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Fenixgoon

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the one thing i don't get is kids who bring their laptops to class and just dick around. why bother coming in the first place?

i just have my notebook and write down anything that sounds important.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
the one thing i don't get is kids who bring their laptops to class and just dick around. why bother coming in the first place?

i just have my notebook and write down anything that sounds important.

Half paying attention while dicking around is better than not being there at all.
 

CRXican

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As has been stated. Go to class and take good notes. The more notes from class you have to study the less time you'll spend outside of class reading/trying to re-learn everything. You'll find some professors hardly have you utilize the textbook you just spent $100 on.

I was "only" a journalism major but even during my GEs, that whole "Study for 2-3 hours for every hour of class" suggestion was utter BS. I kept up with the reading as assigned and would review my notes before a test. I doubt I spent more than 2 hours a night for all my classes combined.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Crusty
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if you need to study in college, you don't belong there.

except engineering and math/physics, where you might have to study a little bit.

Your username fits this post. Incidentally I know a guy named mike who's close to flunking out with that strategy...

i haven't cracked a book outside class in two years, and have a comfortable 3.5 gpa.


you must have been one of the ones that didn't belong, i take it?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

What are you studying? Art History or something?

economics and math, although i quit the math major about 1/3 of the way between the minor and the major, because the profs were terrible, and finishing it wasn't really going to get me much further along since it was only a supplement to the economics in the first place.
 

tmc

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my advice would be just be regular with your homework and reading. don't procrastinate. you will be fine.
 
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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Deeko
Don't worry about it - grades don't matter.

Wrong.

Grades aren't everything, that's for sure, but to say they don't matter is silly - how do you know what this guy wants out of college?

The fact that you would even say this tells me you're not as intelligent as you think you are.

Wow, an insult and no argument - a double whammy.

Ah dude sorry, I quoted the wrong post. That was meant to be in response to

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if you need to study in college, you don't belong there.

except engineering and math/physics, where you might have to study a little bit.

I was very tired while posting that :p
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
the one thing i don't get is kids who bring their laptops to class and just dick around. why bother coming in the first place?

i just have my notebook and write down anything that sounds important.

Half paying attention while dicking around is better than not being there at all.

why bother going if you're just going to watch james bond?

a kid in my econ class was doing that (granted it's econ, but the point still stands)
 
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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Deeko
Don't worry about it - grades don't matter.

Wrong.

Grades aren't everything, that's for sure, but to say they don't matter is silly - how do you know what this guy wants out of college?

The fact that you would even say this tells me you're not as intelligent as you think you are.

what the hell are you talking about?

he's absolutely right. It's going to be a hell of a lot harder getting interviews if you have a 2.0 GPA vs a 3 or 3.5. it doesn't mean everything but it sure makes things alot easier. you could at least back up your personal attack with a reason instead of trolling.

I wasn't trolling I misquoted :( Sorry.
 

trigun500

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Coming from someone who just graduated from college here is my advice:

1) Grades do matter. They will make is so you can get into graduate school and employers do look at them and take them seriously.

2) Start off strong. This is your freshmen year. You will be taking a lot of bullshit classes but they are easy; get the A's now because it's not going to get any easier. You will thank yourself when you get a C or B- in a class during your senior year when you have nearly 2 semesters of A's.

3) Don't get caught up in the party scene. You will fail classes by drinking a lot period. You're not paying thousands of dollars to just drink. You will have PLENTY of time to do it afterwards college.

4) Workout...really, it helps. Go for a run or lift the stress right off.

5) At first you're going to feel like all you're doing is school but once you get used to the system you'll find that you don't need to study nearly as much as you used to.

6) Week one will be overwhelming but you'll get a routine.

I could go on but people will end up flaming me.



 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
the one thing i don't get is kids who bring their laptops to class and just dick around. why bother coming in the first place?

i just have my notebook and write down anything that sounds important.

Half paying attention while dicking around is better than not being there at all.

why bother going if you're just going to watch james bond?

a kid in my econ class was doing that (granted it's econ, but the point still stands)

What I bolded. Also, some classes have attendance policies. Which in my opinion are the dumbest thing a professor can do.
 

looker001

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Originally posted by: trigun500
Coming from someone who just graduated from college here is my advice:

1) Grades do matter. They will make is so you can get into graduate school and employers do look at them and take them seriously.

2) Start off strong. This is your freshmen year. You will be taking a lot of bullshit classes but they are easy; get the A's now because it's not going to get any easier. You will thank yourself when you get a C or B- in a class during your senior year when you have nearly 2 semesters of A's.

3) Don't get caught up in the party scene. You will fail classes by drinking a lot period. You're not paying thousands of dollars to just drink. You will have PLENTY of time to do it afterwards college.

4) Workout...really, it helps. Go for a run or lift the stress right off.

5) At first you're going to feel like all you're doing is school but once you get used to the system you'll find that you don't need to study nearly as much as you used to.

6) Week one will be overwhelming but you'll get a routine.

I could go on but people will end up flaming me.
Grades matter only if you go in to grade school or you engineering student. Most employers don't care what grades you got.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: trigun500
Coming from someone who just graduated from college here is my advice:

1) Grades do matter. They will make is so you can get into graduate school and employers do look at them and take them seriously.

2) Start off strong. This is your freshmen year. You will be taking a lot of bullshit classes but they are easy; get the A's now because it's not going to get any easier. You will thank yourself when you get a C or B- in a class during your senior year when you have nearly 2 semesters of A's.

3) Don't get caught up in the party scene. You will fail classes by drinking a lot period. You're not paying thousands of dollars to just drink. You will have PLENTY of time to do it afterwards college.

4) Workout...really, it helps. Go for a run or lift the stress right off.

5) At first you're going to feel like all you're doing is school but once you get used to the system you'll find that you don't need to study nearly as much as you used to.

6) Week one will be overwhelming but you'll get a routine.

I could go on but people will end up flaming me.

1) Most employers don't look or don't care.
2) I found classes got easier towards the end
3) I drank a lot. I didn't fail classes. You grow as much socially as you do academically in college. You NEED to go out, have fun, and meet people. College is far, far better than the real world for this.
4) Working out is good
5) I thought there was a lot more studying in college than high school, and I didn't study much in college
6) I didn't find it overwhelming at all.

Fun times!
 

Cheesetogo

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Originally posted by: LW07
Should i take a laptop into class?

Have you already purchased a laptop? If you haven't, I highly recommend a Tablet. I take it to every class that I need to take notes in, and it's been extremely helpful.

Reasons:

1) Digital Content - Much more organized than paper notes, no worries of anything being lost or misplaced. Just make sure you backup the data and you're good.

2) Print-outs - Many classes post PDF files of the class notes. It's very nice to be able to take these and write directly on them in a digital form. No printing required, and again, more organizable.

3) Can much more easily fix mistakes or change the format of your notes. If you need to add something in, you don't need to try to cram it into the corner of your paper or put it on a separate page.

4) Keyboard when you need it - For classes such as history where diagrams and such are not needed, a keyboard can be very nice to have. It's far faster to type than it is to write.

As far as it being a distraction - if you really can't control yourself, I would suggest not connecting to the wireless network and not installing any games or putting media onto the computer. I haven't had any issues with this, but judging by the other responses a lot of people do.
 
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Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan
Pen and paper along with textbook works wonders. Even though you can type quickly and handwritten notes can get messy, writing the notes out yourself helps you retain a bit of the information that you are taking down. That of course unless you're zombie note taking...

That might be true for many people but not all. Writting notes never helped me retain information. I am more visual person so that might be the reason. Either way, he will see many people in college taking notes on laptop.

The only class I ever see a handful of notebooks is my one class where they use powerpoint slides for the lecture. Every other class I've taken, people use a pen and a notebook.

Good luck in a math or science class taking notes on a laptop. How do you write that equation out again?

Sure, a laptop might work for you. It isn't a matter of "moving into the 21st century", it's a matter of doing what's best for your own ability to learn, and most people it involves removing the distraction of the computer and just using pen and paper.
 

trigun500

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: trigun500
Coming from someone who just graduated from college here is my advice:

1) Grades do matter. They will make is so you can get into graduate school and employers do look at them and take them seriously.

2) Start off strong. This is your freshmen year. You will be taking a lot of bullshit classes but they are easy; get the A's now because it's not going to get any easier. You will thank yourself when you get a C or B- in a class during your senior year when you have nearly 2 semesters of A's.

3) Don't get caught up in the party scene. You will fail classes by drinking a lot period. You're not paying thousands of dollars to just drink. You will have PLENTY of time to do it afterwards college.

4) Workout...really, it helps. Go for a run or lift the stress right off.

5) At first you're going to feel like all you're doing is school but once you get used to the system you'll find that you don't need to study nearly as much as you used to.

6) Week one will be overwhelming but you'll get a routine.

I could go on but people will end up flaming me.

1) Most employers don't look or don't care.
2) I found classes got easier towards the end
3) I drank a lot. I didn't fail classes. You grow as much socially as you do academically in college. You NEED to go out, have fun, and meet people. College is far, far better than the real world for this.
4) Working out is good
5) I thought there was a lot more studying in college than high school, and I didn't study much in college
6) I didn't find it overwhelming at all.

Fun times!

1) The employers that don't look at grades are not ones you want to be working with. imo
2) This depends more on your major and course load.
3) Just dont turn into a 2nd year freshmen. Yes i've seen it happen. it's the lawls.

And with the laptop issue: I've never seen laptops used in undergrad classes. Only in my graduate classes have I used/seen laptops in class.

I bet most undergrad profs won't allow laptops; prob a hit or miss.

I caution; Laptops are very easy to steal in dorms; desktops not so much.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan
Pen and paper along with textbook works wonders. Even though you can type quickly and handwritten notes can get messy, writing the notes out yourself helps you retain a bit of the information that you are taking down. That of course unless you're zombie note taking...

That might be true for many people but not all. Writting notes never helped me retain information. I am more visual person so that might be the reason. Either way, he will see many people in college taking notes on laptop.

The only class I ever see a handful of notebooks is my one class where they use powerpoint slides for the lecture. Every other class I've taken, people use a pen and a notebook.

Good luck in a math or science class taking notes on a laptop. How do you write that equation out again?

Sure, a laptop might work for you. It isn't a matter of "moving into the 21st century", it's a matter of doing what's best for your own ability to learn, and most people it involves removing the distraction of the computer and just using pen and paper.

I had professors that highly discouraged taking notes in class. They did all of their notes on powerpoint and specifically told you not to take notes, because that way you can pay better attention.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: trigun500
1) The employers that don't look at grades are not ones you want to be working with. imo
2) This depends more on your major and course load.
3) Just dont turn into a 2nd year freshmen. Yes i've seen it happen. it's the lawls.

Within a year of graduating I'd received offers from Lockheed Martin, Microsoft, and Amazon. Of those, Lockheed is the only that even asked for my GPA - but they didn't care. Are you saying none of those companies are worth working with?
 

L337Llama

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Like others have said, do your hw, go to classes, go to office hours if you need help, get in study groups, take notes. That carries you most of the way, but there are always classes that take extra or less work.

I'm in CS, and I basically disappear from social groups to do my projects.
 

PhaZe

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: trigun500
1) The employers that don't look at grades are not ones you want to be working with. imo
2) This depends more on your major and course load.
3) Just dont turn into a 2nd year freshmen. Yes i've seen it happen. it's the lawls.

Within a year of graduating I'd received offers from Lockheed Martin, Microsoft, and Amazon. Of those, Lockheed is the only that even asked for my GPA - but they didn't care. Are you saying none of those companies are worth working with?

When I was trying to intern for IBM or TI, I had to apply online but the intern requirements (at the time) were EE/CPE with 3.5 cumulative and up.

I had between 3.0 - 3.49 at the time so I didn't apply.

Most of the job postings at my university's career site have GPA minimums. I was looking at it right now. BP wants > 3.2, Haliburton wants > 3. NRG wants > 2.8

If they didn't care about your gpa you must have some good work experience or past internships I am assuming.

 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Deeko
Don't worry about it - grades don't matter.

Wrong.

Grades aren't everything, that's for sure, but to say they don't matter is silly - how do you know what this guy wants out of college?

Grades only matter if your post-college plans require it - generally, law school, med school, etc.

I graduated with a 2.87 - and I've done much better than most. Hell, only one company even asked me for my GPA - and they're the one I ended up working for!

Yeah, that's my point. I'm not saying you need grades to be successful, but there are certain things you might want post-graduation that you'll need good grades for. Graduate education is a good example. Also, some companies are pretty strict about grade screening - not that I agree with that necessarily.

While there are some companies that are - there are so many that aren't, it really isn't going to hurt you.

My point is it *can* matter - there are a host of companies that won't look at you without a decent GPA unless you've done something else extraordinary. If you want a job at one of them, it matters.
 

Deeko

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Yes - I went to Drexel, at Drexel you go 5 years for a BS, but the middle 3 years you do 6 months of class and 6 months of co-op, so I did have good experience when I graduated. And you're right about internships - they do tend to have GPA requirements, because they have no other way to judge you. I mentioned Lockheed above. Lockheed has a 3.4 or 3.5 minimum for internships - but not for full time jobs.

Actually, I probably should have mentioned that earlier - the best advice I could give is don't overly stress about grades, but get internships. They mean more than grades ever will.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Deeko
Don't worry about it - grades don't matter.

Wrong.

Grades aren't everything, that's for sure, but to say they don't matter is silly - how do you know what this guy wants out of college?

The fact that you would even say this tells me you're not as intelligent as you think you are.

Wow, an insult and no argument - a double whammy.

Ah dude sorry, I quoted the wrong post. That was meant to be in response to

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if you need to study in college, you don't belong there.

except engineering and math/physics, where you might have to study a little bit.

I was very tired while posting that :p

Ah ok - no worries.
 

PhaZe

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There you go. Your internship and experience is what helped you most. I am sure that was what stood out on your resume when your employer was looking at it.

Imagine a person with 2.87 or whatever you had with no exp... good luck heheh

 

clamum

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Week one will be overwelming? Ahahaha. How the fuck is that overwelming?