How does gay marriage hurt you ?

[Infohawk]

Pootems, do you think this picture describes the situation accurately?

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: assemblage

Originally posted by: qarlandZ
Gay marriage hurt me because it gave the homophobes in Ohio and Florida an incentive to vote... thus re-electing MOFO Bush

Being against same sex marriages does not mean somone's a homophobe.

What does it mean? You think homosexuality is deviant, a virus that must be stopped. Does that not sound like a hate mongering sentiment?

I'm against queer marrage, and i'm not a homophobe. I'm not afraid of them, i just hate their sin.

thats the biggest cop-out / self-justification that I have ever heard. "I just hate their sin" ... yea :roll:

I can only assume that you are blinded by your pride. You cannot see the truth. You have abandoned the American Dream for one of pure Fascism.

You are not seeking the betterment of your country. You are not seeking the advancement of your ideals.

You seek success. You seek victory.

You have defined the enemy, and in that definition comes your freedom.

 

[drpootums]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Pootems, do you think this picture describes the situation accurately?

I dont think it describes anything. Do you think it describes the situation well? If so, please tell me how it does.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Pootems, do you think this picture describes the situation accurately?

I dont think it describes anything. Do you think it describes the situation well? If so, please tell me how it does.

I think it describes how a lot of people see gays. I guess you don't agree.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: drpootums
I understood it...ok, if you are driving on the left side of the road it may be ok for a while, but sooner or later you are going to crash and burn (go to hell).

Simply because you outlaw the marriage doesn't mean they won't stop commiting the "sin" itself.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: assemblage

Originally posted by: qarlandZ
Gay marriage hurt me because it gave the homophobes in Ohio and Florida an incentive to vote... thus re-electing MOFO Bush

Being against same sex marriages does not mean somone's a homophobe.

What does it mean? You think homosexuality is deviant, a virus that must be stopped. Does that not sound like a hate mongering sentiment?

I'm against queer marrage, and i'm not a homophobe. I'm not afraid of them, i just hate their sin.

And you call someone else's argument pathetic?

 

[Zzzt]

You know, I like to think of my marriage as something that is held highly and respected not just by me, but in society as a whole. Society views a man and a woman as a respectable relationship, and with that as a part of marriage's foundation, marriage is respected. Homosexuality is not viewed as a respectable relationship except by a small minority. Bringing marriage and homosexuality together won't raise the value of their relationship to the level of my marriage, but it might reduce the level of respect and credibility that the idea of marriage currently has. I know this isn't fair, but life isn't fair.

As far as civil unions go, let's ignore gay's and lesbians. What if I'm a single guy, and my buddy and I decide to buy a house together and live as bachelors. Shouldn't I have the right to write my buddy into my will without having to worry about it being overturned because he isn't genetically related?

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: cquark
Marriage is a legal contract, like any other. Banning same sex marriage violates the right of equal protection in legal contracts based on gender in the same way that banning interracial marriages violates equal protection based on race, so yes the 14th amendment is violated by banning same sex marriage.

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

that is the fourteenth amendment, please point out to me where it mentions anything about legal contracts. it mentions public DEBT, but nothing about contracts.

nice try, but do try again.

 

[awesomet]

Just a question...why are we debating gay marriage in a tech forum? Also why are some of you so defensive about it?

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: awesomet
Just a question...why are we debating gay marriage in a tech forum? Also why are some of you so defensive about it?

geez silly billy, didn't you know this was a gay tech forum ?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: awesomet
Just a question...why are we debating gay marriage in a tech forum? Also why are some of you so defensive about it?

even though I'm gay, I'm not really all that passionate about gay marriage. but the idea of middle america dictating who I can and can't marry really pisses me off. and it's also a solidarity / unified front issue 🙂

not so much about the gay marriage issue itself (my state has legalized civil unions), but stuff like the law that was passed in Virginia forbidding homosexuals to enter into legal contracts with eachother makes me sick.

 

[Alistar7]

How does gay marriage hurt you ?


Because they produce hordes of children they wont support and us taxpayers have to pick up the check.

It also causes acute pain in my right elbow, which is just not cool.....

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: polm

Originally posted by: ntdz
they don't hurt me. how does some inner city kid not having health insurance hurt you? It's the same thing.

what kind of analogy is that ?

I'm not voting to ban healthcare for inner city youth.

Error: Failed Logic 101. The inner city kid could get tuberculosis and spread it to other people...

 

[imported_Condor]

I hope they do get gay marriage. Why should Gays avoid the pain of divorce courts?

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: cquark
Marriage is a legal contract, like any other. Banning same sex marriage violates the right of equal protection in legal contracts based on gender in the same way that banning interracial marriages violates equal protection based on race, so yes the 14th amendment is violated by banning same sex marriage.

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

that is the fourteenth amendment, please point out to me where it mentions anything about legal contracts. it mentions public DEBT, but nothing about contracts.

nice try, but do try again.

It's right there in Section I, "equal protection of laws," which includes legal contracts. As long as the government permits legal contracts, it cannot discriminated based on gender or race in allowing them.

 

[MiStErBRoc]

in my opinion gay marriage is fine EXCEPT when there is a child involved... before i get flammed please hear me out lol im not saying because someone is gay that they cant love there child thats not true in alot of cases they love them more but being i know a few people who are gay and have kids in there relationship it made life for the kid abit hard being when children are young they dont understand things like that and they get bothered and picked on in school and outside for having different parents... i know life in general is hard but i just feel its kinda bad to make a child go threw that without even giving them the choice of it.... maybe im wrong maybe some people agree

 

[espressoman]

Originally posted by: cquark

It's right there in Section I, "equal protection of laws," which includes legal contracts. As long as the government permits legal contracts, it cannot discriminated based on gender or race in allowing them.

Good point. It was originally written to protect blacks after slavery from having states infringe upon their newly established freedom and citizenship. How come no one has gone to the Supreme Court with this saying that these recently passed state laws are unconstitutional?

 

[espressoman]

Originally posted by: MiStErBRoc
in my opinion gay marriage is fine EXCEPT when there is a child involved... before i get flammed please hear me out lol im not saying because someone is gay that they cant love there child thats not true in alot of cases they love them more but being i know a few people who are gay and have kids in there relationship it made life for the kid abit hard being when children are young they dont understand things like that and they get bothered and picked on in school and outside for having different parents... i know life in general is hard but i just feel its kinda bad to make a child go threw that without even giving them the choice of it.... maybe im wrong maybe some people agree

That logic is flawed. Kids pick on each other for everything, shoes you wear, "your mother is a whore", glasses, etc... If kids want to pick on each other, they will find something. Having gay parents isn't going to do anything to effect that... or even make it worse. Kids get picked on if they are interacial... heck, even inside race groups they pick on each other for being darker or lighter skinned. I think the biggest problem is that there is so many unwanted children in orphenages and such that if a gay couple could adopt a child and provide the child with the love and support he/she has not had all his/her life... that's a good thing.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: MiStErBRoc
in my opinion gay marriage is fine EXCEPT when there is a child involved... before i get flammed please hear me out lol im not saying because someone is gay that they cant love there child thats not true in alot of cases they love them more but being i know a few people who are gay and have kids in there relationship it made life for the kid abit hard being when children are young they dont understand things like that and they get bothered and picked on in school and outside for having different parents... i know life in general is hard but i just feel its kinda bad to make a child go threw that without even giving them the choice of it.... maybe im wrong maybe some people agree

oh come on, didn't you watch My Two Dads ?

A long time ago, Joey and Michael were seeing the same woman, Marcia Bradford. Soon, Maricia was pregnant with Nicole but died shortly after giving birth. Unable to determine who the father was, both Michael and Joey were appointed Nicole's legal guardians.

See ! The courts think that a child living with 2 same-sex parents is OK. Why cant you ?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: polm

Originally posted by: drpootums
keeping myself from sin? Didnt i just say that in Gods eye's i am without sin. I am forgiven, and trying to put my beliefs on these forums i dont see as a sin.

Sharing your beleifs is fine and good.

Forcing your beleifs via law is not fine nor good.

So then quit forcing your belief that I must accept gay marriage. It works both ways..... I'm really tired of hearing that it doesn't by those who'd like to slide by. It is not going to happen.

That is not a belief, that is a basic human right. You are denying homosexual couples to be united as one in the eyes of the law, for legal purposes. No one is asking your church to perform gay marriages.

 

[zaphod42]

How does gay marriage help you? Every gay person that I know could give two craps over this, it is the ones who hate the religious right that is pushing this issue. I would bet my left testicle that the ones who are pushing this the hardest aren't gay at all, just can't get a date.

 

[MiStErBRoc]

i never said it wasnt ok... i just said from my experience with the issue the few kids i know that were put in the situation had alot of problems due to it... and i also mentioned that yes kids do pick on eachother for anything but my issue is that it is adding to a kids problem... i know i was picked on when i was a kid in school like most people but it dont really bother you its kinda a give and get thing but when it comes to something like that another kid making fun of you tends to really hurt the kid being he cares about the 2 parents and gets the thought in his head that maybe he shouldnt cause there different.... like i said this is just what ive seen happen i never claimed thats how it should be or that i am correct in my thoughts so dont jump to conclusions please
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Originally posted by: MiStErBRoc
in my opinion gay marriage is fine EXCEPT when there is a child involved... before i get flammed please hear me out lol im not saying because someone is gay that they cant love there child thats not true in alot of cases they love them more but being i know a few people who are gay and have kids in there relationship it made life for the kid abit hard being when children are young they dont understand things like that and they get bothered and picked on in school and outside for having different parents... i know life in general is hard but i just feel its kinda bad to make a child go threw that without even giving them the choice of it.... maybe im wrong maybe some people agree
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oh come on, didn't you watch My Two Dads ?


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A long time ago, Joey and Michael were seeing the same woman, Marcia Bradford. Soon, Maricia was pregnant with Nicole but died shortly after giving birth. Unable to determine who the father was, both Michael and Joey were appointed Nicole's legal guardians.
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See ! The courts think that a child living with 2 same-sex parents is OK. Why cant you ?

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: zaphod42
How does gay marriage help you? Every gay person that I know could give two craps over this, it is the ones who hate the religious right that is pushing this issue. I would bet my left testicle that the ones who are pushing this the hardest aren't gay at all, just can't get a date.

I know a lot of gay couples who have been together for decades and who have gone to Canada, Massachusetts, Oregon, or wherever would get them married. They all cared.

 

[Stifko]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: zaphod42
How does gay marriage help you? Every gay person that I know could give two craps over this, it is the ones who hate the religious right that is pushing this issue. I would bet my left testicle that the ones who are pushing this the hardest aren't gay at all, just can't get a date.

I know a lot of gay couples who have been together for decades and who have gone to Canada, Massachusetts, Oregon, or wherever would get them married. They all cared.

I don't think that what he meant. He is talking about the overly moralistic religious right that have their panties in a bunch over this issue. Still doesn't make sense tho.

 

[ShellGuy]

To enable something to be a right it can't take from someone else.. If it does you would be infringing on the rights of others... This is the main reason that health Care can't be a right.. but there is no prob like this with gay marrage.... What is the harm if Gays can marry?? NONE....



Will G.