I'm surprised, that as a woman, you are so down with opressing others. It's only recently (in a relative sense) did women have any rights to do anything (ie, Vote, Jobs, Get paid as much as men, serve in military, etc...) Apparently you have no problem staying bare-foot and pregnant at home, serving up your abusive husband dinner every day, and teaching your kids to hate others for who they are. It seems to me you can't come up with any independent thought on your own.
You are totally afraid of homosexuals for some reason... like it's going to spread like a disease to your family. That is so blatantly ignorant.
The next time your husband smacks you around for not doing the dishes, be sure that you know in your heart you are letting him do this to preserve the value of marriage.
"Stay out of my business and I'll be happy to stay out of yours."
Yeah, right......the corks you fundies have in your asses are WMD.
Yeah, right......the corks you fundies have in your asses are WMD.
Michelle, I'd take what you were saying more seriously if it weren't seemingly based on greatly exaggerated (or even wrong) information.
In my mind, it's simply the "icky" factor. Once enough people aren't made to feel "icky", things will clear up.
In my mind, it's simply the "icky" factor. Once enough people aren't made to feel "icky", things will clear up.
Would everybody be in agreeance that same rights civil unions would be a good start. Work out the terminology later?
As soon as they make separate schools, water fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, buses, etc... for gays and straight people... I'll be all for it!
Remember, we tried the separate but equal thing... you see what happened with that?
What the heck? I'm oppressing others because I have an opinion and I'm expressing it? I'm so sick and tired of hearing the words, oppression, hate speech, intolerance, offensive, homophobe, racist, sexist, etc. when used in response to ANY opinion that does not coincide with the liberal left. I don't believe I'm in a position of superiority or authority over anyone that posts on this forum so I can't understand why you're telling me that I'm down with oppressing others. You know, I don't usually resort to name calling like I did above by using the word "idiot," but to be called a "moron" for posting on gay issues on a gay issue thread is absurd and immature.
Here's what you people seem to forget. There is nothing wrong with a parent teaching his/her children what they believe to be right and wrong. As a matter of fact, parents should be teaching their children these things. There is nothing wrong with children going to public schools to be educated. However, just like gays do not like straights expressing their distaste for homosexuality, heterosexual parents do not like adult homosexuals from gay right organizations coming into the public schools to inform their children that being gay is perfectly normal. "Educating" other people's children on a personal matter of sexual preference for members of the same sex, without parental consent, is not the best way to obtain acceptance and understanding. As a matter of fact, it does quite the opposite. There is nothing wrong with parents disagreeing with these educators and expressing their disagreement.
I know it's hard to believe that we are actually allowed to be free thinkers and e
Secondly, these gay right organizations are not going to be welcomed if they
Good thing we're not majority rule.
BTW, ever heard of the Fourteenth Amendment?
Ah, so, straights have the monopoly about how to educate children on social equality?
Michelle,
I am a Techie at heart but i am very offended that there are biggots out there that still want to opress people for who they are.. No matter who a person ends up loving who are you to tell them they can't have the same rights as you and your hubby?? If i remember right most gay couples last longer than straight ones do.. What is it about this topic that has your panties all up in a wad?? Is it the physical part or the MORAL part that has you all twisted.. What would you do if your child came to you at 18 and told you that he or she liked the same sex?? I know how my best frineds parants took it and for the first few weeks they were in shock but they got over it and remembered that he didn't change.. He was still the child they loved.. No more no less..
Will G.
I am a Techie at heart but i am very offended that there are biggots out there that still want to opress people for who they are.. No matter who a person ends up loving who are you to tell them they can't have the same rights as you and your hubby?? If i remember right most gay couples last longer than straight ones do.. What is it about this topic that has your panties all up in a wad?? Is it the physical part or the MORAL part that has you all twisted.. What would you do if your child came to you at 18 and told you that he or she liked the same sex?? I know how my best frineds parants took it and for the first few weeks they were in shock but they got over it and remembered that he didn't change.. He was still the child they loved.. No more no less..
Will G.
There is a MAJOR difference between EXPRESSING your opinion and LEGISLATING your opinion.
If you think that a vote to ban gay marriage is only an expression of your opinion , you are sadly mistaken.
How does gay marriage hurt me?
It hurts me because it undermines the nuclear family which is the bedrock of civil society.
It hurts me because it undermines the nuclear family which is the bedrock of civil society.
you mean like the civil society that thought it was ok to have slaves, forbid women to vote. it's 2004, wake up and smell the coffee you fossil
Slavery and the lack of voting rights for women were the result of the nuclear family???
It is in the best interest of children to have a mother and a father, not two mothers or two fathers.
im sorry, i mush have missed the part about him thinking it was ok to own slaves or to not allow women to vote. could you please provide an exact quote where Rip explicitly acknowledges support for slavery and not allowing women to vote?
you should be able to get a feel for the proper sociological context about the issues without a need for a dictionary. 11 states recently approved a ban on homosexual marriage, with many more thinking about putting it on their ballot for the next round of voting.
and if you want an OED definition, you can pay the membership fee to find out what their definition is, I sure as hell am not paying $300/yr.
and it figures that any sort of definition that goes against your argument is worthless, liberals are notorious for such shenanigans.
I think you missed my point. We were a civil society and many folks thought segregation was ok, or that interracial relationships were not good for the white man. People and attitudes change. After a few generations, the bigotry was bred out of them.
of course, I don't think many people will disagree with that. But, you don't get to choose who your parents are. Should single parents be forced to marry? they'd have to to fulfill your requirement of a "family"
I'm actually really tempted to hike over to the NYC Public Library and look it up in their OED tomorrow afternoon
the point I'm trying to make is that a dictionary.com definition doesn't reflect the historical roots of the word marriage, which did not mean one man and one woman originally... it was one man and as many women as he could club over the head. words change to reflect culture, not the other way around. if our culture eventually moved towards legalizing gay marriage, the definition would be revised to reflect that.
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm actually really tempted to hike over to the NYC Public Library and look it up in their OED tomorrow afternoon
the point I'm trying to make is that a dictionary.com definition doesn't reflect the historical roots of the word marriage, which did not mean one man and one woman originally... it was one man and as many women as he could club over the head. words change to reflect culture, not the other way around. if our culture eventually moved towards legalizing gay marriage, the definition would be revised to reflect that.
I think gay marriage is legal. There ar just a bunch of unconstitutional laws banning it.
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During Christmas time we used to 'Don our Gay apparel'. Now to say that we'd be expected to don a dress or something..
Words is words.. they do get to be accepted to mean what ever currently has been associated with them.
I used to think I was in a Gay mood... because I was with my favorite girl... now I'd have to be with a guy, I suppose to be in a Gay mood..
Words is words.. they do get to be accepted to mean what ever currently has been associated with them.
I used to think I was in a Gay mood... because I was with my favorite girl... now I'd have to be with a guy, I suppose to be in a Gay mood..
However much you disagree, being gay is natural, biological, and unchangeable. Using the "Occurring naturally and not because of disease, inoculation, or any experimental treatment." definition, I'd say that's quite normal.
I see absolutely no reason to deny the same rights and priviledges to gays if they have no choice in the matter.
(Definition slightly out of context)
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm actually really tempted to hike over to the NYC Public Library and look it up in their OED tomorrow afternoon
the point I'm trying to make is that a dictionary.com definition doesn't reflect the historical roots of the word marriage, which did not mean one man and one woman originally... it was one man and as many women as he could club over the head. words change to reflect culture, not the other way around. if our culture eventually moved towards legalizing gay marriage, the definition would be revised to reflect that.
Where exactly did you come up with marriage meaning however many women a guy can club over the head? that seems a bit primitive...like neanderthal type primitive. Only since humanity has become civilized did a concept like marriage come into being. The word marriage, in a civilized sense, has always ment one man and one woman. We can trace through the ages where one man and one woman have gone through a ceremony of [holy] matrimony, but never any such for homosexuals.
and i must disagree with you, the gay activists are trying to get the [legal] definition of marriage changed so that they are able to meet it, not the other way around. the problem is that the legal definition is the same as the one listed in dictionaries. if it wasnt this way, homosexuals would already have the ability to marry, wouldnt they?
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
Others
Marriage has always been defined as a union between a man and a woman. Only an idiot would assume otherwise. Probably most of the people that wrote the laws about marriage did not see a reason to have to state it in black and white because it was common knowledge.
All people in America have a right to get married. Any gay can find a partner of the opposite sex and get married. No one is stopping gay people from getting married.
Infinitum ad Absurbium.
All people in America have a right to get married. Any gay can find a partner of the opposite sex and get married. No one is stopping gay people from getting married.
Infinitum ad Absurbium.
And the Jewish religion?... religion doesn't start with the Catholic church. In fact the Catholic church only came to be after the Christiological debates. Read up on it. You'll see that they happened way way after Christianity and way way after Judaism. Learn it up boy! Your examples are hundreds (maybe thousands) of years after marriage was started.
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