The facts bear it out, this kind of thing has happened to all kinds of people in all parts of society. You seem very arrogant in thinking you could never make a mistake.

Like seriously how do you f**k this up? Are the people accidentally locking kids and dogs in cars the same people who lose their keys every f**king day then forget their bank card number then forget how much they owe on their credit card then forget they have a wife and get married a second time in vegas then forget electricity is dangerous and accidentally kill themselves?

Have you ever had this problem with a fully grown adult? Like you get out of the car and don't realize that your friend never got out of the car?? If you had a friend visiting you and you went out to your garage to get something, would you ever in a million years forget that you had a friend inside your house? Would you go to the bank and Home Depot then think "hey wait a second, like 2 hours ago I had a friend in my kitchen and we were talking. What happened? Oh shit, did I just leave him inside my house while I drove to buy plumbing supplies? Man I'm so embarassed retarded'

You need to read the article. Facts prove that you are simply wrong in your assessment. Revel in your ignorance if you like, but it's still ignorance.

 

[MJinZ]

I agree that there's absolutely no excuse for "forgetting" a child in a car like this. I have two of my own and can't imagine ever "forgetting" them anywhere. That's awful what happened to that kid (WTF kind of name is zipporah anyway?)

Still, clearly it happens regularly all around the country and the world, and not just to people you'd assume are stupid (druggies, abusive parents etc). That suggests there are times when people might be tired or their brain otherwise simply zones out and they forget something major like that. Usually it doesn't end in death or major injury, but sometimes it does.

If we're talking about an actual parent and not an otherwise negligent idiot or a psychopath, the pain of losing their child in such a way is going to do far more than any punishment could ever do. Harsh punishment in that case does not accomplish anything: it will not bring the child back, it will not serve as a deterrent for future incidents, and it will not be any more severe than what the parent already experiences.

A smoker.

 

[MJinZ]

Oh and you guys didn't even pick up on the true culprit right?

The Church...

If he wasn't going to get his brain cleaned, baby Zippo wouldn't have gone to heaven prematurely.

 

[MJinZ]

Critical reasoning

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Your head.

Seriously, though, if you represent the "average person" as far as intelligence goes, we are ALL FUCKED. I said if the NEGLIGENCE was chronic. There are many forms of negligence: kid goes to school in dirty clothes, parent sends bad lunches with kid, recurring lice on kid, etc. There are many ways to demonstrate that a parent is chronically negligent with their kid.

Shooting someone deliberately falls under the "willful" category. If the guy deliberately left his kid in the car, he should be prosecuted for first degree murder. If he was under the influence of any kind of substance, he should be prosecuted for negligent homicide. If he is otherwise a good and loving parent who fucked up once, sending him to prison is not the answer.

Now, for the love of god, learn how to reason and think critically.

Why not?

Everyone is a good and loving "XYZ", until they fuck up.

Our Justice system is punitive. That's just the way it is.

Though I would much prefer a court order of a vasectomy and a multi-thousand dollar fine that serves to return the person back to work in society and puts money in our collective coffers.

 

[MJinZ]

Also harsh punishment doesn't deter future kids being left in the car. No one thinks, "Better be sure to get little Timmy from the car, I don't want to go to jail." If you forgot, you forgot. For most parents, their kids' life if greater than going to jail.

Well, the idea of any non-lethal punishment is reform or deterrent.

*Some* people are not so noble enough to care about their children's lives enough for punishment to not make a difference, so the extra threat of jail-time may be necessary for the trashy parents that inevitably exist that serve themselves before all others.

 

[waggy]

Well, the idea of any non-lethal punishment is reform or deterrent.

*Some* people are not so noble enough to care about their children's lives enough for punishment to not make a difference, so the extra threat of jail-time may be necessary for the trashy parents that inevitably exist that serve themselves before all others.

sadly you are right. some people just don't care about the children.

i find it amazing but scary.

 

[dainthomas]

Read the link Linflas provided. Your example is one of doing something you should not have been doing to begin with. Your job behind the wheel is to operate the vehicle safely, not messing with your radio. That would fall under negligence. If you read the article you'd understand that it's often something that someone can not help. They are not trying to do something bad, they are otherwise wonderful loving parents, and this is a simple brain quirk that can happen to ANYONE --- though everyone seems to think "not to me!".

And your job raising a child is to not broil them inside a 150 degree automobile. People who change the radio in their car while driving are also by and large wonderful caring people who would never do anything to harm a child.

What you're looking for is harsh punishment for an act that was not intentional nor negligent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter#Involuntary_manslaughter

Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention.

In the United States, misdemeanour manslaughter is a lesser version of felony murder, and covers a person who causes the death of another while committing a misdemeanour – that is, a violation of law which doesn't rise to the level of a felony.

I'd say there are many circumstances where parents could be found at least criminally negligent. To assume that it is always accidental or non-negligent is very naive.

 

[BoberFett]

I changed it ... but either way... I think it must be some way not to deal with the hurt emotions we have that are caused by the childs death...

I was pretty sure it was some sort of Greek or Hebrew name.. but the name is the last thing that mattered

I'm not hurt by the death of someone I didn't know.

 

[MJinZ]

I'm not hurt by the death of someone I didn't know.

Ouch, might want to work on that empathy of yours.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh and you guys didn't even pick up on the true culprit right?

The Church...

If he wasn't going to get his brain cleaned, baby Zippo wouldn't have gone to heaven prematurely.

So when it happens at a Wal-mart the Ghost of Sam is to blame?

 

[BoberFett]

Ouch, might want to work on that empathy of yours.

No thanks.

Hundreds of thousands of people die every day on this planet. Do you stop to mourn every single one?

 

[MJinZ]

So when it happens at a Wal-mart the Ghost of Sam is to blame?

I blame China.

 

[MJinZ]

No thanks.

Hundreds of thousands of people die every day on this planet. Do you stop to mourn every single one?

Only the cute adorable children that make it to the nightly news.

 

[Double Trouble]

No thanks.

Hundreds of thousands of people die every day on this planet. Do you stop to mourn every single one?

Nobody is saying you should mourn every single one of them, but most humans have the ability to empathize with another human, to understand how painful something must be to someone else and how they would feel. (unless you are a psychopath of some sort)

 

[BoberFett]

Only the cute adorable children that make it to the nightly news.

Children aren't particularly cute or adorable. Most of them are insufferable brats raised by shitty parents who do things like leave them in hot cars.

Nobody is saying you should mourn every single one of them, but most humans have the ability to empathize with another human, to understand how painful something must be to someone else and how they would feel. (unless you are a psychopath of some sort)

If my daughter were to die tomorrow, I certainly wouldn't expect or even want empathy from the world at large. She's precious to me, but in the grand scheme of things just a statistic. Hollow sentiment from strangers is an insult, not a comfort.

 

[Double Trouble]

Children aren't particularly cute or adorable. Most of them are insufferable brats raised by shitty parents who do things like leave them in hot cars.

You're again assuming that only a "shitty parent" could do something like forgetting the kid in a car. Reality and facts prove otherwise.

If my daughter were to die tomorrow, I certainly wouldn't expect or even want empathy from the world at large. She's precious to me, but in the grand scheme of things just a statistic. Hollow sentiment from strangers is an insult, not a comfort.

Lets say an ATer has a child and the child dies from something like leukemia. I may not know the poster or his/her child, but I can certainly empathize and I would convey that empathy to the person. You seem to have a very cynical view of the world. You are certainly entitled to it, but I sure am glad most don't share that view or the world would be an even more f-ed up and cold place than it already is.