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How does the House and Senate reconcile bills?

Originally posted by: JEDI
Min wage hike to $7.25 approved

So the house and Senate negotiate on a bill to present to Pres Bush.

Since the Dems control both chambers, cant they just say we'll go with the House version and strip off ALL the tax cuts attached to the bill?
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they cannot do that because the Republicans would respond by withdrawing promised votes. The senate needs 60 votes to send it up to Bush for signing. Right now, I think they have 87 promised votes, but that is only on a combined Tax/Wage bill. If the Tax portion is stripped by the Senate as well, then the majority of the republicans would vote against it in protest.

In other words, the House's stripping out of the Tax portion was entirely for show. If the Senate tries to do the same, the entire bill will fail.

Also, Bush has made it pretty clear that he will only sign a combined bill.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. Every time I think I have the legislative branch figured out, they throw me a curve-ball... so please let me know if the above summary is accurate.
 
P74,

Sounds about right to me.

To the OP,

When the bills coming out of the House & Senate differ they will have a joint conferences to resolve the differences. The joint conference is composed of members of both Senate & House.

The new bill, with comprimises, must again pass voting in both Senate & House. The members at the joint conference general have good idea what their side will pass or not.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bottom line, it's a sham.
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Minimum wage is a sham. :thumbsup:
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Without MW most workers would be lucky to make 50 cent an hour.
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Name one person who would work for 50 cents an hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless youre in high school right now odds are you make more than minimum wage right now. According to your logic most of america must make minimum wage now, since MOST would make 50 cents without it.
 
Originally posted by: bobdelt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bottom line, it's a sham.
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Minimum wage is a sham. :thumbsup:
Click to expand...

Without MW most workers would be lucky to make 50 cent an hour.
Click to expand...

Name one person who would work for 50 cents an hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless youre in high school right now odds are you make more than minimum wage right now. According to your logic most of america must make minimum wage now, since MOST would make 50 cents without it.
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Mexicans? 😕

Exactly what do the tax cuts and increases include?
 
Why .. REALLY PLEASE WHY.. why do we allow riders and pork and all that other ******.. why can't one bill just be one bill.. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I HATE POLITICIANS .. seriously HATE THEM

 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bottom line, it's a sham.
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Minimum wage is a sham. :thumbsup:
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It's Pro Labor sham desguised as Dems caring about the lowest working class. It will put minorities and young people out of some jobs entirely and raise the price of everything they (those minimum wage laborors) touch.
 
Of course they can strip out the taxcuts in the conference. And then if the GOP Senators want to vote against that version, they are more than welcome to. It worked out great for them last year 😀
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bottom line, it's a sham.
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Minimum wage is a sham. :thumbsup:
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Without MW most workers would be lucky to make 50 cent an hour.
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Why not up the minimum wage to $20/hour?
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Because that would be inflationary. Raising the minimum wage to a normal level, historically, makes perfect sense and will cause little to no inflation.
 
So, this is like $7.25/hr everywhere in America?

How does that account for cost of living in different areas? Los Angeles vs anywhere in Oregon?

How does it take into account the actual value of an employee in certain areas


 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: JEDI
Min wage hike to $7.25 approved

So the house and Senate negotiate on a bill to present to Pres Bush.

Since the Dems control both chambers, cant they just say we'll go with the House version and strip off ALL the tax cuts attached to the bill?
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they cannot do that because the Republicans would respond by withdrawing promised votes. The senate needs 60 votes to send it up to Bush for signing. Right now, I think they have 87 promised votes, but that is only on a combined Tax/Wage bill. If the Tax portion is stripped by the Senate as well, then the majority of the republicans would vote against it in protest.

In other words, the House's stripping out of the Tax portion was entirely for show. If the Senate tries to do the same, the entire bill will fail.

Also, Bush has made it pretty clear that he will only sign a combined bill.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. Every time I think I have the legislative branch figured out, they throw me a curve-ball... so please let me know if the above summary is accurate.
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I'm not completely sure they need 60 votes it they remove the tax portion. I know they need super majorities for tax proposals, but I'm not sure if that would extend to a bill that only raises the minimum wage. That said, I suspect Bush will finally veto something if he gets a bill with only the minimum wage increase since he doesn't really believe in it.

Either way, they'll need to work out some sort of compromise that both chambers can pass and that they believe Bush will sign. They do it all the time, so I'm not sure it will be a huge problem.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
So, this is like $7.25/hr everywhere in America?

How does that account for cost of living in different areas? Los Angeles vs anywhere in Oregon?

How does it take into account the actual value of an employee in certain areas
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Well, many states have their own minimum wage laws, and those wages are higher than the federal ones. This just sets a floor, you can always pay more.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bottom line, it's a sham.
Click to expand...
Minimum wage is a sham. :thumbsup:
Click to expand...

Without MW most workers would be lucky to make 50 cent an hour.
Click to expand...

and outsourcing to China would be reduced, the precious trade balance would be restored due to manufacturing jobs coming into the US and sweatshops would be here rather than in china where we do not have to look at them, and walmart would post record profits because of shipping savings, is it really worth it to eliminate minimum wage?
 
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: dahunan
So, this is like $7.25/hr everywhere in America?

How does that account for cost of living in different areas? Los Angeles vs anywhere in Oregon?

How does it take into account the actual value of an employee in certain areas
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Well, many states have their own minimum wage laws, and those wages are higher than the federal ones. This just sets a floor, you can always pay more.
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Thank you

It is amazing how low some wages are in America
http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm
Kansas at 2.65
Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, North Carolina at no MW law *holdover from slavery days?
 
Originally posted by: bobdelt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bottom line, it's a sham.
Click to expand...
Minimum wage is a sham. :thumbsup:
Click to expand...

Without MW most workers would be lucky to make 50 cent an hour.
Click to expand...

Name one person who would work for 50 cents an hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless youre in high school right now odds are you make more than minimum wage right now. According to your logic most of america must make minimum wage now, since MOST would make 50 cents without it.
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Anyone would work for .50 per hour, if the ONLY jobs available paid .50 per hour. Income level isn't important if considered independently of costs.

Actually about 21% of the nation makes roughly minimum wage (hard to compute exactly since MW varies from state to state) or works part time only so that their income is the same as minimum wage. Furthermore you have to consider that a couple dollars over minimum (say up to $9/hr) makes up another 13% for one third of the nation total, is more or less the same thing. Removing the MW probably wouldn't have much affect on those jobs that make over $15-20 per hour, but those jobs are well less than half the jobs in the country (about 40% to be exact) - and you can bet an even larger percentage don't start out that high. It's important to remember that since most people will change jobs multiple times now, so they'll experience lower starting wages.

While I don't completely agree with having a MW the alternative is dangerous - especially in a service industry job market in a global economy.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
So, this is like $7.25/hr everywhere in America?

How does that account for cost of living in different areas? Los Angeles vs anywhere in Oregon?

How does it take into account the actual value of an employee in certain areas
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Doesn't take value into consideration at all, that's up to the individual businesses. The states can adjust minimum wage for CoL, though they seldom do it well. After that the market has to adjust on its own.

Edit: My own pet peeve is riders on a bill. A bill should address exactly one thing only. The process of compromise is great, but needs to be done outside of the text of the law itself.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: dahunan
So, this is like $7.25/hr everywhere in America?

How does that account for cost of living in different areas? Los Angeles vs anywhere in Oregon?

How does it take into account the actual value of an employee in certain areas
Click to expand...
Well, many states have their own minimum wage laws, and those wages are higher than the federal ones. This just sets a floor, you can always pay more.
Click to expand...


Thank you

It is amazing how low some wages are in America
http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm
Kansas at 2.65
Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, North Carolina at no MW law *holdover from slavery days?
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Not really, those states just have some of the lowest living expenses in the nation.
 
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